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Post by lichoya68 on May 1, 2019 10:54:31 GMT -5
cant we all just be friends GREAT YEAR COMING GO TO KENNER MEANARYWAYWAYWAY UP yup
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hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on May 1, 2019 13:21:35 GMT -5
Please stop. When you rebuild something you inevitably have to get rid of stuff, both old stuff that was there to begin with and stuff you may have bought but then realized doesn't fit or in some way doesn't meet your needs. I'm sure when PE recruited Carter he knew he would need a big man to replace Jesse and Trey. But having seen Carter practice and play he realized that he didn't fit and there were now other, better, options available. I'm sure Carter saw it too. Are posters saying we should try to keep Carter for 4 years even though the guy we brought in to rebuild the program thinks he needed someone better? Carter could have stayed and fought to get more pt. But obviously he's no fool. He knows he'd be third or fourth off the bench next year and probably for the next 3 years so he transferring to a school where he can start. No big deal. Let's move on. Would your thought that it's no big deal if he was nudged out instead of leaving on his own fruition? Are we at a win by any costs point? If so I'm cool with it. Bring on the 5 stars!!!
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Post by CountAardvark on May 1, 2019 13:23:48 GMT -5
Please stop. When you rebuild something you inevitably have to get rid of stuff, both old stuff that was there to begin with and stuff you may have bought but then realized doesn't fit or in some way doesn't meet your needs. I'm sure when PE recruited Carter he knew he would need a big man to replace Jesse and Trey. But having seen Carter practice and play he realized that he didn't fit and there were now other, better, options available. I'm sure Carter saw it too. Are posters saying we should try to keep Carter for 4 years even though the guy we brought in to rebuild the program thinks he needed someone better? Carter could have stayed and fought to get more pt. But obviously he's no fool. He knows he'd be third or fourth off the bench next year and probably for the next 3 years so he transferring to a school where he can start. No big deal. Let's move on. Would your thought that it's no big deal if he was nudged out instead of leaving on his own fruition? Are we at a win by any costs point? If so I'm cool with it. Bring on the 5 stars!!! Where is this assumption coming from? You really think we threatened to take away his scholarship just to force him out?? Jesus, have a little faith in Ewing and in the school...it's FAR more likely that he left to seek more minutes on a team that actually needs him.
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Post by Filo on May 1, 2019 14:00:48 GMT -5
This board is un-freaking-readable any more... Can't we make a point, let someone counter-point, and then maybe have an "agree to disagree" post?
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on May 1, 2019 14:01:58 GMT -5
Would your thought that it's no big deal if he was nudged out instead of leaving on his own fruition? Are we at a win by any costs point? If so I'm cool with it. Bring on the 5 stars!!! Where is this assumption coming from? You really think we threatened to take away his scholarship just to force him out?? Jesus, have a little faith in Ewing and in the school...it's FAR more likely that he left to seek more minutes on a team that actually needs him. Gtown was over the scholarship limit with the additions on Allen & Gardner, someone HAD to leave... That's a fact that can't be ignored. Maybe Carter did make up his mind weeks ago to leave, if so he did himself a disservice imo...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 1, 2019 15:17:23 GMT -5
In principle, I don't like seeing Carter go, especially if he wanted to stay (which we don't know). That being said, I don't think anybody on HoyaTalk will be complaining when/if we win games because Allen/Gardner/Wahab are on the roster.
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Post by sleepy on May 1, 2019 15:55:20 GMT -5
In principle, I don't like seeing Carter go, especially if he wanted to stay (which we don't know). That being said, I don't think anybody on HoyaTalk will be complaining when/if we win games because Allen/Gardner/Wahab are on the roster. I'm sure if we lose games though, it will be "If only we had Carter to come in {insert 2020 team weakness here}. Regardless of whether or now he had ever demonstrated the ability to do so.
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Post by TC on May 1, 2019 16:26:38 GMT -5
Can I just ask a question here? Is there any evidence, other than speculation based wholly on the fact that he submitted his name to the portal after signing day rather than before signing day, that this was an unwilling transfer?
Men's college basketball has a 13% transfer rate. People are going to transfer.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on May 1, 2019 16:51:04 GMT -5
Can I just ask a question here? Is there any evidence, other than speculation based wholly on the fact that he submitted his name to the portal after signing day rather than before signing day, that this was an unwilling transfer? Men's college basketball has a 13% transfer rate. People are going to transfer. Umm, sir, this is a fact-free zone. Please take that hard evidence elsewhere. Thanks!
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on May 1, 2019 16:51:58 GMT -5
Can I just ask a question here? Is there any evidence, other than speculation based wholly on the fact that he submitted his name to the portal after signing day rather than before signing day, that this was an unwilling transfer? Men's college basketball has a 13% transfer rate. People are going to transfer. But there's no proof it did not happen. So that means it could have not not happened. And if it happened, we should be outraged. I am outraged. Ladies and gentlemen, discourse in 2019.
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Post by guru on May 1, 2019 18:22:03 GMT -5
In principle, I don't like seeing Carter go, especially if he wanted to stay (which we don't know). That being said, I don't think anybody on HoyaTalk will be complaining when/if we win games because Allen/Gardner/Wahab are on the roster. Will people stop with this crap? There’s absolutely nothing factual to indicate that Carter wanted to stay, thus nothing to offend your vaunted “principles”. Try Occams Razor on this one. The last player on the bench leaves to seek more playing time. Seems cut-and-dry to all those not grasping for conspiracies to make the current coach look bad.
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Post by justsaying on May 1, 2019 18:56:02 GMT -5
In principle, I don't like seeing Carter go, especially if he wanted to stay (which we don't know). That being said, I don't think anybody on HoyaTalk will be complaining when/if we win games because Allen/Gardner/Wahab are on the roster. Will people stop with this crap? There’s absolutely nothing factual to indicate that Carter wanted to stay, thus nothing to offend your vaunted “principles”. Try Occams Razor on this one. The last player on the bench leaves to seek more playing time. Seems cut-and-dry to all those not grasping for conspiracies to make the current coach look bad. Agreed. Unless someone here has a deep investment in the recruiting of this player; in whatever manner the decision came about is strictly between the coach, the player, and the parents of that player. This is nothing but a disservice to each of those parties when you have pot stirrers.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on May 1, 2019 19:46:25 GMT -5
This whole conversation is absurd. Aren’t there any board rules against speculating about the coach forcing a kid out of the program? That’s just as baseless as speculating about kids transferring. You guys wanna be a major basketball program again, transfers come with the territory. The kid couldn’t beat out Trey Mourning this year, who was largely atrocious the entire season.
We brought in a bunch of legit talent this spring. The writing was on the wall. Best of luck to the young man. I’m sure he’ll land on his feet like so many other Hoya transfers in the past.
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Post by swhoya on May 1, 2019 20:32:32 GMT -5
"I wonder if this is going to be the norm at Georgetown" "Will end of the bench kids be on the chopping block because an upgrade is available" "If so..." I am not ignoring it but just because you couch your statements in soft language like "If So" Or "I wonder" doesn't mean you aren't implying something pretty clearly. That is a harbinger for future poor roster management and/or poor use of resources. I never disputed that that Nova has had few transfers, but Ewing has also had very few transfers, and between the two rosters this season, it is not the transfer from our program that is an example a poor roster management. If anything, they are an example of a how a transfer can be beneficial for both the program and the player. The "if so" part is not soft at all,it's strong... It's strong because it doesn't speak on how I feel now but of how I'll feel if the transfers of young players become the norm at Gtown... If you weren't disputing my thoughts on Nova's transfers, then why did you post the snarky "ummm.. Didn't Nova's 5 star player just transfer?" In response to my post? If Colonel Mustard had murdered Miss Scarlet in the veranda with the candlestick, that would be bad. Not saying he did, but if he did, it would be bad. This really is a silly way to argue. You can’t make a supposition about an event, that may occur in the future, and then throw up your hands and say “I’m not saying that, I’m saying IF that!” Never mind that there’s no basis for the if. So no, it’s not strong. It’s a way of providing yourself an out should someone call you out on your totally speculative point. Put it this way: you can’t say “it’d be terrible for Carter to leave if Ewing was beating him mercilessly ever day.” Yeah, you said “if” but you have zero basis for what came after.
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Post by EtomicB on May 1, 2019 20:54:18 GMT -5
The "if so" part is not soft at all,it's strong... It's strong because it doesn't speak on how I feel now but of how I'll feel if the transfers of young players become the norm at Gtown... If you weren't disputing my thoughts on Nova's transfers, then why did you post the snarky "ummm.. Didn't Nova's 5 star player just transfer?" In response to my post? If Colonel Mustard had murdered Miss Scarlet in the veranda with the candlestick, that would be bad. Not saying he did, but if he did, it would be bad. This really is a silly way to argue. You can’t make a supposition about an event, that may occur in the future, and then throw up your hands and say “I’m not saying that, I’m saying IF that!” Never mind that there’s no basis for the if. So no, it’s not strong. It’s a way of providing yourself an out should someone call you out on your totally speculative point. Put it this way: you can’t say “it’d be terrible for Carter to leave if Ewing was beating him mercilessly ever day.” Yeah, you said “if” but you have zero basis for what came after. Isn't the basis for my comment the fact that Carter transferred? The conversation went this way due to the fact that posters were saying that it wasn't a big deal that the last kid on the bench decided to transfer because of the staffs need to "upgrade" the talent on the team... In response to this, I wondered if that was going to be the norm considering the fact that Gtown was going to have 2 more scholarship players available this coming season than were available this past season... I then stated "if so" I would consider that poor roster management and poor use of resources.. What's wrong with stating it that way?
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Post by DanMcQ on May 2, 2019 8:59:39 GMT -5
... and people wonder why we limit status speculation about specific current student athletes ...
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Post by njhoya78 on May 2, 2019 9:10:04 GMT -5
Just an idle thought.
We, as Hoya fans/alumni/followers, want the basketball program to compete and succeed. Yet whenever the issue of roster utilization is raised, or a student/athlete transfers for what they perceive to be a better opportunity to play elsewhere, we wring our collective hands. This is not akin to paying student/athletes and/or their families under the table, as has been exposed to be the case at other universities.
If we want to compete with the big boys, we have to be willing to assume some of the characteristics and procedures of the big boys which, while odious to our proper sensibilities as Sons and Daughters of Georgetown, are still in full and complete compliance with NCAA rules.
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Post by EtomicB on May 2, 2019 9:32:12 GMT -5
... and people wonder why we limit status speculation about specific current student athletes ... But isn't the speculation in this case relevant since Gtown was over its scholarship limit?
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Post by njhoya78 on May 2, 2019 9:33:15 GMT -5
... and people wonder why we limit status speculation about specific current student athletes ... But isn't the speculation in this case relevant since Gtown was over its scholarship limit? Since when is relevance a prerequisite for posting on HoyaTalk?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 2, 2019 9:47:22 GMT -5
In principle, I don't like seeing Carter go, especially if he wanted to stay (which we don't know). That being said, I don't think anybody on HoyaTalk will be complaining when/if we win games because Allen/Gardner/Wahab are on the roster. Will people stop with this crap? There’s absolutely nothing factual to indicate that Carter wanted to stay, thus nothing to offend your vaunted “principles”. Try Occams Razor on this one. The last player on the bench leaves to seek more playing time. Seems cut-and-dry to all those not grasping for conspiracies to make the current coach look bad. You are so quick and reflexive to respond to my posts that you didn't even notice that I specifically indicated "we don't know." And I acknowledged the same in other previous posts. Heck, I was one of the people defending the kid and staff against some of the accusations. For what it's worth, I think it's great that Ewing recruited Allen/Gardner, even if it meant that Carter had to move on. So the only place these anti-coach conspiracies exist is in your head.
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