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Post by TC on Feb 8, 2018 16:07:35 GMT -5
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 8, 2018 20:19:25 GMT -5
I saw that and ignored it. Means nothing ...and what does this negativity have to do with anything??? Some of you I just smh at.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 9, 2018 7:56:28 GMT -5
This leaves me with a question. Which guards would you guys most want to have on the floor to end games? Let's say for this hypothetical example the lineup is Govan, Derrickson, Pickett and your two guards. Who are you taking? Exact same score, 1:30 left. Blair and Mosely, most of the time. Mosely and Dickerson...Dickerson can run the point, Mosely is better at the wing inserting good passes into the post and actually making better decisions imo. Blair you can put at the other wing sometimes and let him do his thing. I like his passes into the post from the wing positions as well.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 9, 2018 11:04:59 GMT -5
This leaves me with a question. Which guards would you guys most want to have on the floor to end games? Let's say for this hypothetical example the lineup is Govan, Derrickson, Pickett and your two guards. Who are you taking? Exact same score, 1:30 left. Blair and Mosely, most of the time. Wallace and Wright. Just kidding. I'd go with Mosley and Blair. I know we want to win this year but these two will be key to our success next year. Might as well throw them into the fire this year. Perhaps the bonehead plays this year will help motivate them to improve and teach them how not to make the same mistakes. I may be wrong but I remember Markel Starks making similar mistakes his first two years but improving tremendously over his last two.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 9, 2018 11:29:56 GMT -5
Blair and Mosely, most of the time. Wallace and Wright. Just kidding. I'd go with Mosley and Blair. I know we want to win this year but these two will be key to our success next year. Might as well throw them into the fire this year. Perhaps the bonehead plays this year will help motivate them to improve and teach them how not to make the same mistakes. Disagree. Our players are so inconsistent that Pat needs to play whoever is playing better each game. No free minutes; playing time must be earned. We have to win as much as possible now to be in a position to attract better players and to get out of this hole as soon as possible.
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Post by sleepy on Feb 9, 2018 12:35:58 GMT -5
Blair and Mosely depends upon what your trying to do. as an opposing coach I would put pressure on Mosely who tends to have trouble with in your face D and lack of a quick step pushes him sideways or to give up the ball.He also has a very hard time reading and working a screen effectively.Neither of them have skill sets offensively to be relied upon consistently. Blair handle is even worse I only want him in for a catch and shoot and no way should he see the court on the defensive end. Need to go Off/Def if you can make that switch. I think thats why we have seen more of Dickerson which is not such a great option either.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 9, 2018 13:57:28 GMT -5
Jagan Mosley, in my mind, typifies what our problem has been the last few years. Granted he wasn't a "diaper dandy" but his high school resume would leave you to believe he'd be a decent pg--at least by the end of his sophomore year. If I'm not mistaken he led his team to an undefeated season. He played under Bob Hurley. Yet as others have pointed out he has real holes in his game. Was he all we could get? Or was he not properly evaluated? Same with Trey Campbell. And don't get me started on Nate Lubick. Just so frustrating when you see what our BE opponents have been able to do with unheralded recruits.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 9, 2018 14:42:59 GMT -5
Jagan Mosley, in my mind, typifies what our problem has been the last few years. Granted he wasn't a "diaper dandy" but his high school resume would leave you to believe he'd be a decent pg--at least by the end of his sophomore year. If I'm not mistaken he led his team to an undefeated season. He played under Bob Hurley. Yet as others have pointed out he has real holes in his game. Was he all we could get? Or was he not properly evaluated? Same with Trey Campbell. And don't get me started on Nate Lubick. Just so frustrating when you see what our BE opponents have been able to do with unheralded recruits. His HS resume out of HS was not one of a pg, he didn't play the position in HS.. He did lead the team in scoring his Sr. year but he was the 3rd ball handler behind Asante Gist & RJ Cole.. Jagan was/is a good recruit in my view, folks just have to have more patience.. I think one of his goals for the off-season should be to develop a jump stop move, having that in his arsenal will open up more options..
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Post by drquigley on Feb 9, 2018 15:07:56 GMT -5
Jagan Mosley, in my mind, typifies what our problem has been the last few years. Granted he wasn't a "diaper dandy" but his high school resume would leave you to believe he'd be a decent pg--at least by the end of his sophomore year. If I'm not mistaken he led his team to an undefeated season. He played under Bob Hurley. Yet as others have pointed out he has real holes in his game. Was he all we could get? Or was he not properly evaluated? Same with Trey Campbell. And don't get me started on Nate Lubick. Just so frustrating when you see what our BE opponents have been able to do with unheralded recruits. His HS resume out of HS was not one of a pg, he didn't play the position in HS.. He did lead the team in scoring his Sr. year but he was the 3rd ball handler behind Asante Gist & RJ Cole.. Jagan was/is a good recruit in my view, folks just have to have more patience.. I think one of his goals for the off-season should be to develop a jump stop move, having that in his arsenal will open up more options.. Cripes, I just looked up his resume. NJ Player of the Year. Leads his team to. 32-0 record and state title. Class valedictorian. Played under Bob Hurley. C"mon, unless the real Jagan Mosley was kidnapped and replaced by a mediocre double, there is no way he shouldn't have shown us much more by now, jeez he's being coached by one of our best pg's. Could the shoulder injury be responsible? Anyone on the board see him play in high school?
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Feb 9, 2018 15:19:20 GMT -5
First of all, the shoulder injury is an issue. He couldn't concentrate on developing skills. It also limited him in the beginning of the season, when he was just getting back.
He was the captain of a championship team, but he was the third ball handler on his team. He was never a shooter. What sets him apart is what's thumping inside his chest. He has heart. We've seen evidence of it (see past pressers and communication on the floor). He works. I believe JT3 thought of him as possible pg by year 4, but not this soon. In any case, he was a great glue guy in high school and the leader of a gritty team.
The first two years of Markel Starks and Chris Wright were rough in that position. Neither of them became pure point guards. It's alot of pressure to ask someone to develop into the PG role in year 2, especially if they have never been given that responsibility before. What did JT3 do to prepare Jagan for this role?
I think Jagan will be a force by senior year. His intelligence, leadership, and work ethic will be what sets him apart. He has work to do to become that kind of reliable player you expect to see on the floor most of the time, but I believe barring injury he will get there. We're in trouble if we have to rely on him to log big minutes as point though.
Wasn't Reggie Cameron a player of the year in NJ?
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 9, 2018 15:42:55 GMT -5
His HS resume out of HS was not one of a pg, he didn't play the position in HS.. He did lead the team in scoring his Sr. year but he was the 3rd ball handler behind Asante Gist & RJ Cole.. Jagan was/is a good recruit in my view, folks just have to have more patience.. I think one of his goals for the off-season should be to develop a jump stop move, having that in his arsenal will open up more options.. Cripes, I just looked up his resume. NJ Player of the Year. Leads his team to. 32-0 record and state title. Class valedictorian. Played under Bob Hurley. C"mon, unless the real Jagan Mosley was kidnapped and replaced by a mediocre double, there is no way he shouldn't have shown us much more by now, jeez he's being coached by one of our best pg's. Could the shoulder injury be responsible? Anyone on the board see him play in high school? Here's Jagan's recruiting thread, it'll probably give you all the information you're looking for.. hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/28916/jagan-mosely-verbal-commit-gtown?page=1
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Post by sleepy on Feb 9, 2018 16:08:21 GMT -5
Agree Etomic. Jagan's just about what you would expect talent wise. Maybe a little challenged with the uptempo vs what III recruited him for. Not really ever going to be a pg but should be a solid contributor off the bench going forward assuming we actually upgrade the talent level in the backcourt.
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Feb 9, 2018 17:42:08 GMT -5
St Anthony's was an amazing basketball program. Treading lightly, and trying to make an observation that doesn't sound too sweeping, the players that came out of that program didn't make the leap to NCAA stardom relative to how good the teams were. They won 28 state championships and 4 national championships, and an article written at the time of the closing listed out the five best players in school history: Rodrick Rhodes, David Rivers, Terry Dehere, and Roshown McLeod - and Bobby Hurley. That's not a bad list - but for example Mount Vernon High in NY claims Gus Williams, Ben Gordon, Rodney and Scooter McRae, Ray Williams, and Isaiah Cousins. The style of play of St Anthony's just didn't translate to college success compared to how well they did in high school. I have often seen St Anthony's players in college who were stars of really good high school teams and wondered why they didn't have better outside shots, or better handles - I have never understood it.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 9, 2018 18:10:20 GMT -5
Anthony Perry for $200.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 9, 2018 19:04:37 GMT -5
St Anthony's was an amazing basketball program. Treading lightly, and trying to make an observation that doesn't sound too sweeping, the players that came out of that program didn't make the leap to NCAA stardom relative to how good the teams were. They won 28 state championships and 4 national championships, and an article written at the time of the closing listed out the five best players in school history: Rodrick Rhodes, David Rivers, Terry Dehere, and Roshown McLeod - and Bobby Hurley. That's not a bad list - but for example Mount Vernon High in NY claims Gus Williams, Ben Gordon, Rodney and Scooter McRae, Ray Williams, and Isaiah Cousins. The style of play of St Anthony's just didn't translate to college success compared to how well they did in high school. I have often seen St Anthony's players in college who were stars of really good high school teams and wondered why they didn't have better outside shots, or better handles - I have never understood it. Thanks for the info. Explains a lot. It says a lot about how hard D1 basketball at this level is and how much of a leap it is from high school.
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Post by mdtd on Feb 12, 2018 15:37:01 GMT -5
Blair and Mosely, most of the time. Mosely and Dickerson...Dickerson can run the point, Mosely is better at the wing inserting good passes into the post and actually making better decisions imo. Blair you can put at the other wing sometimes and let him do his thing. I like his passes into the post from the wing positions as well. <iframe width="23.920000000000073" height="5.360000000000014" style="position: absolute; width: 23.92px; height: 5.36px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 0px; top: 0px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_924341"></iframe> <iframe width="23.920000000000073" height="5.360000000000014" style="position: absolute; width: 23.92px; height: 5.36px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1132px; top: -228px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_30547807"></iframe> <iframe width="23.920000000000073" height="5.360000000000014" style="position: absolute; width: 23.92px; height: 5.36px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -16px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_53507271"></iframe> <iframe width="23.920000000000073" height="5.360000000000014" style="position: absolute; width: 23.92px; height: 5.36px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1132px; top: -16px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_48502787"></iframe> This back court worked and did get us the win. So, I think we should be using it more in late game scenarios like that. With Dickerson being a true PG and knowing how to make a play, and Mosely being able to create at his natural wing/ combo guard position it worked. (just remembered this now)
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