puthath
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Post by puthath on Mar 22, 2019 18:51:04 GMT -5
This is the same guy who was pushing Devin Nunes' nonsense for the past two years. Keep relitigating 2016. You’re on a roll. Elvado, you do not understand. The leftists screamed for three years that Trump was a Russian agent, traitor, colluder, blah, blah, blah. Now, they are in the Emily Litella “never mind” mode.
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Post by puthath on Mar 22, 2019 18:54:45 GMT -5
So if the report concludes the President did not collude or obstruct Justice, this is good news, right? Yes.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 23, 2019 6:46:18 GMT -5
Per my previous point on non-prosecutions in foreign counterintelligence investigations: John Sipher, a former CIA officer who ran agency operations in Russia, said that counterintelligence investigations — which is how the Russia probe began — rarely lead to criminal charges, because they are largely intended to piece together information carefully and professionally hidden by foreign intelligence professionals. “We are looking for a clean, legal answer — and it is something that is rare in these kind of cases,” he said. “What we have seen so far is already ugly, despicable, unpatriotic and unethical. However, by bluster, lies and attacking the system [Trump] has convinced a large minority of people that anything short of an arrest means that he is totally innocent and nothing happened.” www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-the-center-of-muellers-inquiry-a-campaign-that-appeared-to-welcome-russias-help/2019/03/22/9e8d279e-259e-11e9-90cd-dedb0c92dc17_story.html?utm_term=.05c79395adb3(N.B. Countering a foreign counterintelligence threat may be as simple as withdrawing a security clearance. See e.g., Kushner, Jared (but it fails when because of violation of nepotism rules, the President reinstates said clearance). Regarding Mueller's view of his jurisdiction and cases/investigations spunoff to various USAO or other DOJ components: It’s possible, for example, that Mueller is not proceeding against certain defendants other than the president because he has referred them to other prosecutorial offices; some of these referrals are already public, and it’s reasonable to expect there may be other referrals too. In this iteration, what is ending here is not the investigation, merely the portion of the investigation Mueller chose to retain for himself. It’s possible also that Mueller is finished because he has determined that while the evidence would support a prosecution of the president, he is bound by the Justice Department’s long-standing position that the president is not amenable to criminal process. On the obstruction front, he may well have concluded that, while the president acted to obstruct the investigation, he cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the president’s obstructive acts were not exercises of Trump’s Article II powers. It’s also possible that Mueller has strong prudential reasons for not proceeding with otherwise viable cases. www.lawfareblog.com/very-quick-thoughts-end-mueller-investigation
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Post by puthath on Mar 23, 2019 8:58:30 GMT -5
Per my previous point on non-prosecutions in foreign counterintelligence investigations: John Sipher, a former CIA officer who ran agency operations in Russia, said that counterintelligence investigations — which is how the Russia probe began — rarely lead to criminal charges, because they are largely intended to piece together information carefully and professionally hidden by foreign intelligence professionals. “We are looking for a clean, legal answer — and it is something that is rare in these kind of cases,” he said. “What we have seen so far is already ugly, despicable, unpatriotic and unethical. However, by bluster, lies and attacking the system [Trump] has convinced a large minority of people that anything short of an arrest means that he is totally innocent and nothing happened.” www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-the-center-of-muellers-inquiry-a-campaign-that-appeared-to-welcome-russias-help/2019/03/22/9e8d279e-259e-11e9-90cd-dedb0c92dc17_story.html?utm_term=.05c79395adb3(N.B. Countering a foreign counterintelligence threat may be as simple as withdrawing a security clearance. See e.g., Kushner, Jared (but it fails when because of violation of nepotism rules, the President reinstates said clearance). Regarding Mueller's view of his jurisdiction and cases/investigations spunoff to various USAO or other DOJ components: It’s possible, for example, that Mueller is not proceeding against certain defendants other than the president because he has referred them to other prosecutorial offices; some of these referrals are already public, and it’s reasonable to expect there may be other referrals too. In this iteration, what is ending here is not the investigation, merely the portion of the investigation Mueller chose to retain for himself. It’s possible also that Mueller is finished because he has determined that while the evidence would support a prosecution of the president, he is bound by the Justice Department’s long-standing position that the president is not amenable to criminal process. On the obstruction front, he may well have concluded that, while the president acted to obstruct the investigation, he cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the president’s obstructive acts were not exercises of Trump’s Article II powers. It’s also possible that Mueller has strong prudential reasons for not proceeding with otherwise viable cases. www.lawfareblog.com/very-quick-thoughts-end-mueller-investigation Keep grasping at straws, my friend. Maybe this, maybe that...Sad!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 9:13:35 GMT -5
Republican always manage to forget the reason why Mueller got appointed SC is because Trump fired the FBI director, lied about his reason for doing so, then went on national tv and said it was because of the "Russia thing".
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Post by Elvado on Mar 23, 2019 9:44:02 GMT -5
Republican always manage to forget the reason why Mueller got appointed SC is because Trump fired the FBI director, lied about his reason for doing so, then went on national tv and said it was because of the "Russia thing". And Democrats forget the whole investigation was a hissy fit over Hillary crapping the bed..
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Post by puthath on Mar 23, 2019 9:55:42 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 10:12:59 GMT -5
Republican always manage to forget the reason why Mueller got appointed SC is because Trump fired the FBI director, lied about his reason for doing so, then went on national tv and said it was because of the "Russia thing". And Democrats forget the whole investigation was a hissy fit over Hillary crapping the bed.. That sounds cool, but one is true the other is not. Stop for a second and think that Republicans like Elvado actually believe the FBI is full of Democrats upset that Hillary lost... Lol
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Post by Elvado on Mar 23, 2019 10:17:30 GMT -5
And Democrats forget the whole investigation was a hissy fit over Hillary crapping the bed.. That sounds cool, but one is true the other is not. Stop for a second and think that Republicans like Elvado actually believe the FBI is full of Democrats upset that Hillary lost... Lol Full no. Stained with yes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 10:21:11 GMT -5
That sounds cool, but one is true the other is not. Stop for a second and think that Republicans like Elvado actually believe the FBI is full of Democrats upset that Hillary lost... Lol Full no. Stained with yes. The FBI was totally in the tank for Hillary that's why they kept doing a series of things that damaged her candidacy heading into election day while neglecting to mention there was a counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign... Pretty crazy all those Democratic FBI agents were leaking info to Rudy Giuliani.....
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Post by Elvado on Mar 23, 2019 11:07:13 GMT -5
From the “let’s keep changing the rules until we win” wing of the Democrat Party and affiliated media comes the emergent need for a complete release of the report and all documents associated therewith.
Existing rules and procedures be damned—we want what we want. And will continue our tantrum until we get it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 11:07:57 GMT -5
From the “let’s keep changing the rules until we win” wing of the Democrat Party and affiliated media comes the emergent need for a complete release of the report and all documents associated therewith. Existing rules and procedures be damned—we want what we want. And will continue our tantrum until we get it. Why wouldn't you want to see the report?
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Post by Elvado on Mar 23, 2019 11:09:59 GMT -5
From the “let’s keep changing the rules until we win” wing of the Democrat Party and affiliated media comes the emergent need for a complete release of the report and all documents associated therewith. Existing rules and procedures be damned—we want what we want. And will continue our tantrum until we get it. Why wouldn't you want to see the report? I’d like to see a lot of things. We don’t always get what we want.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 11:10:51 GMT -5
Why wouldn't you want to see the report? I’d like to see a lot of things. We don’t always get what we want. Ok, but why wouldn't you *want to see the report?
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 23, 2019 11:24:26 GMT -5
The public has every right to see Robert S. Mueller III's conclusions. Absolutely nothing in the law or the regulations prevents the report from becoming public. Indeed, the relevant sources of law give Attorney General P. William Barr all the latitude in the world to make it public. Those regulations, which I had the privilege of drafting in 1998 and 1999 as a young Justice Department lawyer, require three types of reports. First, the special counsel must give the attorney general “Urgent Reports” during the course of an investigation regarding things such as proposed indictments. Second, the special counsel must provide a report to the attorney general at the end of the investigation, which Mueller delivered on Friday. And third, the attorney general must furnish Congress with a report containing “an explanation for each action … upon conclusion of the Special Counsel’s investigation.” www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/23/i-wrote-special-counsel-rules-attorney-general-can-should-release-mueller-report/?utm_term=.6d959a2cbea1
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Post by Elvado on Mar 23, 2019 11:34:57 GMT -5
The public has every right to see Robert S. Mueller III's conclusions. Absolutely nothing in the law or the regulations prevents the report from becoming public. Indeed, the relevant sources of law give Attorney General P. William Barr all the latitude in the world to make it public. Those regulations, which I had the privilege of drafting in 1998 and 1999 as a young Justice Department lawyer, require three types of reports. First, the special counsel must give the attorney general “Urgent Reports” during the course of an investigation regarding things such as proposed indictments. Second, the special counsel must provide a report to the attorney general at the end of the investigation, which Mueller delivered on Friday. And third, the attorney general must furnish Congress with a report containing “an explanation for each action … upon conclusion of the Special Counsel’s investigation.” www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/23/i-wrote-special-counsel-rules-attorney-general-can-should-release-mueller-report/?utm_term=.6d959a2cbea1Just as nothing compels its release either. I think his conclusions should be made public. However, it is not and will never be a matter of emergent consequence and nothing “entitles”anyone to the source documents. We live in world where too many people believe they are “entitled” to way too much.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 11:42:49 GMT -5
Imagine Elvado being anti transparency about a similar report about a Dem President and his cohorts. You can't, because it would never happen..
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 23, 2019 11:55:42 GMT -5
One thing is for sure, if the report is favorable to trump, he’ll send out about a billion tweets touting this and will probably force the release of the report and all supporting documents.
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Post by puthath on Mar 23, 2019 13:07:52 GMT -5
For those who have fallen under the spell of the most massive gaslighting in history, like YaBoy, SS, et al:
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Post by puthath on Mar 23, 2019 13:09:08 GMT -5
One thing is for sure, if the report is favorable to trump, he’ll send out about a billion tweets touting this and will probably force the release of the report and all supporting documents. If the report were favorable, wouldn’t you do this?
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