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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 13, 2018 14:06:04 GMT -5
I'm not even sure it was a lack of poise -- we had some great runouts and then just constant misses from point blank, too. Probably poor choice of words, not really poise as much as rushing when it was not necessary to do so. That is almost the definition of poise! Seton Hall had more talent at 4 positions today, and our guys forced shots and passes to try to make something happen. Experience will help; more talent will help more.
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Post by zxhoya on Jan 13, 2018 14:08:36 GMT -5
The talent level disparity is truly amazing. How in the world did JTIII ever let things get this bad. We have zero guards who are even slightly above average D1 players at the moment. And most are below average. And Dickerson is truly awful. I liked how we started but having Dickerson in for a long stretch when we had the early lead was a killer decision by Ewing. Still, if we just make a few layups in the second half we may have been able to put a scare in them. Ah well - this season is all about growth - but bottom line is we need better players. A lot of them. Mulmore and Derrickson both picked up their 2nd fouls and had to be sat and the rest is history.
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Post by hoyavafan1 on Jan 13, 2018 14:08:42 GMT -5
Seton Hall is one of the top teams in the BE and we aren't. It's hard to win on the road. Govan has to be better, played soft today with Delgado guarding him exclusively. Marcus Derrickson has been a revaluation, he's been an ALL-Big East player in my opinion. Foul trouble also hurt Govan.
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Post by This Just In on Jan 13, 2018 14:09:26 GMT -5
The talent level disparity is truly amazing. How in the world did JTIII ever let things get this bad. We have zero guards who are even slightly above average D1 players at the moment. And most are below average. And Dickerson is truly awful. I liked how we started but having Dickerson in for a long stretch when we had the early lead was a killer decision by Ewing. Still, if we just make a few layups in the second half we may have been able to put a scare in them. Ah well - this season is all about growth - but bottom line is we need better players. A lot of them. No accountability until it was too late.
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Post by zxhoya on Jan 13, 2018 14:09:44 GMT -5
Did Pickett play in the 2nd half?
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Post by the_way on Jan 13, 2018 14:11:00 GMT -5
Like the new starting lineup. Should be this way from here on out.
We see flashes of what a Ewing team can do when we get leads on teams. Just not enough firepower to sustain and then keep up.
Not much more to say. This will be the probable outcome against the better teams in the league.
Teams that can shoot vs our team that can't shoot from the outside will lead to lopsided victories.
Tired of miami dolphin blue and black and white uniforms. More navy-blue away and gray at home.
Recruit, recruit, recruit. We need bigs, we need guards. we need forwards.
Most importantly we need guards (plural) that can dribble,hit shots from the outside, have enough lateral quickness, create their own shot, facilitate, and finish strong at the rack.
Ewing has his work cut out for him. Just seeing the way some of these teams play and shoot...man. Even if we recruit well, the Big East is no joke.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 14:12:13 GMT -5
After the 1st five minutes, Jessie was soundly outplayed by Delgado.
As obvious as our deficiencies are in the backcourt, Jessie can't give us a mediocre performance against a good team. (output, not effort)
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Post by This Just In on Jan 13, 2018 14:14:03 GMT -5
Did Pickett play in the 2nd half? Yes, grabbed 2 defensive rebounds in the 2nd half during Seton Hall's 7 consecutive missed shots
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 13, 2018 14:14:32 GMT -5
The Good - That first 8 minutes of offense with Jessie setting picks on the outside, Probe and pass if nothing was there, playing under control and taking good shots. - Mulmore played really well and was running the offense well. - Jessie now really knows he's not a great low post player now and tries to hone his outside game and realizes he must come back next year.
The Bad - Pat's substitutions. I get we are limited but you can't just auto bench one of your best players for long stretches just because he has 2 fouls. Mulmore didn't get enough run today either. - The 2H offense of leave of just feed the post and pray. I hope when they go back and watch the tape they see how effective the offense was at the beginning of the game and completely swith to it. - The complete lack of ability to finish near the rim that has plagued this team forever it seems like.
The Ugly Pickett, Kaleb, Dickerson and Jagan panicking and giving away the game. Pickett and Kaleb have lost their confidence and I am not sure it gets fixed this year. The other 2 guys just drive way too much and bad things usually happen as a result.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 13, 2018 14:14:35 GMT -5
Did Pickett play in the 2nd half? For a few mins.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 13, 2018 14:16:16 GMT -5
It fell apart in the first half when Trey Dickerson came in. We were up 13 and then down 17 (20plus pint swing)
We lose our size and length advantage when he comes in and he turns the ball over a lot, can't finish and isn't an outside threat.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 13, 2018 14:16:33 GMT -5
Did Pickett play in the 2nd half? Yes, grabbed 2 defensive rebounds in the 2nd half during Seton Hall's 7 consecutive missed shots But also committed yet another turnover, and missed another three. He did have a block or deflection helping on Delgado.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 13, 2018 14:17:18 GMT -5
Imo well coached teams aren't nearly as careless with the ball the way this team is..
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Post by prhoya on Jan 13, 2018 14:20:17 GMT -5
It fell apart in the first half when Trey Dickerson came in. We were up 13 and then down 17 (20plus pint swing) We lose our size and length advantage when he comes in and he turns the ball over a lot, can't finish and isn't an outside threat. Nothing to do with height. Dickerson is an erratic, not-BE caliber guard, playing against a #13-ranked team.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 13, 2018 14:20:50 GMT -5
I think it fair to remind everyone who was all in on Pickett based on his Kenner performance that what happens in Kenner usually stays in Kenner. I've been on this Board for five or more years and I always try to remind everyone not to get too excited about the performance of our recruits in the Kenner league. Yes Pickett has a nice looking shot but sadly you have to be able to do so much more at this level. What really shocks me is how little court sense he has. He telegraphs passes, has no idea where an open man is, plays awful defense, and generally waltzes through a possession. PE has obviously seen enough and has given up on starting him. I have a feeling that PE's success will be measured by how well he either develops or ditches guys like Pickett.
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Post by the_way on Jan 13, 2018 14:22:20 GMT -5
The talent level disparity is truly amazing. How in the world did JTIII ever let things get this bad. We have zero guards who are even slightly above average D1 players at the moment. And most are below average. And Dickerson is truly awful. I liked how we started but having Dickerson in for a long stretch when we had the early lead was a killer decision by Ewing. Still, if we just make a few layups in the second half we may have been able to put a scare in them. Ah well - this season is all about growth - but bottom line is we need better players. A lot of them. No accountability until it was too late. III didn't know what he was doing on the recruiting front. All he knew was the Princeton. Different method of recruiting. And that wasn't working even during his good years with the early exit with the tournaments. He was a fish out of water at that point. And kids see it. It wasn't even the Princeton offense that held us back. Kids come to schools with structure, a solid foundation and philosophy of how they play. Certain kids are going to play for Tony Bennett and have success. Certain kids were going to play for Bo Ryan and have success. Certain kids are going to play for Izzo, Coach K, Greg Marshall, Calapari and have success. III was unsure of himself. We were all over the place recruiting wise and on the court. Our rosters never looked consistent like the successful programs of college basketball. Having put forwards in the NBA was his saving grace in getting some talent in the frontcourt over the years. But most guards wouldn't want to come, and quite frankly were never a priority. Look at the rosters over the years. Last year was just bad. Peak should have never been our de facto PG. Same with DSR the year before. Bad recruiting forced us to make those moves. Chris Wright never fully developed because he was the primary (i.e., only) ballhandler for the majority of his career on the roster. It was baffling.
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Post by the_way on Jan 13, 2018 14:23:27 GMT -5
It fell apart in the first half when Trey Dickerson came in. We were up 13 and then down 17 (20plus pint swing) We lose our size and length advantage when he comes in and he turns the ball over a lot, can't finish and isn't an outside threat. We had no choice. Mulmore picked up his 2nd foul with plenty of time left in the 1st half.
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Post by zxhoya on Jan 13, 2018 14:24:04 GMT -5
It fell apart in the first half when Trey Dickerson came in. We were up 13 and then down 17 (20plus pint swing) We lose our size and length advantage when he comes in and he turns the ball over a lot, can't finish and isn't an outside threat. He's terrible but we didn't lose because Dickerson played. It's frustrating watching college basketball games, which I do as often as I can, because it's hard to find a team with as bad a guard contingent as the Hoyas have.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 13, 2018 14:25:13 GMT -5
The talent level disparity is truly amazing. How in the world did JTIII ever let things get this bad. Backcourt recruiting has lagged at Big Man U. for years. While GU chases after the fool's gold of seven footers (Chris Sodom immediately comes to mind, but there were others), Villanova practically established a recruiting office in DC and has picked off years of local guard talent. JT III banked on a senior season of Peak, Copeland, White, Campbell, and...well...you know the rest of the story. Seton Hall's four seniors combined for 47 points. Georgetown's two seniors combined for seven.
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Post by the_way on Jan 13, 2018 14:26:39 GMT -5
Imo well coached teams aren't nearly as careless with the ball the way this team is.. Do you think Coack K or Izzo would get more out of Dickerson and Mulmore?
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