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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 7:40:18 GMT -5
Tough loss tonight. I rewatched the game over again. Here's what the autopsy of the game says; Love Pickett and Blair's upside but Coach Ewing stuck with them way too long. They got a long long way to go. They both struggle mightily in the basics of help side Defense. There are several multiple plays where the ball moved across the court opposite of them and they were trees trunks. Didn't take even 1 step over to get closer to being in proper helpside position. They are also ball watchers on the defensive glass. For example on the last play in regulation where McDermott got the tip in. On the 3 pt shot by Baldwin, Derrickson turned identified both McDermott and Martin and made the proper decision to box out Martin which he did just inside the 3 pt arc. Pickett never looked to box out anyone, never moved until the ball hit the rim as McDermott crashed the glass from beyond the arc. I honestly don't think you can play them together on the court because the defense really struggles when they are on the court together. I understand Coach Ewing's thoughts on playing Pickett and Mulmore together against the Zone Defense as they probably show him in practice that they are the best perimeter threats. But by playing them when teams go zone he is allowing the opponents to dictate his lineup and then how to attack them on the offensive end based on their defensive tendencies. I also think Mosely is the better player offensively than Blair against the zone because of his ability to attack the gaps of the zone, shooting the floater or mid range. But more importantly he sticks to the game plan while Pickett and Blair are constantly hunting for shots meaning they search for and force quick shots outside of the offense instead of making sure that Govan or Derrickson get a touch in scoring positions on every possession. That is how the team built its huge lead in the first half against Butler and its 2nd half lead against Syracuse. On defense Mosely is very very good at being a helpside defender while also diving down and fighting for tough defensive rebounds. Pickett and Blair have a ton of upside but neither of them seem remotely interested in consistently fighting for defensive rebounds and are absolutely the worst players on this team in their Defensive helpside recognition. Walker is actually one of the best players on the team along with Derrickson, Govan, Johnson and Mosely. Mulmore is also good at helpside defense. Where he makes his mistakes is court awareness on the ball. Tonight he got in trouble when he went under screens guarding Baldwin. Baldwin recognized how he was being defended and would change direction effectively making it impossible for Mulmore as either Govan or Derrickson would be in his way if he tried to recover as they were sinking into the key to defend the rim, which was smart by the BIG's because Baldwin is not a shooter. If Mulmore stayed with Baldwin and fought over the top of the screens, he could have funneled Baldwin directly into 3 defenders. Derrickson did this right when guarding Martin but he got no help from Blair or Pickett who wouldn't move over to be in helpside position. Most of the time they just reached in. I lost track on how many times either Pickett or Blair left Derrickson racing to the rim to take away the dump off pass by Baldwin or Martin to Wideman for dunks when it wasn't Derrickson's helpside rotation. This film as well as the Syracuse game tells me that playing Blair and Pickett together in the lineup should be avoided at all cost if possible until they become better at their shot selection, helpside defenders, and defensive rebounders. Should only play one of them in any given lineup to minimize team errors and they improve their defensive limitations and shot selection. Speak! Nothing but the truth! Jessie was open everytime Mulmore came down the court and his eyes weren't even looking in the paint. As you know a point guard's first look should be in the post.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 7:41:37 GMT -5
mulmore made a couple big shots but he turned it over way too much and was absolutely torched by baldwin. if mulmore isn't playing defense, he isn't an asset on the floor. mosely had 0 TO's in 20 minutes. there is no excuse for not having him on the floor late in that game. Mosely was actually playing well, then he sat for toooooooo long. Dickerson also had no TO's, but his driving in the paint, should be shooting floaters.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 7:44:50 GMT -5
Yes but we have no timeouts at the end of games. Ewing uses his timeouts early to stop momentum changes, etc. III was criticized harshly for hoarding his timeout but you need alot of time outs to be able to do those kind of things at the end of games. Pretty sure we had TOs when the buzzer sounded all three times it sounded after the first half. Timeouts were not used when we needed especially when Pickett was on the ball at the top of the key. Jessie, again was open.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 7:46:52 GMT -5
Our guards have to provide sone outside scoring to open up the court. They also must take the shots they are given despite missing them. That's a tough dilemma. Coach said in the Spring that this season will be ugly and it is. But I like the style of play. As we acquire more experience and talent we will enjoy the games more. We need another center, skilled point guard, and a sniper. I still found the game exciting, and thought we played good defense. But like the Syracuse game, we couldn't stop the one or two men that needed to be stopped. They would not be denied. They definitely should be fearless and make better decisions on the ball. Jessie is our leader he should be getting the ball. Jessie needs to go to his guards and demand the ball period if they're not giving it to him when and where he wants the ball.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 7:48:03 GMT -5
Turnovers are slightly misleading too. We had 21, but could've easily had 5-6 more were it not for a bunch of lucky bounces following missed passes. The PG play was beyond sloppy. When you have these many turnovers you simply handed the game to your opponent. Sad. Guard play (erratic)
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 7:50:02 GMT -5
rookies get you beat. I'm surprised we were even in this game as Blair and Picket made multiple self inflicted mistakes at the end of regulation and end of both OTs. Launching 30 foot 3pters with time on the clock and nobody underneath. Turning the ball over on phantom fouls. alot of Hero Ball. But it's going to happen with freshmen. And it's a Process. They had no business with that ball in their hands at that point. It's your point guard's responsibility to go and get the ball and to make the best decision in a split second. WE don't have this right now.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 7:55:46 GMT -5
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 7:59:12 GMT -5
The crazy thing is we don't need some great PG like Tremont to run this offense. Sure it would be great to have but we just need someone who can dribble, stay in front of the opposing guy and feed the post. It's not like we are run PnR or dribble drive. To be honest I'm not sure what we are running but as long as the ball gets to the post good things happen. It's just poor decision making by inexperienced freshmen. Trying to dribble through 3 guys in the pack line D and something bad is going to happen whether you get hacked (no call) or not. You are looking for good shots with the clock winding down at the end of regulation. But the turnovers were self inflicted or poor shot selection (which essentially is a turnover). Oh, yes you "DO" need a Tremont Waters he's a true point guard!!! Great and true point guards make great decisions on the ball and are suppose to. This is part of their jobs. This is critical.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 7:59:57 GMT -5
The crazy thing is we don't need some great PG like Tremont to run this offense. Sure it would be great to have but we just need someone who can dribble, stay in front of the opposing guy and feed the post. It's not like we are run PnR or dribble drive. To be honest I'm not sure what we are running but as long as the ball gets to the post good things happen. I'm greedy and I want a crazy great PG like Tremont. SAY IT AGAIN!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 8:03:34 GMT -5
Nobody wanted the ball in crunch time. Jessie Govan was open so many times all I could do was yell out, "give Jessie the ball he's wide open." Mulmore does a veryyyyyyy poor job of not even looking in the post. He literally panicked. Jessie was picking and popping all night and didn't get the ball. He was open ALL THE TIME!!! Unbelievable. I couldn't believe Coach Ewing didn't enforce this. I'll tell you what JT3 was great at. He was pretty good st sensing when his team was shaky at crunch time to IMMEDIATELY call a timeout. When Pickett got the ball he should've called a timeout. When Juggy got the ball he should've immediately called a timeout. Jagan Mosely sat too damn long. He was playing well. Our go to guy is Jessie. Why doesn't Mulmore know this??? I'll answer my own question. Because he doesn't have a high basketball iq and he plays scared during crunch time. I did like the Hoyas fight. Coach Ewing screamed at Marcus for not calling a timeout. I think Coach Pat should've realized when these young kids are exhausted their minds slip. It's like their watching and trying to listen to what you're saying but they're drained. Well... Yes but we have no timeouts at the end of games. Ewing uses his timeouts early to stop momentum changes, etc. III was criticized harshly for hoarding his timeout but you need alot of time outs to be able to do those kind of things at the end of games. I was sitting right there 5 rows up from the court. Big as day the Hoyas had two timeouts and did not use them. One thing JTIII was good at recognizing when his team was in distress. He would "immediately" call a timeout to gather get his team's composure back up.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 8:11:05 GMT -5
I know Glide is like a broken record about it but this team desperately needs another PG for next year - and a good one. Yeah, we have McClung coming in. But we need another one, and preferably an efficient floor-general type. If that's Jagan Mosely, I don't know why he doesn't have the ball in his hands and we're letting Blair bumble games away. Someone like Tremont Waters would have iced this game in regulation. I have no idea who is available and who is out there for the 2018 class, but we really need someone who can run a play in the last minute of a game because it doesn't look like we have anyone like that on our roster right now, even though we have two guys who can take that last shot. Although the haters won't give me the thumbs up, when I see this it let's me know I'm correct LOL. Because if I wasn't correct they be coming at me in droves lmao. Anyways man, all jokes aside time and time again you're right. We could actually use two true point guards. Definitely always good to have a back up point guard, but on the immediate tip, we definitely need one for next season. You're right a true point guard like Tremont Waters would've iced this game in regulation and I said this to my boy MarkG during the game. JTIII had finally found what he needed for this season but I'll always blame some or most of our fans for his ouster in not knowing the role of a true point guard and how powerful a true point guard can be. BTW JTIII had finally read my blog, but by then it was too late.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 8:13:42 GMT -5
Well it should not be blamed on a lack of talent, but rather a lack of composure, something which has plagued this program for a couple of years. Many of the TOs are simply careless or out of control play by players who lose their focus. Again not a new development, nor anything unique to this program. I will not fault any player for trying too hard, but at some point a leader has to emerge who can settle this team down. As for Kaleb he does deserve some blame for his play. He is not a freshman. Kaleb contributed 5 offensive rebounds, missed his FTs , committed 4 fouls, 2 TOs and hit one shot from the field. On this team with these guards it is not enough. He has to provide more. Why not, you don't have a true point guard/floor general/coach on the court out there. This "HUGELY" hurts. I can't take it anymore. I know it's a new season, but I refuse to keep going to games and this organization doesn't get the fact that we ALWAYS needed a floor general.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 8:14:55 GMT -5
Hoyas need a point guard coach on that bench that knows what in the hell he or she's talking about. Some of the best point guard coaches out here are "women." That's right I said it, "women." Hahaa. So, #donthatetheplaya Thumbs up? LOL!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 8:15:36 GMT -5
rookies get you beat. I'm surprised we were even in this game as Blair and Picket made multiple self inflicted mistakes at the end of regulation and end of both OTs. Launching 30 foot 3pters with time on the clock and nobody underneath. Turning the ball over on phantom fouls. alot of Hero Ball. But it's going to happen with freshmen. And it's a Process. Yes, I agree.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 8:16:30 GMT -5
Just got back home, so I only saw some stats. How did the Hoyas lose this game: 80% from the FT line with more made than Butler, outrebounded Butler, 3 point % more than double Butler's., Jessie got his double-double, etc. twenty one turn overs is one reason. Actually, I'll take that as the biggest reason. ha! We simply handed the game to Butler.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 8:17:54 GMT -5
What Patrick will have done if at the end of the game a freshman takes two 3 pointers without passing the ball down in the blocks to him. I just cant imagine Absolutely correct. The ball should've been in our guards hands. I wish Jagan would've been in the game his first look is always in the post looking for Jessie or Marcus. Good catch bro.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 8:18:30 GMT -5
Overall, I am proud of our guys. I think they played a great game. Actually, I think we have exceeded expectations already. I mean, we put up a heck of a fight today, double overtime, relying heavily on a bevy of freshmen. As I have watched this team this year, the one thing I can say is that we have not played a terrible game, so far. Just trying to keep things in perspective amidst all of the over the top criticism. This thread would have double the pages already if this team were coached by III. Our coach has some work to do on how to position the team he has to close out games. Speak to me.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 28, 2017 8:20:33 GMT -5
Teams recognize that Govan and Derrickson are our two best offensive options. Defenses will sag to force our lesser options to beat us. We don't have a guard who can pull the defenses out or drive and dish to the bigs. That said, we are capable of playing good basketball- see Syracuse and Butler first halves.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 8:20:53 GMT -5
When Kaleb missed 2 FTs midway through the second half I said to my seatmate, that's the beginning of the end. . . IIRC, Butler took it to the hoop for a relatively easy layup, a four point swing. Pickett looked really dejected at the end of the game. yes, he did before the game was over he looked up in the stands and kicked at the air as if he were kicking sand on the beach. Poor kid. Hope someone talks to him to lift his spirits back up because his spirits when to low level after that poor freshman decision he made.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 8:21:42 GMT -5
Teams recognize that Govan and Derrickson are our two best offensive options. Defenses will sag to force our lesser options to beat us. We don't have a guard who can pull the defenses out or drive and dish to the bigs. That said, we are capable of playing good basketball- see Syracuse and. Butler first halves. Good to have guards to recognize this. Can't wait until we get this going. Absolutely.
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