hoyalaw33
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Post by hoyalaw33 on Feb 8, 2018 11:57:23 GMT -5
I think Govan has to return and shore up some of the deficiencies in his game before turning pro. He won't see the NBA floor next year anyway so unsure if getting paid a couple hundred grand abroad tops a summer working with Ewing, being the premier big man in the BE, and a Georgetown degree. Hope he returns. I really like our team next year if he does.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 8, 2018 12:12:53 GMT -5
Next year very well could be the pinnacle of his career in terms of national recognition should he return. If he were to try to make a jump there is a high probability he ends up in the D league (or whatever it’s called) or ends up in Europe where we never hear from him again.
Should he stay and helps lead one one of the better frontlines in the country to the tourney...it’s a big story for him, Ewing and the program. Looking back, what we all wouldn’t do to have one more back in college.
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justsaying
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Post by justsaying on Feb 8, 2018 13:03:20 GMT -5
I agree with you in that his maximum value to the NBA will come with one more year with Coach E.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 8, 2018 13:55:00 GMT -5
In my opinion has nothing to do with what you wrote but everything to do with using a whole lot of energy and not having the skilled guards you need to have and to know how, when and where to get Jessie the ball. Bigs get frustrated and in foul trouble when this happens. They get too passive to go to their guards and demand they give him the ball when, where, how he wants it. Its a shame when a big has to get in his guards faces to demand the ball, but so be it!!! Do it Jessie. glidehoyas.blogspot.com/2012/05/give-big-roy-ball.html This happened to Roy too in college and pro's. I agree Jessie needs to demand the ball but you can't ignore the competition aspect. Not solely in terms of Jessie's performance but also for the ease of the guards getting him the ball. Passing around a 5'6" guard is much easier then an athletic 6'2" guard. Also the passes need to be more on point when Jessie is posting up guys that have the ability to get around him to deny the ball, it was much easier when it was a 6'8" guys with limited athleticism and length. The effort required against High Major players is much different then Mid Majors. Jessie is working hard but he's definitely been worked hard all season. His guards need to work harder on their end to get him the ball in good positions. Whose ignoring the competition aspect. This is an excuse. Great guards find ways to win and to get their bigs the ball period. Passing around a 5 6 guard is much easier then an athletic 6 2 guard??? WTF It doesn't matter if he's a freaking giant but you still give your big the ball when and where he wants it. Aren't you watching the games. Jessie has hand up or down where he wants the ball. Get it to him period. No excuses. None of those guys have the ability to get around to get the ball if you throw to Jessie when and where he wants it! Man, wake up. Have you ever played the guard position before??? You sound ridiculous and would be the one to come back to the bench and say, "coach I can't Jessie the ball just because." smh ... There is no difference from high to mid majors wtf who are you man??? You just said it his guards need to work not harder, but smarter and quicker getting Jessie the ball as soon as he seals his defender. This is not happening!!! NCHoya BigmanU hoyasaxa2003
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bigskyhoya
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Post by bigskyhoya on Feb 8, 2018 14:58:22 GMT -5
I agree with you in that his maximum value to the NBA will come with one more year with Coach E. Agree he should return but will be surprised if he does not test the waters.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 21, 2018 16:26:52 GMT -5
Some interesting things about Govan's season that I learned through twitter.
Wouldn't have realized this if it weren't for Mr. Bancroft. I would have assumed Greg Monroe had averaged a double-double too. Perhaps it was pace and the amount of possessions under III that kept Monroe from accomplishing this feat. Anyway kudos to Givan for joining a select group of former Hoyas.
I would have never guessed Luke Harangody. What happened to him anyway?
Perhaps a tad superficial but Govan ended up being the number one fantasy player in the Big East. The people running this site base the numbers on points, rebounds, blocks, steals, assists, etc.
This tweet is an example of why Govan could accumulate enough points to get ranked at the top of the BE fantasy standings. Unfortunately even that impressive stat-line against Marquette didn't lead to a win.
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Post by bicentennial on Mar 21, 2018 20:56:32 GMT -5
I emailed the Big East conference website shortly before the BigEast awards for the year were released and asked if there was a page on the Big East Conference Statistic page links that would show me the conference only double double statistics. The Big East does not track double doubles at the conference level. So our conference doesn't even pay attention to players who are stat stuffers in multiple statistical categories. Sad!
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hoyapac
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Post by hoyapac on Apr 11, 2018 19:03:53 GMT -5
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kbones17
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Post by kbones17 on Apr 11, 2018 19:12:30 GMT -5
Oh man. Here we go.
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Post by trillesthoya on Apr 11, 2018 19:15:17 GMT -5
If he does leave for whatever reason, that's a wrap on next season. Going to get real bad real quick unless Mourning turns out to be an all big-east caliber player.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 11, 2018 19:15:48 GMT -5
No surprise at all. There is no downside to this. He finds out where he stands, what he needs to work on if he is not in the mix, etc. Smart move.
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alleninxis
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Post by alleninxis on Apr 11, 2018 19:17:55 GMT -5
I mean, I realize Marcus going the opposite direction causes concern - but Ewing himself said both would be testing the waters over a week ago.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 11, 2018 19:18:31 GMT -5
If he does leave for whatever reason, that's a wrap on next season. Going to get real bad real quick unless Mourning turns out to be an all big-east caliber player. Look, if it happens, it just sets us back a little, but also makes the program Patrick's in its entirety. Would take another year before he can fully develop his schemes and philosophy. Not gonna stress about this.
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Post by trillesthoya on Apr 11, 2018 19:26:12 GMT -5
If he does leave for whatever reason, that's a wrap on next season. Going to get real bad real quick unless Mourning turns out to be an all big-east caliber player. Look, if it happens, it just sets us back a little, but also makes the program Patrick's in its entirety. Would take another year before he can fully develop his schemes and philosophy. Not gonna stress about this. You are correct, I'm just a bit more impatient. Was hoping to see if Ewing had it in him to push for a tourney bid next season and top half of the BE. It will be disappointing going into next season with a grand total of zero actual centers, especially since its Ewing's team.
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vv83
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Post by vv83 on Apr 11, 2018 20:00:50 GMT -5
My guess is that we only get Yurtseven if Govan decides to leave. As much as we might like to believe otherwise, both Govan and Yurtseven just cannot play significant minutes together. It makes no sense for Yurtseven to come to Georgetown if Govan stays, there won't be enough minutes for two guys who both want to showcase their talent for the NBA/high level international pro scouts next year. Hopefully we have at least one of these guys next year to give us a big man offensive presence.
Ewing always said this is going to be a long rebuild. We got excited about maybe being a tournament team next year because Derrickson and Govan were so good this season. But we just don't have the culture yet to hold onto juniors who play as well as those guys did, epecially when they were recruited by a different coach/staff.
The real key to the future of the program is going to be be the development of the young guys - Pickett, Blair, Walker, McClung, Carter, LeBlanc. that is what next season is really about. Plus we have to recognize that once a player has a really good season, it is going to be a flip of a coin whether they return the next season, until Ewing establishes the kind of culture that is keeping good players at Villanova, Xavier, etc. for 3 or 4 seasons.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 11, 2018 20:19:03 GMT -5
Smart move Mr. Govan, test the waters and see what the results will return for you.
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TC
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Post by TC on Apr 11, 2018 20:29:44 GMT -5
If he does leave for whatever reason, that's a wrap on next season. Going to get real bad real quick unless Mourning turns out to be an all big-east caliber player. Mourning can grad transfer. I'd expect Jesse back before I'd expect Trey back.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 11, 2018 20:53:15 GMT -5
My guess is that we only get Yurtseven if Govan decides to leave. As much as we might like to believe otherwise, both Govan and Yurtseven just cannot play significant minutes together. It makes no sense for Yurtseven to come to Georgetown if Govan stays, there won't be enough minutes for two guys who both want to showcase their talent for the NBA/high level international pro scouts next year. Hopefully we have at least one of these guys next year to give us a big man offensive presence. Ewing always said this is going to be a long rebuild. We got excited about maybe being a tournament team next year because Derrickson and Govan were so good this season. But we just don't have the culture yet to hold onto juniors who play as well as those guys did, epecially when they were recruited by a different coach/staff. The real key to the future of the program is going to be be the development of the young guys - Pickett, Blair, Walker, McClung, Carter, LeBlanc. that is what next season is really about. Plus we have to recognize that once a player has a really good season, it is going to be a flip of a coin whether they return the next season, until Ewing establishes the kind of culture that is keeping good players at Villanova, Xavier, etc. for 3 or 4 seasons. I don't get this idea. Tons of bigs commit to kentucky at the same class and play coming off the bench and still get drafted. I know those are potential guys, but I don't see why playing 20 instead of 30 minutes would limit him in being able to show case himself. Them each playing 20 minutes in a game will likely result in them both being more productive because they both will be rested and not in foul trouble. Maybe Yurt values Ewing's development more than playing time. NBA scouts will realize if he's good enough or not for the pros whether or not he plays 30+ minutes.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Apr 11, 2018 20:54:39 GMT -5
I'd have been really surprised if Jessie didn't test the waters. It's to his benefit and if he wants to come back he's free to do so.
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Apr 11, 2018 21:04:28 GMT -5
I hope he gets a realistic assessment of where he stands and comes back to improve and finish his degree. There are many places in the world to play professional basketball. The highest is the NBA. He is close enough to getting his degree, that if an opportunity presents itself, he can go for the basketball dream. Selfishly, I hope he returns for his senior year. But wish him the best. This could make it more difficult and anguishing for us hungry for success Hoya fans.
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