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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 15, 2018 22:29:07 GMT -5
So St. Johnsy. Time for Mullin to step away before this gets uglier. Mullin’s been a disaster from the get-go.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 16, 2018 4:33:02 GMT -5
I doubt the salary structure at Georgetown is what they are looking for.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 16, 2018 6:36:52 GMT -5
So St. Johnsy. Time for Mullin to step away before this gets uglier. Mullin’s been a disaster from the get-go. Success without roster stability is so difficult. How many players have they recruited that weren’t available on game day or didn’t stick around. That should be a lesson for us.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Mar 16, 2018 7:30:10 GMT -5
Agree that roster stability is a must and St John’s is at a critical point right now.
Having said that Tariq Owens’ departure at this point is NOT a sign of disfunction. He stuck with the program and is within his right to explore options.
Let’s see what happens. I actually think there’s still a reasonably good chance Mullins keeps it together for next season. Obviously depends a lot upon Ponds. I’m betting he returns FWIW.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 16, 2018 7:48:08 GMT -5
Agree that roster stability is a must and St John’s is at a critical point right now. Having said that Tariq Owens’ departure at this point is NOT a sign of disfunction. He stuck with the program and is within his right to explore options. Let’s see what happens. I actually think there’s still a reasonably good chance Mullins keeps it together for next season. Obviously depends a lot upon Ponds. I’m betting he returns FWIW. I don't think Ponds is ready for the NBA yet, but I would be surprised if he doesn't at least explore his options in the league and go on a few pre-draft workouts. If some team decides it really likes him and makes him a promise to be a first round pick, he will be gone, and you can't really blame the kid. I don't think he will get that promise so he may very well be back next year
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 16, 2018 10:06:29 GMT -5
Agree that roster stability is a must and St John’s is at a critical point right now. Having said that Tariq Owens’ departure at this point is NOT a sign of disfunction. He stuck with the program and is within his right to explore options. Let’s see what happens. I actually think there’s still a reasonably good chance Mullins keeps it together for next season. Obviously depends a lot upon Ponds. I’m betting he returns FWIW. Agree about Owens. Roster instability happens for all sorts of reasons. IMO, one of the worst things that happened to our program was that Otto bloomed so rapidly and left after 2 years. We didn’t have the depth we needed. And then when Whitt and others fell out we were left chasing our tails without enough quality pieces to solve the puzzle. The problem persists to this day. We were a quality ball handling guard short of a good season.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 16, 2018 10:08:13 GMT -5
Mullin’s been a disaster from the get-go. Success without roster stability is so difficult. How many players have they recruited that weren’t available on game day or didn’t stick around. That should be a lesson for us. Nailed it. Mullin's biggest failure has been keeping his roster intact. He can attract talent, but he cannot retain it. Not sure why that is, but the turnover is not healthy. I assume Owens thinks he can play his 30 minutes a game in a more productive way - I would not disagree with that assessment. I always thought he looked like a kid that should be able to do more than he was being asked.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 16, 2018 10:10:53 GMT -5
Success without roster stability is so difficult. How many players have they recruited that weren’t available on game day or didn’t stick around. That should be a lesson for us. Nailed it. Mullin's biggest failure has been keeping his roster intact. He can attract talent, but he cannot retain it. Not sure why that is, but the turnover is not healthy. I assume Owens thinks he can play his 30 minutes a game in a more productive way - I would not disagree with that assessment. I always thought he looked like a kid that should be able to do more than he was being asked. I think he has taken a bunch of risks and many have not fallen the way he hoped.
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Post by McBricks on Mar 16, 2018 15:43:17 GMT -5
Also, SJU as a college just can't offer what others can as the whole experience. They haven't had success in a really long time as a team/program. Then you look at the campus and it can't compare to either elite basketball schools or even elite educational institutions. People say, "but it's in NYC and they play at MSG." Sure, that's true. But Jamaica, Queens isn't exactly hopping. And MSG? I know old timers think of it as the "world's most famous arena," but the Knicks and the Garden haven't been in anyone's conversation in a long time as well. Just about every decent team out there gets to play in NBA arenas at least a few times a season. So that's probably enough. Playing in a great on-campus arena that's pumping during every game has to be preferred.
Just the fact that Mullin can get and keep anyone is pretty amazing really. Other schools just have so much more to offer.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 20, 2018 10:40:23 GMT -5
Some chatter among AAU types that UCONN back to the Big East could happen in the next few years... There is also the possibility that UConn could re-join the Big East down the road, which has a been a rumor for some time now. That would obviously help whoever is the next UConn coach because he can pitch playing at Madison Square Garden and against the likes of Villanova, Georgetown, St. John’s and Seton Hall locally, instead of going to places like Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane and UCF. “I’ve heard talk for years about them getting back into the Big East and that would help tremendously,” Chavannes said. “There’s talk that that could happen in the next few years and that would obviously be a great, great thing for him.” www.zagsblog.com/2018/03/20/dan-hurley-would-be-a-recruiting-force-at-uconn-or-pitt-college-high-school-and-aau-coaches-say/
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Post by drquigley on Mar 20, 2018 11:29:25 GMT -5
Also, SJU as a college just can't offer what others can as the whole experience. They haven't had success in a really long time as a team/program. Then you look at the campus and it can't compare to either elite basketball schools or even elite educational institutions. People say, "but it's in NYC and they play at MSG." Sure, that's true. But Jamaica, Queens isn't exactly hopping. And MSG? I know old timers think of it as the "world's most famous arena," but the Knicks and the Garden haven't been in anyone's conversation in a long time as well. Just about every decent team out there gets to play in NBA arenas at least a few times a season. So that's probably enough. Playing in a great on-campus arena that's pumping during every game has to be preferred. Just the fact that Mullin can get and keep anyone is pretty amazing really. Other schools just have so much more to offer. My problem with Mullins is the fact that his teams, while loaded with talent (ergo the Nova and Duke upsets) just didn't have the discipline to play consistent, 40 minute basketball. Our games against them were perfect examples of this. First two games they blew leads, committed stupid fouls, and generally played out of control, especially at crunch time. Last game they played against us they played under control because they were obviously embarrassed by the first two losses and actually kept their heads in the game. I blame this on Mullins. It has been a hallmark of his SJU teams. Compare him to Calipari. Calipari gets tremendously talented athletes but doesn't allow them to revert to playground ball. He takes these thoroughbreds and breaks them to his system. Mullins never seems to be able to do that. Notice the ugly scenes after their loss in the BET. To me it was a sign of how immature and selfish they were all year.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 20, 2018 11:33:44 GMT -5
Some chatter among AAU types that UCONN back to the Big East could happen in the next few years... There is also the possibility that UConn could re-join the Big East down the road, which has a been a rumor for some time now. That would obviously help whoever is the next UConn coach because he can pitch playing at Madison Square Garden and against the likes of Villanova, Georgetown, St. John’s and Seton Hall locally, instead of going to places like Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane and UCF. “I’ve heard talk for years about them getting back into the Big East and that would help tremendously,” Chavannes said. “There’s talk that that could happen in the next few years and that would obviously be a great, great thing for him.” www.zagsblog.com/2018/03/20/dan-hurley-would-be-a-recruiting-force-at-uconn-or-pitt-college-high-school-and-aau-coaches-say/I'd love to have UCONN back. Drew huge crowds and definitely helped the BE brand. BUT, I don't see it happening as long as they have dreams of D1 football. BE learned its lesson and would be crazy to welcome them back before they dropped D! football (which they probably never will). Also, adding another team would start down the road to split schedules, which is awful.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 20, 2018 11:53:40 GMT -5
Also, SJU as a college just can't offer what others can as the whole experience. They haven't had success in a really long time as a team/program. Then you look at the campus and it can't compare to either elite basketball schools or even elite educational institutions. People say, "but it's in NYC and they play at MSG." Sure, that's true. But Jamaica, Queens isn't exactly hopping. And MSG? I know old timers think of it as the "world's most famous arena," but the Knicks and the Garden haven't been in anyone's conversation in a long time as well. Just about every decent team out there gets to play in NBA arenas at least a few times a season. So that's probably enough. Playing in a great on-campus arena that's pumping during every game has to be preferred. Just the fact that Mullin can get and keep anyone is pretty amazing really. Other schools just have so much more to offer. My problem with Mullins is the fact that his teams, while loaded with talent (ergo the Nova and Duke upsets) just didn't have the discipline to play consistent, 40 minute basketball. Our games against them were perfect examples of this. First two games they blew leads, committed stupid fouls, and generally played out of control, especially at crunch time. Last game they played against us they played under control because they were obviously embarrassed by the first two losses and actually kept their heads in the game. I blame this on Mullins. It has been a hallmark of his SJU teams. Compare him to Calipari. Calipari gets tremendously talented athletes but doesn't allow them to revert to playground ball. He takes these thoroughbreds and breaks them to his system. Mullins never seems to be able to do that. Notice the ugly scenes after their loss in the BET. To me it was a sign of how immature and selfish they were all year. To be fair St. John's played 5 kids 32+ minutes in conference season, the next highest kid(Trimble) didn't even break 20.. They weren't loaded with talent imo.. Ponds got crazy hot which helped them to get some nice wins..
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 20, 2018 12:06:09 GMT -5
Some chatter among AAU types that UCONN back to the Big East could happen in the next few years... There is also the possibility that UConn could re-join the Big East down the road, which has a been a rumor for some time now. That would obviously help whoever is the next UConn coach because he can pitch playing at Madison Square Garden and against the likes of Villanova, Georgetown, St. John’s and Seton Hall locally, instead of going to places like Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane and UCF. “I’ve heard talk for years about them getting back into the Big East and that would help tremendously,” Chavannes said. “There’s talk that that could happen in the next few years and that would obviously be a great, great thing for him.” www.zagsblog.com/2018/03/20/dan-hurley-would-be-a-recruiting-force-at-uconn-or-pitt-college-high-school-and-aau-coaches-say/I'd love to have UCONN back. Drew huge crowds and definitely helped the BE brand. BUT, I don't see it happening as long as they have dreams of D1 football. BE learned its lesson and would be crazy to welcome them back before they dropped D! football (which they probably never will). Also, adding another team would start down the road to split schedules, which is awful. Maybe if as part of the announcement they discontinued their Div 1 football team....
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 20, 2018 12:48:03 GMT -5
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Tariq Owens is expected to get his release from St. John's today, a source tells @247sports. Maryland will be on Owens' short list, and he'll also consider returning to St. John's.
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Post by justsaying on Mar 20, 2018 12:50:27 GMT -5
I'd love to have UCONN back. Drew huge crowds and definitely helped the BE brand. BUT, I don't see it happening as long as they have dreams of D1 football. BE learned its lesson and would be crazy to welcome them back before they dropped D! football (which they probably never will). Also, adding another team would start down the road to split schedules, which is awful. Maybe if as part of the announcement they discontinued their Div 1 football team.... No football Yes, Football No.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 20, 2018 13:20:40 GMT -5
Some chatter among AAU types that UCONN back to the Big East could happen in the next few years... There is also the possibility that UConn could re-join the Big East down the road, which has a been a rumor for some time now. That would obviously help whoever is the next UConn coach because he can pitch playing at Madison Square Garden and against the likes of Villanova, Georgetown, St. John’s and Seton Hall locally, instead of going to places like Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane and UCF. “I’ve heard talk for years about them getting back into the Big East and that would help tremendously,” Chavannes said. “There’s talk that that could happen in the next few years and that would obviously be a great, great thing for him.” www.zagsblog.com/2018/03/20/dan-hurley-would-be-a-recruiting-force-at-uconn-or-pitt-college-high-school-and-aau-coaches-say/That would be terrific, 20 game conference round robin schedule, adding back a Northeast team and rival! I am sure they would not drop football, they would probably stick the team in the MAC. Navy is a football-only member of the AAC. I am sure the AAC would be very upset if UConn left, and initially not allow them to remain a football-only member. But after a few years in the MAC, emotions would fade and I could see Uconn returning as a football-only member. The BE would just have to put in a clause that they would basically be entitled to all of UConn's football revenue for the next 10 years if they left the BE for the ACC. Speaking of which, don't underestimate the vindictive ACC coming in and taking UConn just to spite the BE. BC would have to choose between denying UConn and going with the rest of the conference or screwing over the BE.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 20, 2018 13:28:35 GMT -5
Speaking of which, don't underestimate the vindictive ACC coming in and taking UConn just to spite the BE. BC would have to choose between denying UConn and going with the rest of the conference or screwing over the BE. I just don't know that there's much appetite for expansion at the moment. Connecticut has practically been begging for an offer to join the ACC and have not received one - there's no reason the ACC would make that offer now. I really don't think there's any incentive to "screw over" the Big East. I don't even think getting Connecticut screws over the Big East anyway. If UConn went into the ACC they'd basically be one of many schools, and likely to struggle to get their footing back in that conference, which will almost always be dominated by Duke and UNC. Still, I would happily take Connecticut if it was only Connecticut. I like the size of the league, and 11 would still allow for round robin (I believe the ACC or Big 10 or both are going to a 20 game schedule anyway).
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Post by McBricks on Mar 21, 2018 15:08:00 GMT -5
Also, SJU as a college just can't offer what others can as the whole experience. They haven't had success in a really long time as a team/program. Then you look at the campus and it can't compare to either elite basketball schools or even elite educational institutions. People say, "but it's in NYC and they play at MSG." Sure, that's true. But Jamaica, Queens isn't exactly hopping. And MSG? I know old timers think of it as the "world's most famous arena," but the Knicks and the Garden haven't been in anyone's conversation in a long time as well. Just about every decent team out there gets to play in NBA arenas at least a few times a season. So that's probably enough. Playing in a great on-campus arena that's pumping during every game has to be preferred. Just the fact that Mullin can get and keep anyone is pretty amazing really. Other schools just have so much more to offer. My problem with Mullins is the fact that his teams, while loaded with talent (ergo the Nova and Duke upsets) just didn't have the discipline to play consistent, 40 minute basketball. Our games against them were perfect examples of this. First two games they blew leads, committed stupid fouls, and generally played out of control, especially at crunch time. Last game they played against us they played under control because they were obviously embarrassed by the first two losses and actually kept their heads in the game. I blame this on Mullins. It has been a hallmark of his SJU teams. Compare him to Calipari. Calipari gets tremendously talented athletes but doesn't allow them to revert to playground ball. He takes these thoroughbreds and breaks them to his system. Mullins never seems to be able to do that. Notice the ugly scenes after their loss in the BET. To me it was a sign of how immature and selfish they were all year. Are you comparing the SJU program and the Kentucky program? Calipari gets his pick (right or wrong) of the top 10 players every year. Players want to play there (and likely get paid well to do so) because they get a great shot at the NBA. Mullin is lucky if he can get anyone. That was kinda my point.
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