Loyal Hoya
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Feb 10, 2018 23:02:12 GMT -5
Looked to me like Kaleb tried to foul Delgado but was a little late. That's what I thought. SH's movement on that play made it difficult for us to foul, and we were a little flat footed.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Feb 10, 2018 23:05:35 GMT -5
Didn't see the game.
We won.
Go Hoyas!
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Feb 10, 2018 23:09:49 GMT -5
Agreed on the defense. But on offense, Pickett has become one of the best freshman at Georgetown I can recall (post JT JR era) I love Jamarko, but as a freshman, I don't think he is nearly as good as Jeff Green, Otto Porter, or Greg Monroe. DSR and Dujuan Summers were also very good as freshmen. You don't think he's as good as 3 guys that went early in the first round of the draft one of which was, at one time, the highest regarded prospect in his class?
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Feb 10, 2018 23:10:17 GMT -5
Agreed on the defense. But on offense, Pickett has become one of the best freshman at Georgetown I can recall (post JT JR era) I love Jamarko, but as a freshman, I don't think he is nearly as good as Jeff Green, Otto Porter, or Greg Monroe. DSR and Dujuan Summers were also very good as freshmen. Otto was a great defender as a freshman but his offense was behind Licketd at this point.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Feb 10, 2018 23:14:42 GMT -5
I love Jamarko, but as a freshman, I don't think he is nearly as good as Jeff Green, Otto Porter, or Greg Monroe. DSR and Dujuan Summers were also very good as freshmen. Otto was a great defender as a freshman but his offense was behind Licketd at this point. The great thing is that the guys mentioned are the guys he's being compared to. Says a lot about the work he's putting in.
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Loyal Hoya
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Feb 10, 2018 23:44:35 GMT -5
I love Jamarko, but as a freshman, I don't think he is nearly as good as Jeff Green, Otto Porter, or Greg Monroe. DSR and Dujuan Summers were also very good as freshmen. Otto was a great defender as a freshman but his offense was behind Licketd at this point. Otto "only" averaged 10 points per game as a freshman, but his offensive rating was like 119. I'd still probably take a freshman Otto Porter on the offensive end, but my memory may be conflating his two years. In any case, Jamarko seems to have a ton of potential/talent, and he seems to have taken a big leap in the last few games.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Feb 11, 2018 0:02:34 GMT -5
Otto was a great defender as a freshman but his offense was behind Licketd at this point. Otto "only" averaged 10 points per game as a freshman, but his offensive rating was like 119. I'd still probably take a freshman Otto Porter on the offensive end, but my memory may be conflating his two years. In any case, Jamarko seems to have a ton of potential/talent, and he seems to have taken a big leap in the last few games. Great point. It's a difficult comparison because Otto was such a fundamentally sound player. His freshman year especially, the numbers were almost surprising when the game was over. He did a lot of things that didn't show up in box scores which, in both of his years, made him such a great college player. Those same things continue to serve him well. That's how good his skills were and are. Not turning the ball over isn't flashy but it sure does help a team. Otto is still that dude. I wouldn't put Pickett on the same level as Porter at this point but who would have thought it'd be a viable conversation already even though they're very different players.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 11, 2018 0:52:39 GMT -5
Another baby step and a great win. The Hoyas finally got that monkey off their back(finishing against a top tier BE team). The hose who have said this wasDickerson’s best game, I concur. I have been very critical of Dickerson, mostly bc I thought as a senior would have brought more to the mix this year. He has struggled mightily, but despite some mistakes I thought his overall contributions considerably outweighed his mistakes, especially his pushing the ball upcourt before he defense could get set. Now that the team has gotten just enough guard play to close a tight game lets take another baby step and put a good team away early. Marcus played like a man possessed today. As Raftery says the young man had onions. It has been funwatching this team mature. First we were only getting scoring from Govan and Derrickson , then we were getting scoring from Govan/Derrickson and one of Pickett or Blair. Now the scoring is Govan or Derrickson and a combination of Pickett, Blair and one of the pg’s. Th next step is for Govan, Derrickson,Pickett and Blair all to have good offensive games with one or two of the pgs having a good game. If they get this The Who as will be a tough out in the BE tournament.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Feb 11, 2018 0:55:33 GMT -5
Otto was a great defender as a freshman but his offense was behind Licketd at this point. Otto "only" averaged 10 points per game as a freshman, but his offensive rating was like 119. I'd still probably take a freshman Otto Porter on the offensive end, but my memory may be conflating his two years. In any case, Jamarko seems to have a ton of potential/talent, and he seems to have taken a big leap in the last few games. I mostly mean his skill level. Picket just has a more diverse skill set offensively and is able to create his shot a bit more. I never said Otto was bad his freshman year, and he's certainly more efficient than Picket, I just think at the same time in their careers Picket can do more things better than Otto could offensively. As overall players though Otto was a superior freshman because of his defense and rebounding ability.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 11, 2018 1:17:30 GMT -5
Why are you getting angry? Hoyasaxa2003 pretty much never has anything positive to say. That's par for the course. Relax. I said positive things after the Xavier game, and the Providence game too. I've repeatedly noted Ewing's success in causing us to foul less than last season, noted Pickett's improved play, that Govan has been getting better looks, etc. Feel free to read at the links. I may be less likely than some on here to get overly enthusiastic over small things, or to make bigger conclusions based on a single game or single performance, but I like to think of that as realistic, not negative. For example, I might say, "Pickett had a good game," or note that his improved play is encouraging, whereas others proclaim he's going to be Big East Player of the Year in a year or two. If that makes me negative, so be it. As for glide, if you read HoyaTalk regularly (and I know you do), you know lots of things make him angry (which is why I no longer engage him or his disrespect for others), so my only conclusion is you couldn't resist taking a potshot. Thanks for adding to the conversation.
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Post by kbones17 on Feb 11, 2018 3:09:34 GMT -5
Great effort from the team today and very glad PE got his first “big” win as a head coach. We all know this is a building year, and today was a step in the right direction.
Seton hall came roaring back but this was not a second half collapse at all. Myles Powell Hit a bunch of contested threes and Desi Rodriguez is just a very good player. Those two willled them back and the Hoyas kept fIghting. We missed some short shots and had a few turnovers trying to make plays, but we kept working.
I didn’t see the last minute due to my DVr cutting off, but I’m glad we got MD to take the shots at the very end. I’ve been hoping that we simplify in the end game situations and just get the ball to MD or JG; today we did that. Enjoyable game to watch. Hoya Saxa.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 11, 2018 3:41:11 GMT -5
Why are you getting angry? Hoyasaxa2003 pretty much never has anything positive to say. That's par for the course. Relax. I said positive things after the Xavier game, and the Providence game too. I've repeatedly noted Ewing's success in causing us to foul less than last season, noted Pickett's improved play, that Govan has been getting better looks, etc. Feel free to read at the links. I may be less likely than some on here to get overly enthusiastic over small things, or to make bigger conclusions based on a single game or single performance, but I like to think of that as realistic, not negative. For example, I might say, "Pickett had a good game," or note that his improved play is encouraging, whereas others proclaim he's going to be Big East Player of the Year in a year or two. If that makes me negative, so be it. As for glide, if you read HoyaTalk regularly (and I know you do), you know lots of things make him angry (which is why I no longer engage him or his disrespect for others), so my only conclusion is you couldn't resist taking a potshot. Thanks for adding to the conversation. You took three paragraphs just to get around to telling me I hurt your feelings. You are correct that glide goes off the handle a bit too easily, particularly considering how friendly this board is overall. But you are also set in your ways too. Throwing out some bones regarding examples of the positive points you've made does not counter my statement that you "pretty much" don't have encouraging things to say. Perhaps I'm somewhat wrong about that characterization of you but please don't act as if I said something personal about your family. It was merely my mild commentary on your opinion of the program right now. You aren't the type to simply just add your two cents about what you think is going wrong, which would be more than fine. You are instead one of those who feels the need to, in my opinion, criticize those who posted something positive. You state I couldn't resist taking a potshot but you see that's where you are wrong. I disagree with so many people's takes on a regular basis, including yours, but for the most part I let it slide, not feeling the need to turn things into a debate. So I have indeed actually regularly resisted from weighing in on your thoughts that I disagree with. I just so happened to speak up about it this time around to keep glide from focusing too much on posts by you that apparently bothered him. The next time I'll be sure not to make the mistake of dragging your name into the discussion.
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Post by dchoya72 on Feb 11, 2018 5:30:34 GMT -5
Otto "only" averaged 10 points per game as a freshman, but his offensive rating was like 119. I'd still probably take a freshman Otto Porter on the offensive end, but my memory may be conflating his two years. In any case, Jamarko seems to have a ton of potential/talent, and he seems to have taken a big leap in the last few games. I mostly mean his skill level. Picket just has a more diverse skill set offensively and is able to create his shot a bit more. I never said Otto was bad his freshman year, and he's certainly more efficient than Picket, I just think at the same time in their careers Picket can do more things better than Otto could offensively. As overall players though Otto was a superior freshman because of his defense and rebounding ability. When Otto was a freshman wasn't Greg Whittington getting more attention and didn't we have Mikael Hopkins, Jabril Trawick and Henry Sims, Hollis Thompson, and Markel Starks. Are you guys comparing apples to apples? I love Otto's work and he was and is a great Hoya; I think Jamorko has much less to work with and is coming on strong. If he continues and his mindset develops he's going to be a great Hoya and end up in the League too. He's doing some very good work. Peace.
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bigskyhoya
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Post by bigskyhoya on Feb 11, 2018 7:50:47 GMT -5
Can anyone doubt that we are a MUCH better team than we were at the beginning of the season? Sure, we still make some of the same dumb mistakes but far less of them. And we play hard, all the time. Coach has made mistakes too, but he is also getting better, and his personality is all over this team. When we learn how to close out games, we are a tourney team.
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Post by calhoya on Feb 11, 2018 8:04:16 GMT -5
Can anyone doubt that we are a MUCH better team than we were at the beginning of the season? Sure, we still make some of the same dumb mistakes but far less of them. And we play hard, all the time. Coach has made mistakes too, but he is also getting better, and his personality is all over this team. When we learn how to close out games, we are a tourney team. Agree with your comments on the growth of this team over the year. Ewing is learning, the players are learning and the play over the past few weeks has notably improved. If they can settle down and avoid the stretches of panic ball when they just lose focus it will be the next step. I was most impressed with the way they played yesterday after several losses that could easily have caused this team to tank.
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bigskyhoya
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Post by bigskyhoya on Feb 11, 2018 8:33:23 GMT -5
Can anyone doubt that we are a MUCH better team than we were at the beginning of the season? Sure, we still make some of the same dumb mistakes but far less of them. And we play hard, all the time. Coach has made mistakes too, but he is also getting better, and his personality is all over this team. When we learn how to close out games, we are a tourney team. Agree with your comments on the growth of this team over the year. Ewing is learning, the players are learning and the play over the past few weeks has notably improved. If they can settle down and avoid the stretches of panic ball when they just lose focus it will be the next step. I was most impressed with the way they played yesterday after several losses that could easily have caused this team to tank. This is due to Coach's warrior mentality. When we cut down on turnovers, the new style of play is fun to watch for fans and recruits. So many layups if we have the guys to finish.
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Post by miracles87 on Feb 11, 2018 9:13:24 GMT -5
The upward trajectory of this team continues, and is obvious to see game to game. Last night was by far the best we’ve seen from Mulmore and Dickerson. Utilizing their speed on the break and secondary break, Mulmore getting some isos, and driving hard to the basket, and getting off good shots. Even Kaleb got into the act with some nice buckets early. MD clearly got the memo about rebounding against the mighty Delgado, and was snatching boards with ferocity all night. Three weeks ago, looked like Pickett was going to require some serious offseason work to realize his potential, well, he’s suddenly a weapon to be feared. This team is becoming dangerous, just ask XU, and has already become a team that I love to watch. Govan and Derrickson are a load for anyone, and the piecees around them have been coalescing into place, rapidly, as the BE season progresses. Coach is doing a great job, and this is thrilling time to be a Hoya fan.
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Post by vv83 on Feb 11, 2018 9:22:43 GMT -5
The thing I really liked yesterday was that after Seton Hall made their run to take the lead in the second half, we did not fold. We bounced back and regained control of the game. Sure, we then tried to give it away again in the final minute! But most teams are not able to regain their composure when a team comes storming back against them the way Seton Hall did yesterday.
Ewing is definitely getting this team into the right place mentally. They play hard, they fight back. Plus it seems likely that Ewing is a very solid coach. This team is missing a lot of pieces offensively, but we are still getting a lot of good looks and scoring a decent number of points given the talent limitations. When we get a good point guard - the turnovers will drop, and we'll be much better at converting transition opportunities. We'll be much more versatile in the halfcourt offense - able to run real pick/roll offense rather than currently being largely dependent on playing through Govan/Derrickson in the low post. Defense is a bit harder to assess. It has not been good this year. But we are fouling far less. Let's see what happens with the D as Ewing gets more of his own recruits in place, guys like LeBlanc who have the length, quickness, and explosiveness to be stronger defenders.
Still plenty of improvement available for both players and the coach. But the foundation seems really solid. For the rest of this year - hopefully they maintain the intensity and improvement, competing in most of the rest of our games. Maybe win a couple more. Then keep grinding on the recruiting trail. Pull in a point guard for next year, continue to establish strong relationships for the 2019 class. The rest of the country may not quite see it yet, but the program has put itself on pretty sound footing. It may take another year and a couple more guards, but there is every reason to believe we'll be back in the NCAA tournament mix soon.
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Post by centercourt400s on Feb 11, 2018 10:08:05 GMT -5
Best scene of the game: Hoyas holding the ball for the last shot, the whole arena is intense, watching the clock tick down. 15 seconds to go Ewing leans forward towards Govan and holds out his arm, palm forward, telling Govan to wait. 14 seconds, 13 seconds... Govan is anxious, obviously wants to move up to set the screen but Ewing holds him with his stop signal and his strength of will. 12 seconds and Govan, dying to move, flinches forward, but Ewing continues to hold him. The crowd is screaming, everyone is on the edge, but Ewing holds. 11 seconds, 10 seconds... finally just under 10 Ewing waves his hand, releasing Govan to start the play... and the rest you know.
If the players had any doubts about their coach, that sequence had to erase them. They trusted him, despite the nerves, the late clock, the situation... and they were rewarded.
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Feb 11, 2018 10:33:18 GMT -5
Any audio clips of Rich's call of Derrickson's shot and the final miss floating around out there?
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