hoya95
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Post by hoya95 on Jan 6, 2018 15:00:37 GMT -5
For people that want to reminisce about the days gone by, JTIII is on commentary for the DePaul vs St. John's game. Thought that had to be a mistake, but it's him all right. Considering he works for ESPN and this is a FOX broadcast, that's a little odd. I guess they're treating it like that Fox RSN sale has already gone through.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 15:00:37 GMT -5
Jeff Goodman is trolling Casual Hoya. ESPN's major college basketball reporter who has been demoted to the Lithuanian beat is literally trolling our trolly SBNation site. It's a feedback loop for terrible PR. Got heem...
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Post by mfk24 on Jan 6, 2018 15:01:27 GMT -5
A 3pt shooting contest just isn't the kind of game we're gonna win especially when their bigs can hit from 3 as well. We don't have firepower on our best day and on a poor shooting day, it got away from us. Interestingly Marquette (and Villanova) is also top 3 in 3point shooting and that was the other game that got away from us as well.
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Post by calhoya on Jan 6, 2018 15:04:26 GMT -5
Given the inconsistencies among the guards, Ewing has to just go with the two who are hurting the team the least. Today Dickerson was much better than Mulmore. It’s relative I realize but it is the hand that has been dealt. As for the freshmen, give them their playing time but recognize that they hurt as much as they help this time of year. Blair was horrible, taking shots from everywhere and shooting around 25%. Pickett also too quick to shoot and not playing enough defense. Kaleb has continued to be a workhorse but his offensive production is disappearing and the early 3 point success is fading into the past.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 6, 2018 15:06:26 GMT -5
I think we should slow down on the "talent" issue with Jagan, Blair, and Pickett. Cook, Wallace, Trawick, Clark, LJ...name almost everyone who is not Austin Freeman and they were not world beaters by any stretch their first year of significant minutes. These guys show flashes and they can and will develop. The talent issue is with the senior rentals who are low major guards and not even veterans of the team or offense. That's where we're struggling. I think the kenpom.com numbers pretty much make the opposite argument, except for about Dickerson. Check out the conference-only advanced stats on CB reference. Our low major guys did well against low majors. Not anymore. Meanwhile, Blair and Mosely are still net positives.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 6, 2018 15:09:30 GMT -5
Regardless of the reasons we stink, and I agree with most of them, it's just depressing watching this much awfulness. I watched Providence the other night, and they seemed pretty damn bad, but it still seems like on some nights everyone else, like they did with Xavier today, finds a way to win some good games. This is 3 years of just crappiness.
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 6, 2018 15:10:02 GMT -5
A 3pt shooting contest just isn't the kind of game we're gonna win especially when their bigs can hit from 3 as well. We don't have firepower on our best day and on a poor shooting day, it got away from us. Interestingly Marquette (and Villanova) is also top 3 in 3point shooting and that was the other game that got away from us as well. This points to something I've brought up in multiple game threads. All year the other team has got whatever shot they wanted. Luckily for us we played bad teams and they didn't take advantage. Our defense appeared way better than it actually was.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 6, 2018 15:13:48 GMT -5
A 3pt shooting contest just isn't the kind of game we're gonna win especially when their bigs can hit from 3 as well. We don't have firepower on our best day and on a poor shooting day, it got away from us. Interestingly Marquette (and Villanova) is also top 3 in 3point shooting and that was the other game that got away from us as well. This points to something I've brought up in multiple game threads. All year the other team has got whatever shot they wanted. Luckily for us we played bad teams and they didn't take advantage. Our defense appeared way better than it actually was. I think pretty much everyone knew that when we started playing decent teams, the wide open 3s were going in the basket. I had no illusions we were a good defensive team. From day 1, teams were getting wide open looks.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 6, 2018 15:21:19 GMT -5
A 3pt shooting contest just isn't the kind of game we're gonna win especially when their bigs can hit from 3 as well. We don't have firepower on our best day and on a poor shooting day, it got away from us. Interestingly Marquette (and Villanova) is also top 3 in 3point shooting and that was the other game that got away from us as well. This points to something I've brought up in multiple game threads. All year the other team has got whatever shot they wanted. Luckily for us we played bad teams and they didn't take advantage. Our defense appeared way better than it actually was. Agreed. All year we’ve been leaving people wide open because of bad rotations or positioning - the difference is that Alabama A&M type teams whiff most of the time anyway (covering the impact of our mistakes), whereas Creighton made us pay.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 6, 2018 15:22:50 GMT -5
A 3pt shooting contest just isn't the kind of game we're gonna win especially when their bigs can hit from 3 as well. We don't have firepower on our best day and on a poor shooting day, it got away from us. Interestingly Marquette (and Villanova) is also top 3 in 3point shooting and that was the other game that got away from us as well. This points to something I've brought up in multiple game threads. All year the other team has got whatever shot they wanted. Luckily for us we played bad teams and they didn't take advantage. Our defense appeared way better than it actually was. No they haven't. Toby Hegner (34%) from 22 is not the shot Creighton wants. But he hit 5/8. Davion Mintz has 2 threes in his first three conference games and 8 all year. He was 4/5 today. The rest of their (much better shooting) team was 7/23 from three. Our defense on Kenpom is 111th and 4th so far in conference. We're mediocre and we can't stop perimeter guys with great individual moves. But we aren't relying on random chance. Just because a team hits the shot doesn't mean it was the one they wanted. They just got the result they wanted.
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Post by mfk24 on Jan 6, 2018 15:33:07 GMT -5
This points to something I've brought up in multiple game threads. All year the other team has got whatever shot they wanted. Luckily for us we played bad teams and they didn't take advantage. Our defense appeared way better than it actually was. Agreed. All year we’ve been leaving people wide open because of bad rotations or positioning - the difference is that Alabama A&M type teams whiff most of the time anyway (covering the impact of our mistakes), whereas Creighton made us pay. Even some of the better teams have guys that you can sag off of at the 3point line because it's just not their game. When we played Butler for example, we didn't have to defend Wideman out to 3 so it allowed our bigs to be able to help and recover without worrying about that pass going back out to the perimeter. SHU's Delgado isn't a 3 PT shooter, the Johnnies struggle from deep as well. We're not good defensively but we are at our best when a big can help on dribble penetration, or hard show on a screen and recover. This got exploited big time because when the big helps, Hegner was wide open and knocked down his shots. There aren't a ton of teams that are gonna be able to do this but the ones that can are gonna blow us out unless we shoot well beyond our averages from deep.
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Post by calhoya on Jan 6, 2018 16:15:17 GMT -5
Maybe its time for Ewing to let Govan move outside for some of the 3s that others cannot hit. It might open the lane some for our over eager guards who are driving right into a crowd of bigs.
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 6, 2018 16:18:24 GMT -5
This points to something I've brought up in multiple game threads. All year the other team has got whatever shot they wanted. Luckily for us we played bad teams and they didn't take advantage. Our defense appeared way better than it actually was. No they haven't. Toby Hegner (34%) from 22 is not the shot Creighton wants. But he hit 5/8. Davion Mintz has 2 threes in his first three conference games and 8 all year. He was 4/5 today. The rest of their (much better shooting) team was 7/23 from three. Our defense on Kenpom is 111th and 4th so far in conference. We're mediocre and we can't stop perimeter guys with great individual moves. But we aren't relying on random chance. Just because a team hits the shot doesn't mean it was the one they wanted. They just got the result they wanted. Hegner shot 44% last year and after today is shooting 41%. Mintz is shooting 50% after today. I think they are more than OK with those shots just like I would be OK with Jessie taking wide open 3's if he got them. We just don't set up plays for that. As a team its not like they shot that far off their season average. If they shot average they would made 14 instead of 16. Considering the amount of wide open shots they got I would say they should've made a few more.
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Post by zxhoya on Jan 6, 2018 16:20:23 GMT -5
This points to something I've brought up in multiple game threads. All year the other team has got whatever shot they wanted. Luckily for us we played bad teams and they didn't take advantage. Our defense appeared way better than it actually was. No they haven't. Toby Hegner (34%) from 22 is not the shot Creighton wants. But he hit 5/8. Davion Mintz has 2 threes in his first three conference games and 8 all year. He was 4/5 today. The rest of their (much better shooting) team was 7/23 from three. Our defense on Kenpom is 111th and 4th so far in conference. We're mediocre and we can't stop perimeter guys with great individual moves. But we aren't relying on random chance. Just because a team hits the shot doesn't mean it was the one they wanted. They just got the result they wanted. Easy Giga, you're introducing too many facts.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 6, 2018 16:21:30 GMT -5
I guess the only facet of the game we did well at today was at the FT and perhaps rebounds. But when we have only one in double figures and Jessie and Marcus combine for 11 points, we lose. Plus the fact that we gave up 16 3s. Oh, well, we weren't supposed to be good this year.
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Post by playtyler on Jan 6, 2018 16:24:14 GMT -5
First post in a while. I have watched every game and was there today. I have been searching for a reason to think that Ewing was a good hire. I ask the good people of this board to let me know what you are seeing that is encouraging. People are saying we are running an uptempo offense. Maybe when compared to JT III. But, I don't see any tempo. No fast breaks, no secondary break (a la UNC), just a tired old traditional inside-out motion offense. The Syracuse and Butler games were just attrocious first-year coaching debacles. Though we did play well for the first 3/4 of both games. I have been paying particular attention to out of bounds, out of timeout, end of half and second half adjustments. I think this (along with end game) are where game coaching really comes into play. I have not seen a single play out of a timeout (actually there was one), end of half, set play or second half adjustment that has worked for us. I know we were not going to get Brad Stephens, but Ewing (and his staff) has brought nothing to the table. I know he struggled putting together a staff. So maybe he didn't get the right people. But, the horrendous inexcusable coaching is more painful for me to watch than anything. Because that is not going to get any better and we are going to have to suffer for years until we hire an actual head coach. This is no different than Esherick. Totally outmatched former player first-time head coach thrown into the Big East against real coaches. Please tell me a play or adjustment that we have made in a game. Just one. Syracuse and Butler (and almost Depaul) are inexcusable in themselves.
Aside from the remarkable lack of strategic coaching the substitutions have been a huge problem. A reason we have faded badly in Syracuse and Butler (aside from embarrassing in-game coaching) is fatigue. Jesse and Marcus have nothing left at the end of games. They need rest. Walker, Picket and Johnson can play 4 against most teams and rotate Govan and Darrickson at 5 some to get them both blows, so they have something left at the end of games.
This season is over. We have not and will not win a game against a good team all season. So we need to play the young guys. Mulmore should never play another minute. Blair, Mosely, Pickett, Walker should all get BIG minutes. They are the future of this team. Mulmore nothing. He doesn't defend. He doesn't create. I have never seen a Georgetown player score less with as many minutes as he has. He can't shoot or finish at the rim. He can't play any more. Walker was encouraging today. Pickett, as much as he is getting blasted today for his play (he should have fought over one screen that resulted in a three) he leads the team in threes made, and made a couple today. He is probably the player with the most upside on this team and needs to play. Blair is the best shooter on the team and Mosely plays hard and can finish at the rim (and had a 3 today). Every minute Mulmore plays reminds me that Ewing is an old school coach who likes the senior security blanket out there, when any analytics coach or coach who thinks about next year and beyond would be abandoning Mulmore for the young guys. Its time to turn to next season.
It really is too bad what has happened to our program. Just imagine a world with Peak, Copeland, White, Mourning and Campbell as seniors on this team with Tremont Waters as a Freshman to go with Darrickson Govan Mosely Johnson. That is a Sweet 16 team. It could have been this team, this year. Go ahead and trash Copeland or White and tell me that Peak had to leave. A great coach might have been able to keep that team together. I know Campbell and Mourning are hurt, they would be bit contributors anyway. Waters is the truth.
Please tell me I'm crazy. Tell me why you are encouraged by Ewing's coaching. What have you seen? Are we really playing uptempo? I know it is more than JTII, but I don't see any tempo, movement, etc. I fall back on if the Syracuse, Butler and Creighton coaches were coaching our guys and Ewing was coaching theirs, would those three games have gone differently. I think so, in all three cases.
I heard from a pretty good source that Shaka Smart really wanted the job. We had to do everything in our power to make that happen. Instead it was embarrassing disaster of a coaching search (don't forget how embarrassing that coaching search was with everyone turning us down publicly) that ended with a coach who is out of his depth. Patrick is the best Hoya ever. But that does not mean we owe him the next five years of our program. Esherick 2.0.
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 6, 2018 16:24:47 GMT -5
Maybe its time for Ewing to let Govan move outside for some of the 3s that others cannot hit. It might open the lane some for our over eager guards who are driving. Right into a crowd of bigs. AMEN!!! I've been calling for this. Pat just seems too focused on making him a down low post player. He's said so himself. If the goal is to make Jessie into an NBA player so he can hang his out on something then he should be letting Jessie shoot as many 3's as he wants. A perfect example of this is what Thomas Bryant has become. As college players Jessie and Thomas are very similar. Thomas is now averaging 5.8 3's per game in the D league and will likely get solid NBA rotation minutes next year if not this because of it. The game has changed and we need to take advantage of it considering Jessie has shown he can actually shoot.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 6, 2018 16:26:57 GMT -5
Creighton doesn't hit tough shots. They get and hit open shots. They can't beat our guys in 1v1 situations and every real with talent does. We could've had pretty much all the guys playing for Creighton if we offered them. For most Creighton was their best offer by far. So it's not that our last two coaches didn't want them, nobody good wanted them. I guess everyone here knows more than college coaches though. Also I will say our PGs suck and have no talent but I think there are things Pat could do that would be a better job of circumventing that problem which he's not. He seems to be doing this all very black and white. Big guys play low and small guys play not the perimeter. Almost like it was done when he was in the NBA and not like it's done now. They totally beat our guys 1on 1. That's how they got wide open shots. What I have noticed is that teams like Marquette and Creighton try to frustrate you with a dizzying amounts of extra passes then they bury you with the three. They are always looking for the open shot, preferably the three. So, two things they consistently do: ball movement leads to open looks; open looks lead to threes. It takes speed, patience, and a lot of confidence in your three-point shot. We have a ways to go to get there.
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Post by playtyler on Jan 6, 2018 16:27:57 GMT -5
Agreed. Govan is our best 3 point shooter. Modern basketball is all about ball movement, spacing and 3s. We do none of that.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 6, 2018 16:32:37 GMT -5
If teams focus on doubling Govan and Derrickson, I don't see how we win unless we have a good shooting night. Unfortunately, we are not stroking it. Our guard play is so poor. Need to upgrade talent.
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