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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 2, 2018 14:44:24 GMT -5
Jessie needs to get up in his guards faces and tell them to give him the damn ball. Tell them he's working hard as heck to get open and you're not even looking at me. I should be your first look, now get me the damn ball! Period. Sorry for the damn word. But you get it! glidehoyas.blogspot.com/2012/05/big-roy-no-ball-again.html
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 2, 2018 14:51:13 GMT -5
To skip over the step-up in competition between one of the all-time weakest non-conference schedules and the Big East is ignoring the obvious. Jessie was playing nobodies for the first 12 games of the season, now he needs to compete with legit high major players. It is a big step up, one that we hoped he could make. Let's see what happens this weekend. The team had an entire week off, fatigue should not be a factor at least in the first half. Jessie needs to build consistency against good competition, it takes a ton of effort. I think he is still learning this and seems to shy away when the opponent brings the game to him. He needs to learn how to respond. In my opinion has nothing to do with what you wrote but everything to do with using a whole lot of energy and not having the skilled guards you need to have and to know how, when and where to get Jessie the ball. Bigs get frustrated and in foul trouble when this happens. They get too passive to go to their guards and demand they give him the ball when, where, how he wants it. Its a shame when a big has to get in his guards faces to demand the ball, but so be it!!! Do it Jessie. glidehoyas.blogspot.com/2012/05/give-big-roy-ball.html This happened to Roy too in college and pro's.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 2, 2018 14:52:18 GMT -5
Good thing the Hoyas had a week off for Jessie get some darn rest ..sighs. now get him the ball!!!
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 2, 2018 16:12:00 GMT -5
To skip over the step-up in competition between one of the all-time weakest non-conference schedules and the Big East is ignoring the obvious. Jessie was playing nobodies for the first 12 games of the season, now he needs to compete with legit high major players. It is a big step up, one that we hoped he could make. Let's see what happens this weekend. The team had an entire week off, fatigue should not be a factor at least in the first half. Jessie needs to build consistency against good competition, it takes a ton of effort. I think he is still learning this and seems to shy away when the opponent brings the game to him. He needs to learn how to respond. In my opinion has nothing to do with what you wrote but everything to do with using a whole lot of energy and not having the skilled guards you need to have and to know how, when and where to get Jessie the ball. Bigs get frustrated and in foul trouble when this happens. They get too passive to go to their guards and demand they give him the ball when, where, how he wants it. Its a shame when a big has to get in his guards faces to demand the ball, but so be it!!! Do it Jessie. glidehoyas.blogspot.com/2012/05/give-big-roy-ball.html This happened to Roy too in college and pro's. I agree Jessie needs to demand the ball but you can't ignore the competition aspect. Not solely in terms of Jessie's performance but also for the ease of the guards getting him the ball. Passing around a 5'6" guard is much easier then an athletic 6'2" guard. Also the passes need to be more on point when Jessie is posting up guys that have the ability to get around him to deny the ball, it was much easier when it was a 6'8" guys with limited athleticism and length. The effort required against High Major players is much different then Mid Majors. Jessie is working hard but he's definitely been worked hard all season. His guards need to work harder on their end to get him the ball in good positions.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 2, 2018 17:09:04 GMT -5
Love Pat's honesty vs. our previous administration's:
After the game, Ewing expressed disappointment in his center, saying, "Jessie didn't have anything for us tonight, so I made the change."
Go get'em, Jessie. It's February and Pat will bring winning in February back!
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Post by prhoya on Feb 2, 2018 17:15:50 GMT -5
In my opinion has nothing to do with what you wrote but everything to do with using a whole lot of energy and not having the skilled guards you need to have and to know how, when and where to get Jessie the ball. Bigs get frustrated and in foul trouble when this happens. They get too passive to go to their guards and demand they give him the ball when, where, how he wants it. Its a shame when a big has to get in his guards faces to demand the ball, but so be it!!! Do it Jessie. glidehoyas.blogspot.com/2012/05/give-big-roy-ball.html This happened to Roy too in college and pro's. I agree Jessie needs to demand the ball but you can't ignore the competition aspect. Not solely in terms of Jessie's performance but also for the ease of the guards getting him the ball. Passing around a 5'6" guard is much easier then an athletic 6'2" guard. Also the passes need to be more on point when Jessie is posting up guys that have the ability to get around him to deny the ball, it was much easier when it was a 6'8" guys with limited athleticism and length. The effort required against High Major players is much different then Mid Majors. Jessie is working hard but he's definitely been worked hard all season. His guards need to work harder on their end to get him the ball in good positions. We cannot ignore that Jessie played a ton early in the season. Without Mourning to back him up, Pat had the chance to give brief minutes to Walker and Sodom to spell Jessie versus the cupcakes, but he did not. When asked about it by the media and the potential effect it would have later in the season, Pat scoffed and said something like "these are 20 year olds." Another lesson learned by Pat to have in his repertoire next season. Let's see if he learns from it.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Feb 2, 2018 18:16:16 GMT -5
Jessie needs to get up in his guards faces and tell them to give him the damn ball. Tell them he's working hard as heck to get open and you're not even looking at me. I should be your first look, now get me the damn ball! Period. Sorry for the damn word. But you get it! glidehoyas.blogspot.com/2012/05/big-roy-no-ball-again.htmlYes, Glide, but is Jesse really working "hard as heck" to get the ball? I think the jury is somewhat out on that one.
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Post by bicentennial on Feb 2, 2018 20:20:03 GMT -5
I think Jesse is getting open, when he has been posted up and double teamed and does get the ball back out and reposts as the double team leaves, he never gets the ball back despite being open. I also wonder if no longer having a 7'3" player to go against every practice has decreased the arc on his shot which has dropped his field goal percentage.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 3, 2018 15:57:51 GMT -5
I agree Jessie needs to demand the ball but you can't ignore the competition aspect. Not solely in terms of Jessie's performance but also for the ease of the guards getting him the ball. Passing around a 5'6" guard is much easier then an athletic 6'2" guard. Also the passes need to be more on point when Jessie is posting up guys that have the ability to get around him to deny the ball, it was much easier when it was a 6'8" guys with limited athleticism and length. The effort required against High Major players is much different then Mid Majors. Jessie is working hard but he's definitely been worked hard all season. His guards need to work harder on their end to get him the ball in good positions. We cannot ignore that Jessie played a ton early in the season. Without Mourning to back him up, Pat had the chance to give brief minutes to Walker and Sodom to spell Jessie versus the cupcakes, but he did not. When asked about it by the media and the potential effect it would have later in the season, Pat scoffed and said something like "these are 20 year olds." Another lesson learned by Pat to have in his repertoire next season. Let's see if he learns from it. True, I just think Govan's problems are more related to playing better competition than being tired. Still, I agree with your overall point that Walker could have played more.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 3, 2018 17:55:20 GMT -5
Jessie needs to get up in his guards faces and tell them to give him the damn ball. Tell them he's working hard as heck to get open and you're not even looking at me. I should be your first look, now get me the damn ball! Period. Sorry for the damn word. But you get it! glidehoyas.blogspot.com/2012/05/big-roy-no-ball-again.htmlYes, Glide, but is Jesse really working "hard as heck" to get the ball? I think the jury is somewhat out on that one. Yes I've mentioned this pls go back and read. He's sealing man and getting off by Mulmore or Mulmore won't look at him. If you've some of my posts during games I've mentioned this everytime it hallened!!! I watch everything especially what the guards are doing and not doing! I don't know what other's are looking at or know what to look for bro.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 3, 2018 17:58:53 GMT -5
Pls watch Jessie closely and he runs the court takes him defend Dr er into the post works hard to seal his defender and not get the ball. Watch closely. Hopefully this doesn't happens tonight. Big men get frustrated when they work hard to get ooen and dont get the ball. Fouls come next. Jessie has to get in his guards faces and demand the ball if he's not getting it.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 5, 2018 11:59:13 GMT -5
Glad to see Jessie back to putting in a solid game again. Definitely helped that he was able to get away from the post a bit, he's at his best when he can utilize all of his tools in his offensive game; not just his back to the basket game.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 7, 2018 7:24:43 GMT -5
Love Pat's honesty vs. our previous administration's: After the game, Ewing expressed disappointment in his center, saying, "Jessie didn't have anything for us tonight, so I made the change."Go get'em, Jessie. It's February and Pat will bring winning in February back! hmmm
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 7, 2018 7:26:30 GMT -5
Glad to see Jessie back to putting in a solid game again. Definitely helped that he was able to get away from the post a bit, he's at his best when he can utilize all of his tools in his offensive game; not just his back to the basket game. Jessie put in a solid game because he told his guards to get him the darn ball!!! Understand this! Jessie is at his best when he comes down, seal his defender and gets the ball. Seldom is our guards first look into the post! He can utilize all his skills and he doesn't get the ball when and where he likes it!!!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 7, 2018 7:28:04 GMT -5
We cannot ignore that Jessie played a ton early in the season. Without Mourning to back him up, Pat had the chance to give brief minutes to Walker and Sodom to spell Jessie versus the cupcakes, but he did not. When asked about it by the media and the potential effect it would have later in the season, Pat scoffed and said something like "these are 20 year olds." Another lesson learned by Pat to have in his repertoire next season. Let's see if he learns from it. True, I just think Govan's problems are more related to playing better competition than being tired. Still, I agree with your overall point that Walker could have played more. Nope.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Feb 7, 2018 8:06:27 GMT -5
There has been some improvement in the guards’ ability to get Jesse the ball, but I think the biggest improvement has come from the other players. The passes from Pickett, Derrickson, and Johnson have been sharper and more purposeful. So yes the ball is getting to Jesse but biggest improvement is not necessarily from the guards but other players.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 7, 2018 10:54:04 GMT -5
There has been some improvement in the guards’ ability to get Jesse the ball, but I think the biggest improvement has come from the other players. The passes from Pickett, Derrickson, and Johnson have been sharper and more purposeful. So yes the ball is getting to Jesse but biggest improvement is not necessarily from the guards but other players. True, but we need this from our guards.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 7, 2018 12:07:20 GMT -5
There has been some improvement in the guards’ ability to get Jesse the ball, but I think the biggest improvement has come from the other players. The passes from Pickett, Derrickson, and Johnson have been sharper and more purposeful. So yes the ball is getting to Jesse but biggest improvement is not necessarily from the guards but other players. I think the clear improvement the last two games is from Govan getting better looks for layups/quicker shots, as opposed to consistently getting the post and drawing double teams. Govan just isn't the type of player who can be that effective getting double-teamed in the post, and our other players aren't good enough to really take advantage. Given how much Govan was getting the ball in the post, and the significant reduction in the last two games, I have to believe it's by design rather than simple coincidence.
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Post by hoyas315 on Feb 8, 2018 7:29:00 GMT -5
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 8, 2018 8:39:12 GMT -5
And just think if he got the ball more when and where he wants it? Hmmmm... From the Providence message board on Jessie: Yes, I do. But he has an off season and whole season to develop under the guidance of a coach who just happened to play a little bit as a center in his day. I would think that he'll only get better over the next year. Throw in a decent guard to get him the ball in the right spots, and he'll be that much better. Definitely be good enough to make $$$ somewhere after graduation Read more: friartownhoops.proboards.com/thread/8471/georgetown-game-thread?page=4#ixzz56WghBdi2
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