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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 11, 2019 16:10:23 GMT -5
If you have no police, folks would just steal stuff. A sprint to the bottom. Let criminals judge criminals.
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Post by calhoya on Jul 11, 2019 17:06:15 GMT -5
I have a hard time finding too many innocents, in what is basically a corrupt system where the only real distinction to be made is the degree to which the particular athlete, program,school or conference is willing to manipulate the system. To my knowledge, Georgetown has never broken the rules, but in this system you are not guilty of a violation unless you are caught--and even then rehabilitation often only requires an immediate and heartfelt apology followed by the self-imposition of sanctions that the school can tolerate. Athletes who cheat can transfer. Coaches who break the rules--often in more than one job--get rehired to other schools. Programs that should be buried for institutional ignorance or collaboration in cheating are chastised and then reinstated within a short time. There is too much money for the NCAA and the college Presidents to risk implementation of significant penalties.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 11, 2019 18:36:08 GMT -5
But the "NCAA" is the institutions right? They're the ones who make the rules but then pretend as though they don't have any say if fellow members break the rules... In my view, clean HM programs stay silent because of the cash they have rolling in...Unless school presidents want to ban together in large numbers and form their own athletic association and leave the NCAA....I don't see that happening! I also see no upside for one school President, AD, or Head Coach publicly shaming a group of other athletic departments and sports programs.
Plus like you said: Cash Rules Everything Around Me... I don't mind this take at all but folks have to stop getting on Emmert for not being tougher on schools because he's just a figurehead...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 11, 2019 18:40:05 GMT -5
Unless school presidents want to ban together in large numbers and form their own athletic association and leave the NCAA....I don't see that happening! I also see no upside for one school President, AD, or Head Coach publicly shaming a group of other athletic departments and sports programs.
Plus like you said: Cash Rules Everything Around Me... I don't mind this take at all but folks have to stop getting on Emmert for not being tougher on schools because he's just a figurehead... Agreed...NCAA fires Emmert tomorrow and hires someone else, nothing will change. The cheating will still continue in some form or fashion. The only thing that really matters to the NCAA and school presidents is that the ESPN/FS1/NBC Sports/TNT/TBS/CBS etc. checks clear. Emmert real job and focus is to try and find away to maintain the NCAA model where athletes aren't getting a real piece of the financial pie...
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 13, 2019 11:02:50 GMT -5
Another bit of evidence of who really runs the sport and who could truly enforce the rules if they wanted to...
“Being asked to serve in this role by my wonderful colleagues on this committee is one of the highest honors I’ve ever received,” Barnhart said. “The 10 of us carry a huge responsibility, not just with the selection, seeding, and bracketing of teams each year, which draws the greatest amount of attention, but also as a group charged with working with other constituents to manage the health of the sport of college basketball. It’s an incredible challenge and one we will continue to take very seriously.”
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 13, 2019 19:40:45 GMT -5
Another bit of evidence of who really runs the sport and who could truly enforce the rules if they wanted to... “Being asked to serve in this role by my wonderful colleagues on this committee is one of the highest honors I’ve ever received,” Barnhart said. “The 10 of us carry a huge responsibility, not just with the selection, seeding, and bracketing of teams each year, which draws the greatest amount of attention, but also as a group charged with working with other constituents to manage the health of the sport of college basketball. It’s an incredible challenge and one we will continue to take very seriously.”
So the fox is in the hen house, eh?
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 17, 2019 14:33:04 GMT -5
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Post by hoya9797 on Jul 22, 2019 16:47:14 GMT -5
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 8, 2019 7:57:12 GMT -5
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 17, 2019 8:37:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 9:19:36 GMT -5
If you want to know why Pat hasn't landed a 5 star talent yet. Read that article, and be thankful that he has not. It's not ALL explained by this, but about half, or more, of the top 20 are caught up in that b.s. There's a very small pool of elite players that aren't playing the game imo. 40-150 and coach them up is the road map...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 20, 2019 13:18:39 GMT -5
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 6, 2019 21:04:38 GMT -5
“As soon as Duke was made aware of any allegation that might have affected Zion Williamson’s eligibility, we conducted a thorough and objective investigation which was directed by individuals outside the athletics department,” Schoenfeld wrote. “We found no evidence to support any allegation. Zion thrived as both a student and an athlete at Duke, and always conducted himself with integrity and purpose.”
Duke declined to offer any further details of the investigation.
Avenatti, in a statement to the News & Observer Friday night, said that Duke didn’t seek information from him as part of its investigation. Without providing further documentation, he repeated his claim that Nike paid Williamson and that Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski was not only aware of the payment, but has been part of such payments to players for years.
“I never heard from anyone associated with Duke in connection with my allegations or any investigation,” Avenatti said. “I was never asked a single question. I was never asked what information or documents that I was aware of. Who the hell conducted this investigation? Inspector Clouseau? The documents and the hard evidence do not lie. Zion Williamson was paid to attend Duke. Coach K has made and facilitated payments to players for years. And when the truth comes out -- and eventually it will -- Coach K and Duke’s reputation will be forever and rightfully tarnished.”
And if what I am saying is untrue, I challenge Coach K and Duke University to file a defamation lawsuit against me tomorrow and we can let the chips fall where they may.”
Because of these indiscretions by Duke which I fully believe to be true, I absolutely expect the NCAA to take swift and immediate action and use all its resources and powers and slam NC Central with the death penalty...
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Post by tashoya on Sept 6, 2019 21:38:34 GMT -5
“As soon as Duke was made aware of any allegation that might have affected Zion Williamson’s eligibility, we conducted a thorough and objective investigation which was directed by individuals outside the athletics department,” Schoenfeld wrote. “We found no evidence to support any allegation. Zion thrived as both a student and an athlete at Duke, and always conducted himself with integrity and purpose.”
Duke declined to offer any further details of the investigation.
Avenatti, in a statement to the News & Observer Friday night, said that Duke didn’t seek information from him as part of its investigation. Without providing further documentation, he repeated his claim that Nike paid Williamson and that Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski was not only aware of the payment, but has been part of such payments to players for years.
“I never heard from anyone associated with Duke in connection with my allegations or any investigation,” Avenatti said. “I was never asked a single question. I was never asked what information or documents that I was aware of. Who the hell conducted this investigation? Inspector Clouseau? The documents and the hard evidence do not lie. Zion Williamson was paid to attend Duke. Coach K has made and facilitated payments to players for years. And when the truth comes out -- and eventually it will -- Coach K and Duke’s reputation will be forever and rightfully tarnished.”
And if what I am saying is untrue, I challenge Coach K and Duke University to file a defamation lawsuit against me tomorrow and we can let the chips fall where they may.”Because of these indiscretions by Duke which I fully believe to be true, I absolutely expect the NCAA to take swift and immediate action and use all its resources and powers and slam NC Central with the death penalty... I think it would shock exactly no one if Avenatti is telling the truth about this. I'd personally be more surprised if something similar to this isn't true even if it isn't in the case of Zion. Having said that, the NCAA doesn't care whether Duke cheats or not so why should Duke? Also, given Avenatti's lack of credibility in the public psyche, it certainly does not behoove Duke to ask him anything or sue him for anything because many people, even those that hate Duke, are predisposed to disbelief of the man in the first place. To me, even if he's dead right, it comes off as wildly needy and fame-chasing. In the end, the NCAA is the problem. Those that exploit the huge, glaring holes in compliance enforcement/level of diligence or caring of the NCAA are just playing the game. Those that cheat and have reputations as successful, financially successful programs still make out huge when they do get caught. I wouldn't want our program conducted that way and, perhaps naively, I believe it doesn't. But that, admittedly, is pretty Pollyanna at this point and does decrease the odds of success in a very real way. There's an argument to be made that, if you're not cheating, you're not doing what's in the best interest of the long term health of your program. Without evidence to the contrary, I'll continue to believe that our University and staff and athletes do things the right way and on the up and up even knowing that many others do not. I certainly wish there were ways to better "take care" of athletes that need it but I also feel that way about the student population in general and that's a wholly different discussion.
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Post by tashoya on Sept 6, 2019 21:40:20 GMT -5
I should also have written, if you're Zion and most other things are equal (as much as it pains me to write), why wouldn't you want to go to Duke?
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Post by hoya95 on Sept 6, 2019 22:00:56 GMT -5
“As soon as Duke was made aware of any allegation that might have affected Zion Williamson’s eligibility, we conducted a thorough and objective investigation which was directed by individuals outside the athletics department,” Schoenfeld wrote. “We found no evidence to support any allegation. Zion thrived as both a student and an athlete at Duke, and always conducted himself with integrity and purpose.”
Duke declined to offer any further details of the investigation.
Avenatti, in a statement to the News & Observer Friday night, said that Duke didn’t seek information from him as part of its investigation. Without providing further documentation, he repeated his claim that Nike paid Williamson and that Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski was not only aware of the payment, but has been part of such payments to players for years.
“I never heard from anyone associated with Duke in connection with my allegations or any investigation,” Avenatti said. “I was never asked a single question. I was never asked what information or documents that I was aware of. Who the hell conducted this investigation? Inspector Clouseau? The documents and the hard evidence do not lie. Zion Williamson was paid to attend Duke. Coach K has made and facilitated payments to players for years. And when the truth comes out -- and eventually it will -- Coach K and Duke’s reputation will be forever and rightfully tarnished.”
And if what I am saying is untrue, I challenge Coach K and Duke University to file a defamation lawsuit against me tomorrow and we can let the chips fall where they may.”Because of these indiscretions by Duke which I fully believe to be true, I absolutely expect the NCAA to take swift and immediate action and use all its resources and powers and slam NC Central with the death penalty... How in the blue hell did Duke conduct an “investigation” of Nike? What documents did they obtain? Who did they interview? Do they have subpoena power that I’m unaware of? All they can do is ask Nike if anyone paid Zion or his family. Not sure why anyone would bother to print this story. It tells us absolutely nothing.
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Post by tashoya on Sept 6, 2019 22:13:07 GMT -5
“As soon as Duke was made aware of any allegation that might have affected Zion Williamson’s eligibility, we conducted a thorough and objective investigation which was directed by individuals outside the athletics department,” Schoenfeld wrote. “We found no evidence to support any allegation. Zion thrived as both a student and an athlete at Duke, and always conducted himself with integrity and purpose.”
Duke declined to offer any further details of the investigation.
Avenatti, in a statement to the News & Observer Friday night, said that Duke didn’t seek information from him as part of its investigation. Without providing further documentation, he repeated his claim that Nike paid Williamson and that Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski was not only aware of the payment, but has been part of such payments to players for years.
“I never heard from anyone associated with Duke in connection with my allegations or any investigation,” Avenatti said. “I was never asked a single question. I was never asked what information or documents that I was aware of. Who the hell conducted this investigation? Inspector Clouseau? The documents and the hard evidence do not lie. Zion Williamson was paid to attend Duke. Coach K has made and facilitated payments to players for years. And when the truth comes out -- and eventually it will -- Coach K and Duke’s reputation will be forever and rightfully tarnished.”
And if what I am saying is untrue, I challenge Coach K and Duke University to file a defamation lawsuit against me tomorrow and we can let the chips fall where they may.”Because of these indiscretions by Duke which I fully believe to be true, I absolutely expect the NCAA to take swift and immediate action and use all its resources and powers and slam NC Central with the death penalty... How in the blue hell did Duke conduct an “investigation” of Nike? What documents did they obtain? Who did they interview? Do they have subpoena power that I’m unaware of? All they can do is ask Nike if anyone paid Zion or his family. Not sure why anyone would bother to print this story. It tells us absolutely nothing. Also, why would they bother at all? The NCAA wasn't investigating them.
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Post by hilltophoya on Sept 11, 2019 9:28:46 GMT -5
“As soon as Duke was made aware of any allegation that might have affected Zion Williamson’s eligibility, we conducted a thorough and objective investigation which was directed by individuals outside the athletics department,” Schoenfeld wrote. “We found no evidence to support any allegation. Zion thrived as both a student and an athlete at Duke, and always conducted himself with integrity and purpose.”
Duke declined to offer any further details of the investigation.
Avenatti, in a statement to the News & Observer Friday night, said that Duke didn’t seek information from him as part of its investigation. Without providing further documentation, he repeated his claim that Nike paid Williamson and that Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski was not only aware of the payment, but has been part of such payments to players for years.
“I never heard from anyone associated with Duke in connection with my allegations or any investigation,” Avenatti said. “I was never asked a single question. I was never asked what information or documents that I was aware of. Who the hell conducted this investigation? Inspector Clouseau? The documents and the hard evidence do not lie. Zion Williamson was paid to attend Duke. Coach K has made and facilitated payments to players for years. And when the truth comes out -- and eventually it will -- Coach K and Duke’s reputation will be forever and rightfully tarnished.”
And if what I am saying is untrue, I challenge Coach K and Duke University to file a defamation lawsuit against me tomorrow and we can let the chips fall where they may.”Because of these indiscretions by Duke which I fully believe to be true, I absolutely expect the NCAA to take swift and immediate action and use all its resources and powers and slam NC Central with the death penalty... I think it would shock exactly no one if Avenatti is telling the truth about this...To me, even if he's dead right, it comes off as wildly needy and fame-chasing. I agree. I also think it would shock exactly no one if Avenatti has no specific knowledge, but is merely alleging something that a lot of people already assume. As the saying goes, "even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while." He might be right because he actually has some specific knowledge/evidence; he might be guessing but happens to be right; and he might be wrong. The one thing we know for certain, however, is that he's "wildly needy and fame-chasing."
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 20, 2019 20:25:23 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Sept 20, 2019 20:29:22 GMT -5
Still no Kentucky, huh? Shocking. Cue Kansas self imposing some penalties. Or, equally likely, denying all of it and eventually getting a light slap on the wrist.
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