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Post by EtomicB on Apr 7, 2018 17:03:42 GMT -5
Arizona has already fired a top asst coach for allegedly paying a recruit...last time I checked, the head coach is responsible for that... now there's is evidence that there may be a FBI wire tap of Miller offering $100k to a player (Ayton)...now, do you think that someone/the FBI made this up/fabricated it? of course, he's denying it...these are pretty incriminating signs, and for a person of sound mind and good judgment to arbitrarily dismiss them when their future is at stake just because "he's a good coach" is pretty absurd if there are very attractive alternative options available...the fact that several of their recruits have decommitted ought to speak for itself, and certainly ought to give major pause to other recruits and their families I would think...yet there are always some who will "buy in" and they will have to live with the consequences of their decisions... The assistant allegedly paid a recruit who's now committed to Villanova btw.. Do you think Nova wouldn't due the research necessary to ensure there wasn't gonna be blowback to signing Quinerly? Seems to me you're being a little loose with the facts about the case on Miller, the FBI hasn't spoken about having Miller on tape, ESPN did that.. According to this article ESPN had to make some corrections to their initial report and even then it may not line up correctly.. www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/03/01/arizona-coach-sean-miller-press-conferenceHowever, there have been some doubts raised about the ESPN report. Daniels, Gershon and Brian Snow of 247 Sports noted some discrepancies in the timeline laid out by ESPN. The ESPN report was updated to clarify the date of the call between Miller and Dawkins, but it did not match with the dates the U.S. Attorney's office said it had been wiretapping Dawkins' line, a source told 247 Sports. ESPN issued a correction on it's original story to say the conversation happened in 2016, but 247 Sports reports the U.S. Attorney's office was wiretapping Dawkins from June 9, 2017 through Sept. 25.
Pat Forde of Yahoo! Sports appeared on ESPN 680 and said there was nothing in the documents Yahoo! Sports reviewed that mentioned Miller.It also has to be noted that Ayton has denied that he or anyone associated with him ever got any money to the FBI & the NCAA.. As we all know lying to the FBI is a crime.. www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/family-deandre-ayton-demands-fbi-ncaa-clear-good-article-1.3841378The statement comes after Ayton’s family attorney, Lynden B. Rose, demanded his name be publicly cleared and pointed to his interviews with the FBI months ago determined he did nothing wrong.
Kelly cited that in interviews with federal prosecutors, the FBI, NCAA, Pac-12 compliance officials and an independent law firm, Ayton “credibly and consistently maintained that neither he nor any member of his family, nor any representative thereof, received any money or extra benefit to influence his decision...not a shred of evidence has been adduced suggesting otherwise, which federal investigators and NCAA officials have acknowledged.”
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 7, 2018 17:12:03 GMT -5
Why do you feel the need to judge him and put him down? Basically saying he isn’t good enough for Georgetown if he is going to go to Arizona? I'm saying that in MY EYES he isn't the type of player I would want on my team if he is the type that would commit to a coach under Federal Investigation. The whole nonsense about him not being good enough for Gtown is your spin on things, the sort of reflexive, defensive pushbacks that come whenever someone takes a kid's decision to task. Spare me from that nonsensical debate. This is not about him not going to Georgetown for God's sakes. This is about him going to Arizona. If he had chosen the school I despise the most, Maryland, I wouldn't exactly care for that choice either but I could at least respect. I have zero respect for this dude picking Arizona. Of course he and his family wouldn't give two cents about my feelings on this so why do some of you take issue with my opinion? I will point out as well, once more, that I didn't expect him to choose GU nor did I think he filled a need. So this isn't sour grapes on my part. Let me also add that people on this site will say much harsher things about recruits who choose Syracuse. And its not just because of a rivalry thing. Many people here think Boeheim is running an illegal program.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 7, 2018 17:13:42 GMT -5
He has weeks to make a decision and choose a high level program who are not facing likely penalties in the next year or two. He has no idea the level of penalties Arizona may face WHILE he is probably still in school. It could include banishment from NCAA tournaments. He has options. And picking a program typically involves figuring the character of the coach you will suit up for. How does this kid, his family and his advisers have any faith in Miller's character unless they are okay with this type of speculation and accusations going on? And if they are okay with that type of stuff then, yeah, keep him and his support group away from my team. All reports are saying Akinjo is looking at Arizona as well, do you want him and his support group away from your team too? I can't know that until AFTER a decision is made. It isn't about the list of choices, it is about the final choice.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 7, 2018 17:20:01 GMT -5
Everyone knows it’s a dirty system, so when it surfaces periodically no one is phased. They should be phased if they are the recruit and his family. If they aren't and think such a thing like with Arizona can be dismissed out of hand as business as usual, then they are arguably the most cynical people on the Earth, or they aren't thinking the situation through thoroughly or they may want some of that "business" for themselves.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 7, 2018 17:27:24 GMT -5
Everyone knows it’s a dirty system, so when it surfaces periodically no one is phased. They should be phased if they are the recruit and his family. If they aren't and think such a thing like with Arizona can be dismissed out of hand as business as usual, then they are arguably the most cynical people on the Earth, or they aren't thinking the situation through thoroughly or they may want some of that "business" for themselves. I don't understand how you can have this view but be ok with recruits entertaining Miller's recruiting pitch.. But to each his own..
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 7, 2018 17:34:38 GMT -5
Arizona has already fired a top asst coach for allegedly paying a recruit...last time I checked, the head coach is responsible for that... now there's is evidence that there may be a FBI wire tap of Miller offering $100k to a player (Ayton)...now, do you think that someone/the FBI made this up/fabricated it? of course, he's denying it...these are pretty incriminating signs, and for a person of sound mind and good judgment to arbitrarily dismiss them when their future is at stake just because "he's a good coach" is pretty absurd if there are very attractive alternative options available...the fact that several of their recruits have decommitted ought to speak for itself, and certainly ought to give major pause to other recruits and their families I would think...yet there are always some who will "buy in" and they will have to live with the consequences of their decisions... The assistant allegedly paid a recruit who's now committed to Villanova btw.. Do you think Nova wouldn't due the research necessary to ensure there wasn't gonna be blowback to signing Quinerly? Seems to me you're being a little loose with the facts about the case on Miller, the FBI hasn't spoken about having Miller on tape ESPN did that, according to this article ESPN had to make some corrections to the report and even then it may not line up correctly.. www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/03/01/arizona-coach-sean-miller-press-conferenceHowever, there have been some doubts raised about the ESPN report. Daniels, Gershon and Brian Snow of 247 Sports noted some discrepancies in the timeline laid out by ESPN. The ESPN report was updated to clarify the date of the call between Miller and Dawkins, but it did not match with the dates the U.S. Attorney's office said it had been wiretapping Dawkins' line, a source told 247 Sports. ESPN issued a correction on it's original story to say the conversation happened in 2016, but 247 Sports reports the U.S. Attorney's office was wiretapping Dawkins from June 9, 2017 through Sept. 25.
Pat Forde of Yahoo! Sports appeared on ESPN 680 and said there was nothing in the documents Yahoo! Sports reviewed that mentioned Miller.It also has to be noted that Ayton has denied that he or anyone associated with him ever got money to the FBI & the NCAA.. As we all know lying to the FBI is a crime.. www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/family-deandre-ayton-demands-fbi-ncaa-clear-good-article-1.3841378The statement comes after Ayton’s family attorney, Lynden B. Rose, demanded his name be publicly cleared and pointed to his interviews with the FBI months ago determined he did nothing wrong.
Kelly cited that in interviews with federal prosecutors, the FBI, NCAA, Pac-12 compliance officials and an independent law firm, Ayton “credibly and consistently maintained that neither he nor any member of his family, nor any representative thereof, received any money or extra benefit to influence his decision...not a shred of evidence has been adduced suggesting otherwise, which federal investigators and NCAA officials have acknowledged.”
So you actually think all of this was just some ruse, some mistake that Arizona got caught up in just by chance? That the FBI who break cases involving people and institutions much better at hiding a paper trail than D1 basketball programs, had been wasting their time all along with Miller and his program? That's a leap of faith I don't have. Time will tell because the investigations are ongoing and the FBI is probably not revealing their hand as of yet. Maybe Miller and Co will come out smelling like roses. I am suspicious though how Miller seemed to be crumbling by all reports when the heat was really rising leading up to the Pac 12 tourney when he, I believe, took a game off to gather himself. Alum and many fans wanted him to be ran straight out of the state. Then some word comes out that there has been no "evidence" reveal (yet) of Miller's involvement and suddenly everyone is ready to let it go and pretend as if nothing was going on? Someone explain to me why Quinerly and other high profile recruits abandoned ship. And if Miller and his staff are so clean why hasn't Arizona filed a suit against ESPN or other new sources who leaked faulty information that painted them in such a negative light? At the very least there is still doubt and a black cloud hovering over the program until this thing is completely resolved. So why would an elite recruit not protect himself by waiting a while longer before picking Arizona? I just think it is a bad decision.
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Post by IDenj on Apr 7, 2018 17:35:33 GMT -5
Why do you feel the need to judge him and put him down? Basically saying he isn’t good enough for Georgetown if he is going to go to Arizona? I'm saying that in MY EYES he isn't the type of player I would want on my team if he is the type that would commit to a coach under Federal Investigation. The whole nonsense about him not being good enough for Gtown is your spin on things, the sort of reflexive, defensive pushbacks that come whenever someone takes a kid's decision to task. Spare me from that nonsensical debate. This is not about him not going to Georgetown for God's sakes. This is about him going to Arizona. If he had chosen the school I despise the most, Maryland, I wouldn't exactly care for that choice either but I could at least respect. I have zero respect for this dude picking Arizona. Of course he and his family wouldn't give two cents about my feelings on this so why do some of you take issue with my opinion? I will point out as well, once more, that I didn't expect him to choose GU nor did I think he filled a need. So this isn't sour grapes on my part. Let me also add that people on this site will say much harsher things about recruits who choose Syracuse. And its not just because of a rivalry thing. Many people here think Boeheim is running an illegal program. You were on your Georgetown high horse. Don’t try and spin your way out of it. Based on comments he made it seems like it’s the school he wanted to go to. After everyone de committed I said he will probably still go Arizona. If that’s the school he wants to be at, good for him. He went to the place he felt was best for him. Stop looking down at a kid because you didn’t like his choice.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 7, 2018 17:40:28 GMT -5
They should be phased if they are the recruit and his family. If they aren't and think such a thing like with Arizona can be dismissed out of hand as business as usual, then they are arguably the most cynical people on the Earth, or they aren't thinking the situation through thoroughly or they may want some of that "business" for themselves. I don't understand how you can have this view but be ok with recruits entertaining Miller's recruiting pitch.. No harm in listening and letting the person tell his side of the story I guess. But even if that person is persuasive one has to still look after one's best interests by not immediately throwing in their lot with a potentially very bad apple when there are healthier ones to choose from.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 7, 2018 17:52:00 GMT -5
I'm saying that in MY EYES he isn't the type of player I would want on my team if he is the type that would commit to a coach under Federal Investigation. The whole nonsense about him not being good enough for Gtown is your spin on things, the sort of reflexive, defensive pushbacks that come whenever someone takes a kid's decision to task. Spare me from that nonsensical debate. This is not about him not going to Georgetown for God's sakes. This is about him going to Arizona. If he had chosen the school I despise the most, Maryland, I wouldn't exactly care for that choice either but I could at least respect. I have zero respect for this dude picking Arizona. Of course he and his family wouldn't give two cents about my feelings on this so why do some of you take issue with my opinion? I will point out as well, once more, that I didn't expect him to choose GU nor did I think he filled a need. So this isn't sour grapes on my part. Let me also add that people on this site will say much harsher things about recruits who choose Syracuse. And its not just because of a rivalry thing. Many people here think Boeheim is running an illegal program. You were on your Georgetown high horse. Don’t try and spin your way out of it. Based on comments he made it seems like it’s the school he wanted to go to. After everyone de committed I said he will probably still go Arizona. If that’s the school he wants to be at, good for him. He went to the place he felt was best for him. Stop looking down at a kid because you didn’t like his choice. No, I wasn't on my Georgetown high horse. Stop making excuses for your lack of reading abilities and comprehension. I didn't attend Georgetown, sir. I have been on this board a long, long time and yet I have never been one of the people who took players to task for "not appreciating a Georgetown education" or "not picking an elite university like Georgetown to attend." As a fan of the program I'm also objective enough to realize that at this stage there are dozens of better options for players out there to choose. So try not to put words in my mouth to make up for your inadequacy in forming a more robust rebuttal of your own. And if this kid picked a school that pretty much spurned him and is now only giving him a schollie because of those other recruits who parted ways (for good reason) opened up scholarship openings, then he may have even worse judgment then I initially thought. As I said....I wish him luck. And since this is still a free country, dad, I can look down on that decision as much as I please.
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Post by IDenj on Apr 7, 2018 17:55:13 GMT -5
Of course you can look down upon him. It’s what you do...
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 7, 2018 18:00:27 GMT -5
The assistant allegedly paid a recruit who's now committed to Villanova btw.. Do you think Nova wouldn't due the research necessary to ensure there wasn't gonna be blowback to signing Quinerly? Seems to me you're being a little loose with the facts about the case on Miller, the FBI hasn't spoken about having Miller on tape ESPN did that, according to this article ESPN had to make some corrections to the report and even then it may not line up correctly.. www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/03/01/arizona-coach-sean-miller-press-conferenceHowever, there have been some doubts raised about the ESPN report. Daniels, Gershon and Brian Snow of 247 Sports noted some discrepancies in the timeline laid out by ESPN. The ESPN report was updated to clarify the date of the call between Miller and Dawkins, but it did not match with the dates the U.S. Attorney's office said it had been wiretapping Dawkins' line, a source told 247 Sports. ESPN issued a correction on it's original story to say the conversation happened in 2016, but 247 Sports reports the U.S. Attorney's office was wiretapping Dawkins from June 9, 2017 through Sept. 25.
Pat Forde of Yahoo! Sports appeared on ESPN 680 and said there was nothing in the documents Yahoo! Sports reviewed that mentioned Miller.It also has to be noted that Ayton has denied that he or anyone associated with him ever got money to the FBI & the NCAA.. As we all know lying to the FBI is a crime.. www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/family-deandre-ayton-demands-fbi-ncaa-clear-good-article-1.3841378The statement comes after Ayton’s family attorney, Lynden B. Rose, demanded his name be publicly cleared and pointed to his interviews with the FBI months ago determined he did nothing wrong.
Kelly cited that in interviews with federal prosecutors, the FBI, NCAA, Pac-12 compliance officials and an independent law firm, Ayton “credibly and consistently maintained that neither he nor any member of his family, nor any representative thereof, received any money or extra benefit to influence his decision...not a shred of evidence has been adduced suggesting otherwise, which federal investigators and NCAA officials have acknowledged.”
So you actually think all of this was just some ruse, some mistake that Arizona got caught up in just by chance? That the FBI who break cases involving people and institutions much better at hiding a paper trail than D1 basketball programs, had been wasting their time all along with Miller and his program? That's a leap of faith I don't have. Time will tell because the investigations are ongoing and the FBI is probably not revealing their hand as of yet. Maybe Miller and Co will come out smelling like roses. I am suspicious though how Miller seemed to be crumbling by all reports when the heat was really rising leading up to the Pac 12 tourney when he, I believe, took a game off to gather himself. Alum and many fans wanted him to be ran straight out of the state. Then some word comes out that there has been no "evidence" reveal (yet) of Miller's involvement and suddenly everyone is ready to let it go and pretend as if nothing was going on? Someone explain to me why Quinerly and other high profile recruits abandoned ship. And if Miller and his staff are so clean why hasn't Arizona filed a suit against ESPN or other new sources who leaked faulty information that painted them in such a negative light? At the very least there is still doubt and a black cloud hovering over the program until this thing is completely resolved. So why would an elite recruit not protect himself by waiting a while longer before picking Arizona? I just think it is a bad decision.I'm fine with this but in your previous posts you were going at the kids character for choosing Arizona, that's the part I didn't like.. I don't think it's a ruse but it is possible that Richardson was into some shady dealings without Miller's knowledge.. Quinerly left because he was implicated in the scandal, I have to think Nova made sure he was safe before taking him in.. Brandon Williams is still taking visits from Miller and reports are Jordan Brown & Akinjo are listening as well.. Why not wait until you're fully proven innocent before suing? what's the rush?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 7, 2018 18:01:04 GMT -5
Some kids dream of playing for a program like Arizona. The circumstances allowed it to happen. It is what it is.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 7, 2018 18:06:18 GMT -5
Of course you can look down upon him. It’s what you do... Yeah, spare me your weak comebacks. Don't bother to even pretend you know me enough to figure out what I do or don't do. You already proved that with your inane take of me as having some elitist view point on why this guy should have chosen the Hoyas. What I actually do look down upon are badly thought out posts. EtomicB at least made a legitimate point by bringing in key details to this unnecessary debate. You though got on your own high horse and decided to have a Editeding contest.
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Post by IDenj on Apr 7, 2018 18:09:21 GMT -5
Of course you can look down upon him. It’s what you do... Yeah, spare me your weak comebacks. Don't bother to even pretend you know me enough to figure out what I do or don't do. You already proved that with your inane take of me as having some elitist view point on why this guy should have chosen the Hoyas. What I actually do look down upon are badly thought out posts. EtomicB at least made a legitimate point by bringing in key details to this unnecessary debate. You though got on your own high horse and decided to have a Editeding contest. For crying out loud. You got busted being a Hoya snob. Relax. Regal is with your RBB list again please...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 7, 2018 18:13:21 GMT -5
Looks like this thread is headed for lockdown!
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 7, 2018 18:20:31 GMT -5
So you actually think all of this was just some ruse, some mistake that Arizona got caught up in just by chance? That the FBI who break cases involving people and institutions much better at hiding a paper trail than D1 basketball programs, had been wasting their time all along with Miller and his program? That's a leap of faith I don't have. Time will tell because the investigations are ongoing and the FBI is probably not revealing their hand as of yet. Maybe Miller and Co will come out smelling like roses. I am suspicious though how Miller seemed to be crumbling by all reports when the heat was really rising leading up to the Pac 12 tourney when he, I believe, took a game off to gather himself. Alum and many fans wanted him to be ran straight out of the state. Then some word comes out that there has been no "evidence" reveal (yet) of Miller's involvement and suddenly everyone is ready to let it go and pretend as if nothing was going on? Someone explain to me why Quinerly and other high profile recruits abandoned ship. And if Miller and his staff are so clean why hasn't Arizona filed a suit against ESPN or other new sources who leaked faulty information that painted them in such a negative light? At the very least there is still doubt and a black cloud hovering over the program until this thing is completely resolved. So why would an elite recruit not protect himself by waiting a while longer before picking Arizona? I just think it is a bad decision.I'm fine with this but in your previous posts you were going at the kids character for choosing Arizona, that's the part I didn't like.. To me judgment goes hand-in-hand with character so I suppose I'm not really off the hook on this. I don't know what type of kid he is; he could be a good one, he could be a bad one. But I have never been a fan of guys who pick programs that are so possibly tainted the public has been made aware of it. I think the better programs are ones who attract players who pick schools for all the right reasons. Villanova and Michigan are such programs IMO. Sean Miller has done nothing at Arizona other than bring in elite recruiting classes without any noteworthy results. And now his program is under such suspicion, whether right or wrong, that the FBI had been/still is investigating it? I'm surprised elite recruits are still willing to go there without more of the smoke being cleared.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 7, 2018 18:24:53 GMT -5
Yeah, spare me your weak comebacks. Don't bother to even pretend you know me enough to figure out what I do or don't do. You already proved that with your inane take of me as having some elitist view point on why this guy should have chosen the Hoyas. What I actually do look down upon are badly thought out posts. EtomicB at least made a legitimate point by bringing in key details to this unnecessary debate. You though got on your own high horse and decided to have a Editeding contest. For crying out loud. You got busted being a Hoya snob. Relax. Regal is with your RBB list again please... I don't think you quite know what a snob means, but Google is your friend. I seriously doubt you can provide evidence of me being one once you looked up the definition though. And the RBB book is out of print so you will have to be entertained by some other means.
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Post by IDenj on Apr 7, 2018 18:28:40 GMT -5
I’d say you continually belabouring your point sort of proves mine.
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Post by jld54 on Apr 7, 2018 18:30:28 GMT -5
I’d say you continually belabouring your point sort of proves mine. You folks have to calm down and stop the sniping. You are silly.
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Post by IDenj on Apr 7, 2018 18:34:43 GMT -5
Look if he’s big enough to say sorry I’m big enough to accept his apology.
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