Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jun 14, 2019 22:13:23 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 15, 2019 17:34:18 GMT -5
FYI several posts about sentencing of the Stanford sailing coach moved into the thread discussing the college admissions scandal that is separate from the basketball scandal that is the topic of this thread. hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/832972/thread
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Post by saxagael on Jun 19, 2019 14:56:37 GMT -5
The recruiting calendar shift was intended to have grassroots travel teams shut down for the month of June (which they have) and put the focus in June on the high school teams. Looking around the DVM and the top high school teams are missing their top players still (concerned about getting injured) and many of the top teams aren't involved in the usual summer leagues and are focussing on just a small handful of games to play in front of college coaches in weekend tournaments, but are practicing and working with freshman, sophomores, and non-starters to get them in the swing of things. The next week or two are the first exposure games / tournaments in the DC area, but then all players are back with their travel teams for a July push toward the mid-July tournaments and bonus exposure tournaments at the end of July and some fun games in early August.
June turned into a month of not much exposure for players, while it cuts down on their grind, it gets them out of the groove. July will be interesting this year.
One result was the loss of Fab 48 in Vegas at the end of July and early August where the best of the shoe leages and no-connected teams get together and play in front of college coaches and fans of the high school level game.
I don't know if it is a change this year, but any player in an exposure tournament (college coaches present) has to read, watch videos, and sign the NCAA player rules / guidelines. The usual no gambling, no merchandise contracts, no fantasy league nor brackets. But, now high school players sign it as the freshman look-in period starts for the travel tournaments.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 10, 2019 13:08:46 GMT -5
The state assembly’s Committee on Higher Education voted 9-0 to continue moving the bill, which is called The Fair Pay to Play Act, forward. The bill, which was introduced back in February, would make it illegal for schools in the state of California to pull scholarships from athletes that profit off of their fame as college athletes while also allowing them to hire people to represent them – agents, lawyers, financial advisors, etc. – in those matters.
Essentially, the law would put the Olympic model into effect in the state.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 10, 2019 16:11:21 GMT -5
The state assembly’s Committee on Higher Education voted 9-0 to continue moving the bill, which is called The Fair Pay to Play Act, forward. The bill, which was introduced back in February, would make it illegal for schools in the state of California to pull scholarships from athletes that profit off of their fame as college athletes while also allowing them to hire people to represent them – agents, lawyers, financial advisors, etc. – in those matters.
Essentially, the law would put the Olympic model into effect in the state. The NCAA hasn't made an official statement in regards to what California is doing but they have hinted that this action would make California schools ineligible for participation in NCAA championship tournaments/competitions. The NCAA has to be aware that they are quietly and slowly losing this war....
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Post by professorhoya on Jul 10, 2019 20:26:44 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Jul 10, 2019 20:49:27 GMT -5
I'm stunned, I say. Just stunned. Stunned, that is, that it wasn't High Point University that received the Notice of Infractions instead of State.
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Post by tribeninerhoya on Jul 11, 2019 7:35:28 GMT -5
I mean, they have two national titles and 4+ games per year against Duke/CHeat to recruit to. It shouldn’t be a surprise that they can pull talent in (and there’s no indication this stretches beyond DSJ/Gottfried).
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 11, 2019 9:43:18 GMT -5
The biggest cheaters are the non-academic state schools. They just don’t care. Big upside in $$$ and little downside (slap on wrist by NCAA)
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Post by tribeninerhoya on Jul 11, 2019 10:53:33 GMT -5
The biggest cheaters are the non-academic state schools. They just don’t care. Big upside in $$$ and little downside (slap on wrist by NCAA) Well the biggest cheater of all-time was an “academic” state school in UNC-CH. They broke pretty much every rule imaginable and still got a slap on the wrist. While there are a lot of things about that investigation that are open to severe criticism (including the initial lead investigator from the NCAA being a huge UNC-CH fan, and having his Facebook profile pic being him at a game with the mascot), nothing will change until it costs more than it benefits.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jul 11, 2019 11:54:43 GMT -5
Overall, I don't think the penalties for past bad behavior have been severe enough to deter future bad behavior.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 11, 2019 12:05:50 GMT -5
The biggest cheaters are the non-academic state schools. They just don’t care. Big upside in $$$ and little downside (slap on wrist by NCAA) Well the biggest cheater of all-time was an “academic” state school in UNC-CH. They broke pretty much every rule imaginable and still got a slap on the wrist. While there are a lot of things about that investigation that are open to severe criticism (including the initial lead investigator from the NCAA being a huge UNC-CH fan, and having his Facebook profile pic being him at a game with the mascot), nothing will change until it costs more than it benefits. Disagree, because you do not confuse academic fraud, which is what the North Carolina African-American Studies (AFAM) program was, with athletic fraud. The National Collegiate Athletic Association governs athletics and the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools governs academics. The former should not take the place of the latter. Did UNC take advantage of a situation within the school? Yes, but that's not cheating. If a basketball office steers a recruit to major in sociology because the requirements aren't as tight as other majors, is that cheating? No, but it's taking advantage of the ways the sociology major is framed. The AFAM is an extreme example but when athletes at major schools are majoring in kinesiology (Penn State) or parks and recreation (Clemson) with 0.0% percent of that as a career, it's a dodge without being a cheat. bleacherreport.com/articles/2521779-most-popular-academic-majors-for-2015-power-5-conference-football-players#slide2
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Post by tribeninerhoya on Jul 11, 2019 12:18:04 GMT -5
Well the biggest cheater of all-time was an “academic” state school in UNC-CH. They broke pretty much every rule imaginable and still got a slap on the wrist. While there are a lot of things about that investigation that are open to severe criticism (including the initial lead investigator from the NCAA being a huge UNC-CH fan, and having his Facebook profile pic being him at a game with the mascot), nothing will change until it costs more than it benefits. Disagree, because you do not confuse academic fraud, which is what the North Carolina African-American Studies (AFAM) program was, with athletic fraud. The National Collegiate Athletic Association governs athletics and the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools governs academics. The former should not take the place of the latter. Did UNC take advantage of a situation within the school? Yes, but that's not cheating. If a basketball office steers a recruit to major in sociology because the requirements aren't as tight as other majors, is that cheating? No, but it's taking advantage of the ways the sociology major is framed. The AFAM is an extreme example but when athletes at major schools are majoring in kinesiology (Penn State) or parks and recreation (Clemson) with 0.0% percent of that as a career, it's a dodge without being a cheat. bleacherreport.com/articles/2521779-most-popular-academic-majors-for-2015-power-5-conference-football-players#slide2And while that would be fine (though extremely slimy) if it were contained to that, they also had (i) agents/runners on staff, (ii) paying players, (iii) parties and gifts for players (see the Miami party and $10k worth of diamond jewelry for one single instance), (iv) the wheels for heels program (both cars and funneling money to pay for parking tickets, etc.), (v) hiring players’ family members into positions for which they were unqualified to help with recruiting (see Tyler Hansborough’s mom), and the list goes on. This all ignores, of course, that the NCAA requires certain eligibility requirements for STUDENT-athletes and the fact that they had tutors writing players’ papers for them (which is not only unethical, an impermissible benefit, and academic fraud, but also within the purview of the NCAA, who is now legislating this to make it even more clear cut), changing grades to keep them eligible (a clear violation), and having no-show classes, etc., as you mentioned in the AfAm department. Slap on the wrist, though.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 11, 2019 12:43:31 GMT -5
The lack of NCAA backbone or integrity is forcing more players into the gutter to complete.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 11, 2019 14:26:36 GMT -5
The lack of NCAA backbone or integrity is forcing more players into the gutter to complete. We can blame the NCAA but honestly, what power does the NCAA really have over its members? Why don't we ever see schools like Gtown coming out forcefully against the cheating?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 11, 2019 14:52:38 GMT -5
What were we going to do- call out schools like UConn and Syracuse? No one would schedule games with us.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 11, 2019 14:58:31 GMT -5
What were we going to do- call out schools like UConn and Syracuse? No one would schedule games with us. I tend to agree. Not the individual schools responsibility because these schools that run clean programs have to schedule games/events with these cheating programs in potentially 23 other sports. That's the NCAA's job to be the police, judge, jury and executioner not Georgetown's.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 11, 2019 15:45:17 GMT -5
What were we going to do- call out schools like UConn and Syracuse? No one would schedule games with us. This doesn't seem like a valid excuse... At the time Uconn & Syracuse had no other choice but to play Gtown plus we all know the great majority of HM programs are clean so I doubt there would be a shortage of teams for Gtown to schedule... Also, you seem to be throwing integrity out the window for high profile games...
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 11, 2019 15:51:08 GMT -5
What were we going to do- call out schools like UConn and Syracuse? No one would schedule games with us. I tend to agree. Not the individual schools responsibility because these schools that run clean programs have to schedule games/events with these cheating programs in potentially 23 other sports. That's the NCAA's job to be the police, judge, jury and executioner not Georgetown's. But the "NCAA" is the institutions right? They're the ones who make the rules but then pretend as though they don't have any say if fellow members break the rules... In my view, clean HM programs stay silent because of the cash they have rolling in...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 11, 2019 16:04:06 GMT -5
I tend to agree. Not the individual schools responsibility because these schools that run clean programs have to schedule games/events with these cheating programs in potentially 23 other sports. That's the NCAA's job to be the police, judge, jury and executioner not Georgetown's. But the "NCAA" is the institutions right? They're the ones who make the rules but then pretend as though they don't have any say if fellow members break the rules... In my view, clean HM programs stay silent because of the cash they have rolling in...Unless school presidents want to ban together in large numbers and form their own athletic association and leave the NCAA....I don't see that happening! I also see no upside for one school President, AD, or Head Coach publicly shaming a group of other athletic departments and sports programs. Plus like you said: Cash Rules Everything Around Me...
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