sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Jan 13, 2018 0:14:51 GMT -5
He'll never be quick enough, mobile enough, or agile enough to play outside the perimeter consistently. He is not a pure shooter. He is a good three point shooter but not anywhere near NBA quality, even for a big man. His percentage is high because he's relatively selective about his shots. If shooting is his only way in, he has no shot. Do you agree that Thomas Bryant as a college player and Jessie are very similar? By the way I don't think he has much of a shot but I didn't think Bryant did either until he transformed himself. Now he's getting some call ups and will at least have some sort of NBA career which he wouldn't have had strictly as a low post player. Thomas Bryant from Indiana? Bryant's pretty athletic with long arms. He looks like a guy who should be a small forward but only had a big man skill set. Govan is the opposite. I don't think Bryant is at all a good comparison for where Govan can go.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Jan 13, 2018 1:06:54 GMT -5
I think Jessie is a solid shooter for a big guy but his release isn't particularly quick and he gets looks against opponents with less mobile or smaller big men. That doesn't exist at the next level. He'll still get his shots on the break. But Jessie, to me, is the new version of a "tweener" in today's NBA. There aren't many old school big men. The ones there are are exceptional players and/or ridiculously gifted physically. Jessie isn't either of those (yet?). But he's shown great improvement and seems to be trying to add to all facets of what he already does well. I could see Jessie being sort of a Greg Monroe type player (with range but not yet on the same level as a passer). I think he'd be an asset to most teams if he could keep improving on all of things he's already improving. I think his trajectory, especially for a big guy, has been really impressive and he seems to be working his tail off. Couple those last two things with the skillset he already has and I think his future is up to him more than it is on the whether or not he'll get a solid shot question.
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Jan 13, 2018 1:44:10 GMT -5
You guys are acting like all these assists are coming from drive and dish. Ours assists come from dumping the ball down to Jessie and Marcus and in transition. We also get some when we pass the ball along the perimeter and guys take jump shots. In conference games we are 8th in assists, last in turnovers and last in FG %. We aren't getting easy shots from drive and dish or that wouldn't be the case. Stop using our season stats to try to prove your point. We played the worst OOC EVER. Of course our stats from those are going to be greatly inflated. We're 1st in assist percentage and FTA/FGA. That's in conference play so not inflated. We're supposed to be getting easy baskets, threes, and free throws. That's the whole point of the offense. We've shot an astonishing 140 free throws. That's first in the league and remember we're not getting fouled because we're ahead in games at the end to inflate that number. Jahvon Blair has the same FT numbers as Kelan Martin if you can believe that. Hes not doing that purely 1-on-1 (clearly). So yes we do actually pass and finish or get fouled. No we don't get gross stat assists for free throws but we do get points. It's actually probably our most effective way to score since nobody can hit a jump shot. Yeah, the turnaround in number of fouls committed/received and in the assist stats has been remarkable. If anything, I'd say that while the execution of it hasn't really been great, the scheme itself has been an absolute success. If Pat can slot the right guys into position, I think he's really onto something.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 13, 2018 8:43:38 GMT -5
Agree. Our offense is fun to watch again. We just need more talent at the guard position to make execution prettier.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 21, 2018 12:36:44 GMT -5
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 24, 2018 10:19:12 GMT -5
Jessie
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Post by gunny on Jan 25, 2018 0:13:09 GMT -5
After tonight's performance, does Jessie stay in the "Hoya Talk" NBA first round?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 27, 2018 23:03:23 GMT -5
Jessie is on a disappointment streak. Could have been a big win tonight if he brings even his B game.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 27, 2018 23:22:28 GMT -5
Teams are doubling him and keeping him away from the basket. You can see his frustration and forced shots. An NBA player would force his will.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Jan 28, 2018 0:14:20 GMT -5
Rough stretch for Jessie. He definitely has to find ways when he gets doubled that don't include forcing bad shots. He's not at the level that he can be successful doing that a lot of the time.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 31, 2018 14:47:05 GMT -5
Do you remember when FS1 was in the huddle and Coach Ewing was telling Jessie, "shoot your jump hook, they can't stop it!" He was right. Ewing at .50 seconds on this Youtube video about Kareem's skyhook
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Post by saxagael on Feb 2, 2018 12:35:42 GMT -5
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Post by BigmanU on Feb 2, 2018 13:07:51 GMT -5
Very honest write up. Good read, thanks
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Post by centercourt400s on Feb 2, 2018 13:23:59 GMT -5
I don't buy the conditioning argument. I think the more effective double-teams that BE teams can bring is the reason for the drop off.
Jesse has been reacting very slowly to the double teams... he gets the ball then waits, looks around, waits, waits, waits and then tries to make something happen. IMO a big part of the problem is his teammates not moving effectively once the double team is committed to. They need to have an idea of what is going to happen as soon as he is given the ball... waiting just gives time for the defense to more effectively cover Jesse and if his teammates aren't moving they aren't helping.
Quick decisions and quick decisive movement by teammates towards him, towards the hoop and towards open 3 pt spots would cure a lot of what ails Jesse.
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Post by dense on Feb 2, 2018 13:55:17 GMT -5
I don't buy the conditioning argument. I think the more effective double-teams that BE teams can bring is the reason for the drop off. Jesse has been reacting very slowly to the double teams... he gets the ball then waits, looks around, waits, waits, waits and then tries to make something happen. IMO a big part of the problem is his teammates not moving effectively once the double team is committed to. They need to have an idea of what is going to happen as soon as he is given the ball... waiting just gives time for the defense to more effectively cover Jesse and if his teammates aren't moving they aren't helping. Quick decisions and quick decisive movement by teammates towards him, towards the hoop and towards open 3 pt spots would cure a lot of what ails Jesse. Double teams dont stop you from rebounding both sides and thats what mainly tells me it is the amount of minutes. he has not played anything close to this much his first 2 years.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 2, 2018 14:16:39 GMT -5
I thought fatigue could be a factor although he's in better condition this season.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 2, 2018 14:21:36 GMT -5
I think people need to realize how hard Big Roy to establish position on the court but didn't get the ball when and where he was suppose too. He'd get in foul trouble because he spent all of his energy getting into position but didn't get the ball. I've seen this happen year in and out because we didn't have the guards with high basketball iq's to know when and where to give our bigs the ball. This is how big's start getting frustrated and then the fouls come. This would fatigue any big out. How many times how Jessie posted up and Mulmore look him off. Please watch closely during. Watch Jessie watch his guards and then post up and get looked off. Even when he comes up and set the screens he doesn't even get the ball! Not that Sodom is all that but he could give Jessie some rest. This was the plan. Ewing needs to be smarter with Govan especially when he's in foul trouble. Take him out on the defensive end and put him back in on offense, but this does no good when you don't have the guards to know when and where to get the ball to Jessie. You can throw the ball to the basket and let Jessie go and get it. You can throw a bounce or regular pass to Jessie's hand that's up as he seals his man. This is about timing knowing when and where and how to get the big fella the ball. You'd have to blame your point guard and your coach. Period.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 2, 2018 14:28:33 GMT -5
I don't buy the conditioning argument. I think the more effective double-teams that BE teams can bring is the reason for the drop off. Jesse has been reacting very slowly to the double teams... he gets the ball then waits, looks around, waits, waits, waits and then tries to make something happen. IMO a big part of the problem is his teammates not moving effectively once the double team is committed to. They need to have an idea of what is going to happen as soon as he is given the ball... waiting just gives time for the defense to more effectively cover Jesse and if his teammates aren't moving they aren't helping. Quick decisions and quick decisive movement by teammates towards him, towards the hoop and towards open 3 pt spots would cure a lot of what ails Jesse. Fatigue bro. Check out my post on the bottom see what you think. Thanks man. Depends on when and where and how he's getting ball. A lot of times he gets the ball out of position. Mulmore should know how to throw Jessie bounce passes or lobs into the paint as Jessie seals his defender. Watch what I tell you tomorrow. Watch when Jessie goes down and seals his man and doesn't get the ball. I counted so many times this happened in the past I was stunned at how many times Mulmore looked Jessie off. smh I get tired and frustrated I dont' have the guards to get the ball to me when and where I want it. Jessie needs to scream on his guards to get him the da__ ball.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 2, 2018 14:29:45 GMT -5
Very honest write up. Good read, thanks Blame your point guard and coach. Ask me why. I posted it below.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 2, 2018 14:34:34 GMT -5
To skip over the step-up in competition between one of the all-time weakest non-conference schedules and the Big East is ignoring the obvious.
Jessie was playing nobodies for the first 12 games of the season, now he needs to compete with legit high major players. It is a big step up, one that we hoped he could make. Let's see what happens this weekend. The team had an entire week off, fatigue should not be a factor at least in the first half.
Jessie needs to build consistency against good competition, it takes a ton of effort. I think he is still learning this and seems to shy away when the opponent brings the game to him. He needs to learn how to respond.
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