dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on May 28, 2019 23:28:21 GMT -5
He never looked like a high major prospect to me. His tape was very underwhelming. I think he will have success at the lower level. Says who? We've got some terrible know it all critics of players on this board! I hope he is very successful wherever he lands. There was nothing about his play that was underwhelming. He hardly played and contributed when he did. He could have been better, he could been worse, and some who played in front of him were no better him, despite years of tenure/"experience."
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Post by practice on May 29, 2019 4:55:39 GMT -5
He never looked like a high major prospect to me. His tape was very underwhelming. I think he will have success at the lower level. Says who? We've got some terrible know it all critics of players on this board! I hope he is very successful wherever he lands. There was nothing about his play that was underwhelming. He hardly played and contributed when he did. He could have been better, he could been worse, and some who played in front of him were no better him, despite years of tenure/"experience." Well if he winds up at UT Arlington then one can draw some conclusions about high major program interest in him. In any event I wish him great success on and off court.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 29, 2019 6:05:38 GMT -5
It’s hard for him to get high major looks when he didn’t play. He had a nice stroke and good size, but not a super athlete. I said the same about Derrickson and he turned out okay. So much about life is right place at the right time. Wish him well.
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on May 29, 2019 6:35:56 GMT -5
It’s hard for him to get high major looks when he didn’t play. He had a nice stroke and good size, but not a super athlete. I said the same about Derrickson and he turned out okay. So much about life is right place at the right time. Wish him well. "Bigs", you get it!
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Post by hoyas big supporter on May 29, 2019 7:09:36 GMT -5
It’s hard for him to get high major looks when he didn’t play. He had a nice stroke and good size, but not a super athlete. I said the same about Derrickson and he turned out okay. So much about life is right place at the right time. Wish him well. Again, Marcus Derrickson and Grayson Carter are nothing alike as players. Sure they both know how to shoot a jump shot, but so do Jessie Govan and Omer Yurtseven. Life is about timing, but it’s also about having the tools to perform and honing those over time. I still haven’t seen one person describe the above average basketball skills/attributes that Grayson possessed. I’m all ears though.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 29, 2019 11:30:00 GMT -5
You are comparing freshman Carter against NBA Derrickson. Marcus was nothing special early on in college.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on May 29, 2019 12:01:10 GMT -5
You are comparing freshman Carter against NBA Derrickson. Marcus was nothing special early on in college. Hahahah no. No offense, but why in the world would that be your assumption? I’m comparing Marcus to Grayson in all aspects. Then and now. To include, but not limited to: their skill sets, strengths, weaknesses, play styles, personalities, and straight up abilities. Nice try though. Again, I’ve seen people say he’s really talented and people compare him to Marcus but I haven’t exactly seen anyone articulate those arguments. They both play power forward and both of their jumpers are pretty looking (only one of them has proven his shooting though), but those are about the only/main similarities I see. Again, I’m all ears.
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95hoya
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Post by 95hoya on May 29, 2019 13:31:25 GMT -5
We have people here who don't understand there are levels in college basketball and think every kid that is recruited by us can play at this level. He didn't show much here, and would have played more if he showed more in practice. His videos in high school showed limited athleticism.
Don't compare him to Marcus who was an undersized beast in a great league.
I know players get 4 years to develop for a reason, but coaches know what a kid has and what he might be and prioritize their development. It took dire circumstances for Carter to see the court and it's not like we were loaded in the frontcourt.
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on May 29, 2019 13:35:42 GMT -5
You are comparing freshman Carter against NBA Derrickson. Marcus was nothing special early on in college. That is false. Derrickson was the best player on the court in Italy before his freshman year. Unfortunately, as I recall, he stepped on a ball in the fall and injured his knee which hampered him for two seasons.
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smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on May 29, 2019 14:31:30 GMT -5
We have people here who don't understand there are levels in college basketball and think every kid that is recruited by us can play at this level. He didn't show much here, and would have played more if he showed more in practice. His videos in high school showed limited athleticism. Don't compare him to Marcus who was an undersized beast in a great league. I know players get 4 years to develop for a reason, but coaches know what a kid has and what he might be and prioritize their development. It took dire circumstances for Carter to see the court and it's not like we were loaded in the frontcourt.Ding...ding...ding. We were absolutely desperate for rebounding and any kind of interior defense at all, and Carter still couldn't get on the floor. I hope the kid has a great life, but as a basketball player he was the definition of expendable. At least the Causeys and Sheffeys showed us a little something when folks cried about them leaving.
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vv83
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Post by vv83 on May 29, 2019 14:31:57 GMT -5
You are comparing freshman Carter against NBA Derrickson. Marcus was nothing special early on in college. That is false. Derrickson was the best player on the court in Italy before his freshman year. Unfortunately, as I recall, he stepped on a ball in the fall and injured his knee which hampered him for two seasons. Derrickson stepped on the basketball late in Kenner league the summer before his soph year. But he had a big game early in his frosh year vs Maryland
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on May 29, 2019 14:39:43 GMT -5
That is false. Derrickson was the best player on the court in Italy before his freshman year. Unfortunately, as I recall, he stepped on a ball in the fall and injured his knee which hampered him for two seasons. Derrickson stepped on the basketball late in Kenner league the summer before his soph year. But he had a big game early in his frosh year vs Maryland I think he injured that knee more than once during his 1st two seasons.
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nbhoya
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Post by nbhoya on May 29, 2019 16:09:37 GMT -5
Marcus had an 8 inch vertical due to his knee injury
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HOYAPLAYA
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on May 29, 2019 17:04:59 GMT -5
We have people here who don't understand there are levels in college basketball and think every kid that is recruited by us can play at this level. He didn't show much here, and would have played more if he showed more in practice. His videos in high school showed limited athleticism. Don't compare him to Marcus who was an undersized beast in a great league. I know players get 4 years to develop for a reason, but coaches know what a kid has and what he might be and prioritize their development. It took dire circumstances for Carter to see the court and it's not like we were loaded in the frontcourt.Ding...ding...ding. We were absolutely desperate for rebounding and any kind of interior defense at all, and Carter still couldn't get on the floor. I hope the kid has a great life, but as a basketball player he was the definition of expendable. At least the Causeys and Sheffeys showed us a little something when folks cried about them leaving. If by Causeys, you are referring to Matt Causey then that is a bad person to use as he didn't show a damn thing in the Hoya uniform. He is actually a pretty good comp to Carter in that he looked like a kid that was overmatched in his freshman year and may or may not develop over time. In today's game, you are probably better off transferring down from a competitive standpoint as you can always transfer back up in competition a couple years down the road as a 4th/5th year grad transfer if your game and body has developed.
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 29, 2019 17:45:17 GMT -5
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smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on May 29, 2019 18:43:31 GMT -5
We all know that if Grayson had averaged 3.3 reb in 11 min as a frosh, he’d still be a Hoya. Apples and oranges. But keep reaching for Carter. Should rename the thread to reaching for Grayson.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on May 29, 2019 19:03:00 GMT -5
We have people here who don't understand there are levels in college basketball and think every kid that is recruited by us can play at this level. He didn't show much here, and would have played more if he showed more in practice. His videos in high school showed limited athleticism. Don't compare him to Marcus who was an undersized beast in a great league. I know players get 4 years to develop for a reason, but coaches know what a kid has and what he might be and prioritize their development. It took dire circumstances for Carter to see the court and it's not like we were loaded in the frontcourt.Ding...ding...ding. We were absolutely desperate for rebounding and any kind of interior defense at all, and Carter still couldn't get on the floor. I hope the kid has a great life, but as a basketball player he was the definition of expendable. At least the Causeys and Sheffeys showed us a little something when folks cried about them leaving. Exactly. Unless you think PE can't judge Big Man talent there is no way Carter would not have gotten more pt last year if he was at all capable.
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 29, 2019 19:49:37 GMT -5
Ding...ding...ding. We were absolutely desperate for rebounding and any kind of interior defense at all, and Carter still couldn't get on the floor. I hope the kid has a great life, but as a basketball player he was the definition of expendable. At least the Causeys and Sheffeys showed us a little something when folks cried about them leaving. Exactly. Unless you think PE can't judge Big Man talent there is no way Carter would not have gotten more pt last year if he was at all capable. I am not saying he can't judge big man talent but in all fairness he did recruit and sign the kid they sort of go hand and hand...
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on May 30, 2019 2:28:43 GMT -5
You just have to respect this man. I come to like him more and more every day. Keep on competing, Green. And when the games are over, come talk to Josh.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on May 30, 2019 8:01:03 GMT -5
Exactly. Unless you think PE can't judge Big Man talent there is no way Carter would not have gotten more pt last year if he was at all capable. I am not saying he can't judge big man talent but in all fairness he did recruit and sign the kid they sort of go hand and hand... Ever hear of the concept of admitting your own mistakes? Also, I don’t know why the assumption is GU didn’t want him. Could very well be he didn’t like DC or he missed Texas.
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