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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 27, 2017 23:27:30 GMT -5
"Butler has not turned it over in the last 10 minutes of this game" stat of the night Because they were in attack mode great coaching over there.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 27, 2017 23:28:53 GMT -5
Govan needs to take over. His teammates weren't even looking for Jessie after he posted up time and time again.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 27, 2017 23:29:28 GMT -5
TC, he is not a volume shooter, but he has the confidence to take the shots he is given. He's a confident player, somehow he reminds me of Rod Strickland, formerly of Portland, Knicks and Wizards. Time will tell. I don't believe I talk in code.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 27, 2017 23:32:57 GMT -5
How we just dont feed the post every time is baffling. Our 2 best players by far are down there. THIS IS THE TRUTH. JESSIE WAS OPEN ALL NIGHT LONG. SMH GUARDS, SAD! NOT ONE deleted BOUNCE PASS INTO THE POST. jAGAN does this well. sorry for the caps ..
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 27, 2017 23:34:43 GMT -5
I think coach realizes a lot of thinks including players have to play. He's not on the floor. He needs a coach in the floor, as many say.. a point guard. I believe with this style of play, we will get a great point guard. Would be nice to get Moses Brown and the Cole kid. They would be nice acquisitions. Coach is building a team in his image, it takes time, talent and growing pains to get chemistry and cohesion. He coaching them hard, and they will grow. I love it. A true point guard that is. Old news though, but true.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 27, 2017 23:38:19 GMT -5
Well it should not be blamed on a lack of talent, but rather a lack of composure, something which has plagued this program for a couple of years. Many of the TOs are simply careless or out of control play by players who lose their focus. Again not a new development, nor anything unique to this program. I will not fault any player for trying too hard, but at some point a leader has to emerge who can settle this team down. As for Kaleb he does deserve some blame for his play. He is not a freshman. Kaleb contributed 5 offensive rebounds, missed his FTs , committed 4 fouls, 2 TOs and hit one shot from the field. On this team with these guards it is not enough. He has to provide more. Amen.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 27, 2017 23:38:57 GMT -5
Nobody wanted the ball in crunch time. Jessie Govan was open so many times all I could do was yell out, "give Jessie the ball he's wide open." Mulmore does a veryyyyyyy poor job of not even looking in the post. He literally panicked. Jessie was picking and popping all night and didn't get the ball. He was open ALL THE TIME!!! Unbelievable. I couldn't believe Coach Ewing didn't enforce this. I'll tell you what JT3 was great at. He was pretty good st sensing when his team was shaky at crunch time to IMMEDIATELY call a timeout. When Pickett got the ball he should've called a timeout. When Juggy got the ball he should've immediately called a timeout. Jagan Mosely sat too damn long. He was playing well. Our go to guy is Jessie. Why doesn't Mulmore know this??? I'll answer my own question. Because he doesn't have a high basketball iq and he plays scared during crunch time. I did like the Hoyas fight. Coach Ewing screamed at Marcus for not calling a timeout. I think Coach Pat should've realized when these young kids are exhausted their minds slip. It's like their watching and trying to listen to what you're saying but they're drained. Well... Yes but we have no timeouts at the end of games. Ewing uses his timeouts early to stop momentum changes, etc. III was criticized harshly for hoarding his timeout but you need alot of time outs to be able to do those kind of things at the end of games. Hoyas had two timeouts, I kept looking the scoreboard saying to myself when Pickett got the ball in doubt ot call a timeout. I'd have to say JT3 was good at detecting when the momentum doesn't feel right.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 27, 2017 23:40:56 GMT -5
Turnovers are slightly misleading too. We had 21, but could've easily had 5-6 more were it not for a bunch of lucky bounces following missed passes. The PG play was beyond sloppy. smh 21 smh
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 27, 2017 23:41:17 GMT -5
PR, that is true, a leader has to emerge on this team. Someone who is outspoken, talks the talk and walks the walk..delivers. Patrick says Jagan is a team leader...I believe him, just wish he could shoot. That would help immensely. He will keep developing especially since Russell Westbrook is his role model as a player.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 27, 2017 23:42:14 GMT -5
Blair needs to work on his dribble, the guy can not dribble. It's more about passing the ball instead of trying to run through 3 defenders with your dribble. That should come with experience. Pickett did the same but Ewing should've called a timeout he had two left. smh
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 27, 2017 23:43:22 GMT -5
PR, that is true, a leader has to emerge. ppt That leader should be your big man and Jessie is that leader our guards weren't/aren't smart enough to recognize this. I mean Ewing didn't see this? wtf?
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 27, 2017 23:44:22 GMT -5
Something like Martin and Baldwin... 27 and 31 pts... The difference between guards and bigs. Marcus and Jessie need to be fed the ball while Baldwin and Martin can create off the bounce. Jessie and Marcus would have gotten those type of numbers if they would have been fed more in the 2nd half when Butler was making their run.... Blame our guards and...no comment smh
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 27, 2017 23:47:15 GMT -5
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 27, 2017 23:47:38 GMT -5
#Butler trending #1 and Hoyas #2 smh
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 28, 2017 0:01:40 GMT -5
Actually on TV they were saying he wasn't a true point guard. That he was a scoring guard, not a real point. Well, no disrespect they were wrong. Anytime you see a guard attacking and shooting floater, dishing the ball and making not good, but great decisions on the ball that's what true point guards do. He showed us tonight he was a true as they come. Does that mean Kelan Martin is a true pg too? He had more assists & less turnovers than Baldwin.. He attacked, shot the floater and made great decisions with the ball in his hands..
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 28, 2017 0:08:12 GMT -5
I know many are asking why did Patrick have Blair with the ball in his hands at the end and why was Pickett allowed to take those 3's early in the clock and no be taken out right away? I said early on that the Hoyas this year would rely on freshmen(Blair and Picket) to be their 3pt threats and that has pretty much been the case. What I have liked about Patrick is he is encouraging these two players to keep being aggressive and to keep taking those shots. The shots are not falling right now but Patrick knows that they have the ability to consistently hit those shots and that accuracy will come with experience. I know it hurts to lose these games with these two making those freshmen mistakes, but there are no other real options. This team is not going to make the NCAA this year but by season end both will not be making those same mistakes or same misses. Mulmore and Moseley have little confidence in their 3pt stroke and are reluctant to pull the trigger. Kaleb too has little confidence in his stroke. Patrick seems to like players who have the ability to make plays and are not afraid to try. I wish Mulmore had worked relentless on his 3pt shot over the summer and his left hand dribble because I like his BB acumen when he is in the game. I can not believe that Dickerson played BB on the streets of New York. The analogy of him being like your little brother you brought to a varsity game is right on. His defense is atrocious( Baldwin abused him repeatedly) Patrick was forced to take what he could get at the pg position this year and it shows. Hopefully the nationally televised Syracuse game and the remaining games on Fox will help recruit that 3-4 star pg that love to lead this team next year. In the mean time let's enjoy the maturation of Blair, Pickett Moseley and Walker.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 28, 2017 0:34:47 GMT -5
I know many are asking why did Patrick have Blair with the ball in his hands at the end and why was Pickett allowed to take those 3's early in the clock and no be taken out right away? I said early on that the Hoyas this year would rely on freshmen(Blair and Picket) to be their 3pt threats and that has pretty much been the case. What I have liked about Patrick is he is encouraging these two players to keep being aggressive and to keep taking those shots. The shots are not falling right now but Patrick knows that they have the ability to consistently hit those shots and that accuracy will come with experience. I know it hurts to lose these games with these two making those freshmen mistakes, but there are no other real options. This team is not going to make the NCAA this year but by season end both will not be making those same mistakes or same misses. Mulmore and Moseley have little confidence in their 3pt stroke and are reluctant to pull the trigger. Kaleb too has little confidence in his stroke. Patrick seems to like players who have the ability to make plays and are not afraid to try. I wish Mulmore had worked relentless on his 3pt shot over the summer and his left hand dribble because I like his BB acumen when he is in the game. I can not believe that Dickerson played BB on the streets of New York. The analogy of him being like your little brother you brought to a varsity game is right on. His defense is atrocious( Baldwin abused him repeatedly) Patrick was forced to take what he could get at the pg position this year and it shows. Hopefully the nationally televised Syracuse game and the remaining games on Fox will help recruit that 3-4 star pg that love to lead this team next year. In the mean time let's enjoy the maturation of Blair, Pickett Moseley and Walker. Totally agree. We have zero guards or wings that technically should be playing in crunch time. We just have ones that do. In short, we are looking very 2003 in personnel except we likely won't sneak into the NIT and run to the finals. But we are not hopeless. It's tough to watch Brandon Bowman...I mean Jamorko Pickett...make mistakes but we need him to learn. Butler largely told two guys to just abuse us and they did. We have zero guys who can do that to anyone else. Our 1-3 positions are all youth and rental players. It's not ideal but that's our team. You don't lose 25 of your last 32 BE games without structural issues and we have to solve those. It won't take one year.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 28, 2017 4:01:29 GMT -5
Tough loss tonight. I rewatched the game over again. Here's what the autopsy of the game says; Love Pickett and Blair's upside but Coach Ewing stuck with them way too long. They got a long long way to go. They both struggle mightily in the basics of help side Defense. There are several multiple plays where the ball moved across the court opposite of them and they were trees trunks. Didn't take even 1 step over to get closer to being in proper helpside position. They are also ball watchers on the defensive glass. For example on the last play in regulation where McDermott got the tip in. On the 3 pt shot by Baldwin, Derrickson turned identified both McDermott and Martin and made the proper decision to box out Martin which he did just inside the 3 pt arc. Pickett never looked to box out anyone, never moved until the ball hit the rim as McDermott crashed the glass from beyond the arc. I honestly don't think you can play them together on the court because the defense really struggles when they are on the court together.
I understand Coach Ewing's thoughts on playing Pickett and Blair together against the Zone Defense as they probably show him in practice that they are the best perimeter threats. But by playing them when teams go zone he is allowing the opponents to dictate his lineup and then how to attack them on the offensive end based on their defensive tendencies. I also think Mosely is the better player offensively than Blair against the zone because of his ability to attack the gaps of the zone, shooting the floater or mid range. But more importantly he sticks to the game plan while Pickett and Blair are constantly hunting for shots meaning they search for and force quick shots outside of the offense instead of making sure that Govan or Derrickson get a touch in scoring positions on every possession. That is how the team built its huge lead in the first half against Butler and its 2nd half lead against Syracuse.
On defense Mosely is very very good at being a helpside defender while also diving down and fighting for tough defensive rebounds. Pickett and Blair have a ton of upside but neither of them seem remotely interested in consistently fighting for defensive rebounds and are absolutely the worst players on this team in their Defensive helpside recognition. Walker is actually one of the best players on the team along with Derrickson, Govan, Johnson and Mosely. Mulmore is also good at helpside defense. Where he makes his mistakes is court awareness on the ball. Tonight he got in trouble when he went under screens guarding Baldwin. Baldwin recognized how he was being defended and would change direction effectively making it impossible for Mulmore as either Govan or Derrickson would be in his way if he tried to recover as they were sinking into the key to defend the rim, which was smart by the BIG's because Baldwin is not a shooter. If Mulmore stayed with Baldwin and fought over the top of the screens, he could have funneled Baldwin directly into 3 defenders. Derrickson did this right when guarding Martin but he got no help from Blair or Pickett who wouldn't move over to be in helpside position. Most of the time they just reached in. I lost track on how many times either Pickett or Blair left Derrickson racing to the rim to take away the dump off pass by Baldwin or Martin to Wideman for dunks when it wasn't Derrickson's helpside rotation.
This film as well as the Syracuse game tells me that playing Blair and Pickett together in the lineup should be avoided at all cost if possible until they become better at their shot selection, helpside defenders, and defensive rebounders. Should only play one of them in any given lineup to minimize team errors and they improve their defensive limitations and shot selection.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 28, 2017 6:15:07 GMT -5
mulmore made a couple big shots but he turned it over way too much and was absolutely torched by baldwin. if mulmore isn't playing defense, he isn't an asset on the floor. mosely had 0 TO's in 20 minutes. there is no excuse for not having him on the floor late in that game.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 7:37:12 GMT -5
Well, no disrespect they were wrong. Anytime you see a guard attacking and shooting floater, dishing the ball and making not good, but great decisions on the ball that's what true point guards do. He showed us tonight he was a true as they come. Does that mean Kelan Martin is a true pg too? He had more assists & less turnovers than Baldwin.. He attacked, shot the floater and made great decisions with the ball in his hands.. As Kelan up he probably played the point guard position or had point guard skills. Sometimes you even see big that keep do all of this but have out grown this point guard position. Look at KD, Harden, Anthony Davis, the Sixers kid I forget his name and some of the other forwards in the league and in college hoops. These you would call "point forwards" because they have these point guard skills. It's all about skill and smarts. Kelan as you can see is a "pro" and has a very high basketball iq. He was smart enough to know we had a lot of youngins on the court tonight. he knows the NBA is looking at him so he's turnt up on another level. I always love this kids game. He's amazing. I wish he wasn't so amazing last night EtomicB thanks for asking bro...
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