EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 30, 2019 21:47:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure that all the players brought in who are similar to Carter are an upgrade over him... I also wonder if this is going to be the norm at Gtown where the "end of the bench" kids constantly/consistently transfer out because the staff is "upgrading the talent"... The part I think folks are missing is that Gtown only had 11 scholarship players available to play this season so the folks making comments about Carter being the 13th guy haven't actually counted correctly... So if the 11th guy barely played logic tells me the 12th & 13th player on this coming seasons roster won't play much either, right? Will the end of bench kids be on the chopping block because an "upgrade" is available? If so to me, that's poor roster management and poor use of resources... Nova has dominated the league and they have very few transfers & never use all the 13 scholarships they're allotted... Um.. didn't Nova's 5 star freshman just transfer out? And you're saying this is poor roster management and poor use of resources? Isn't this Ewing's first transfer in two years? Please, how many programs haven't had a player transfer out in 2-3 years? Transfers are common place in college basketball, lets not act like its some disturbing trend unfolding unique to Georgetown. If the guys at the end of your depth chart are the ones transfering, its a good sign. One the ones at the top of the depth chart start transferring we can talk about problems. And yes, you are likely right that the 11th-13th players will likely not play this year, at Georgetown or any school in the country. If they see themselves moving up that depth chart in the next 1-2 years or are happy not playing, they will likely stay. If they don't see themselves improving enough to play and want more that 2 minutes during a blow out, they will likely leave. That is just the way it goes, and the way it should go at any school with interest in winning. Sleepy, I posted that Nova had "very few transfers" not zero. I also posted that "if so, to me that's poor roster management and poor use of resources" Please don't take my words out of context... In the case of Carter, you're ignoring the fact that Gtown was over the scholarship limit..
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Post by sleepy on Apr 30, 2019 21:58:40 GMT -5
Um.. didn't Nova's 5 star freshman just transfer out? And you're saying this is poor roster management and poor use of resources? Isn't this Ewing's first transfer in two years? Please, how many programs haven't had a player transfer out in 2-3 years? Transfers are common place in college basketball, lets not act like its some disturbing trend unfolding unique to Georgetown. If the guys at the end of your depth chart are the ones transfering, its a good sign. One the ones at the top of the depth chart start transferring we can talk about problems. And yes, you are likely right that the 11th-13th players will likely not play this year, at Georgetown or any school in the country. If they see themselves moving up that depth chart in the next 1-2 years or are happy not playing, they will likely stay. If they don't see themselves improving enough to play and want more that 2 minutes during a blow out, they will likely leave. That is just the way it goes, and the way it should go at any school with interest in winning. Sleepy, I posted that Nova had "very few transfers" not zero. I also posted that "if so, to me that's poor roster management and poor use of resources" Please don't take my words out of context... Taking your words out of context would actually make them stronger. In context, you seem to be implying that one bench player transferring in two years is a harbinger of poor roster management and poor use of resources to come. If that isn't your intent, well, I'm sorry, but what are you saying? That have 2-3 players transfer each year would be bad? Of course, but there is nothing to indicate that is even remotely the case or a trend moving forward so it seems like pretending that it is, is a case of being critical for the sake of being critical.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 30, 2019 22:23:15 GMT -5
Sleepy, I posted that Nova had "very few transfers" not zero. I also posted that "if so, to me that's poor roster management and poor use of resources" Please don't take my words out of context... Taking your words out of context would actually make them stronger. In context, you seem to be implying that one bench player transferring in two years is a harbinger of poor roster management and poor use of resources to come. If that isn't your intent, well, I'm sorry, but what are you saying? That have 2-3 players transfer each year would be bad? Of course, but there is nothing to indicate that is even remotely the case or a trend moving forward so it seems like pretending that it is, is a case of being critical for the sake of being critical. Here's what I posted, in what part am I implying that one player transferring is a harbinger of poor roster management? You seem to be ignoring the fact that I posted "if so" prior to talking about poor roster management, in the same way, you ignored the fact that I posted that Nova had "very few transfers" What is even going on in this thread? The last guy in our depth chart is leaving and we are brining in similarly or more talented players in his place. Is this not college basketball in 2019? Or even 2004? Is really so controversial that it deserves multiple pages to dissect it? What are people even arguing about? That player last in the depth chart shouldn't transfer? That we shouldn't upgrade talent as much as possible? Are we just arguing to argue? I'm not sure that all the players brought in who are similar to Carter are an upgrade over him... I also wonder if this is going to be the norm at Gtown where the "end of the bench" kids constantly/consistently transfer out because the staff is "upgrading the talent"... The part I think folks are missing is that Gtown only had 11 scholarship players available to play this season so the folks making comments about Carter being the 13th guy haven't actually counted correctly... So if the 11th guy barely played logic tells me the 12th & 13th player on this coming seasons roster won't play much either, right? Will the end of bench kids be on the chopping block because an "upgrade" is available? If so to me, that's poor roster management and poor use of resources... Nova has dominated the league and they have very few transfers & never use all the 13 scholarships they're allotted...
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Post by sleepy on Apr 30, 2019 22:49:44 GMT -5
Taking your words out of context would actually make them stronger. In context, you seem to be implying that one bench player transferring in two years is a harbinger of poor roster management and poor use of resources to come. If that isn't your intent, well, I'm sorry, but what are you saying? That have 2-3 players transfer each year would be bad? Of course, but there is nothing to indicate that is even remotely the case or a trend moving forward so it seems like pretending that it is, is a case of being critical for the sake of being critical. Here's what I posted, in what part am I implying that one player transferring is a harbinger of poor roster management? You seem to be ignoring the fact that I posted "if so" prior to talking about poor roster management, in the same way, you ignored the fact that I posted that Nova had "very few transfers" I'm not sure that all the players brought in who are similar to Carter are an upgrade over him... I also wonder if this is going to be the norm at Gtown where the "end of the bench" kids constantly/consistently transfer out because the staff is "upgrading the talent"... The part I think folks are missing is that Gtown only had 11 scholarship players available to play this season so the folks making comments about Carter being the 13th guy haven't actually counted correctly... So if the 11th guy barely played logic tells me the 12th & 13th player on this coming seasons roster won't play much either, right? Will the end of bench kids be on the chopping block because an "upgrade" is available? If so to me, that's poor roster management and poor use of resources... Nova has dominated the league and they have very few transfers & never use all the 13 scholarships they're allotted... "I wonder if this is going to be the norm at Georgetown" "Will end of the bench kids be on the chopping block because an upgrade is available" "If so..." I am not ignoring it but just because you couch your statements in soft language like "If So" Or "I wonder" doesn't mean you aren't implying something pretty clearly. That is a harbinger for future poor roster management and/or poor use of resources. I never disputed that that Nova has had few transfers, but Ewing has also had very few transfers, and between the two rosters this season, it is not the transfer from our program that is an example a poor roster management. If anything, they are an example of a how a transfer can be beneficial for both the program and the player.
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Post by CountAardvark on May 1, 2019 0:03:18 GMT -5
Um.. didn't Nova's 5 star freshman just transfer out? And you're saying this is poor roster management and poor use of resources? Isn't this Ewing's first transfer in two years? Please, how many programs haven't had a player transfer out in 2-3 years? Transfers are common place in college basketball, lets not act like its some disturbing trend unfolding unique to Georgetown. If the guys at the end of your depth chart are the ones transfering, its a good sign. One the ones at the top of the depth chart start transferring we can talk about problems. And yes, you are likely right that the 11th-13th players will likely not play this year, at Georgetown or any school in the country. If they see themselves moving up that depth chart in the next 1-2 years or are happy not playing, they will likely stay. If they don't see themselves improving enough to play and want more that 2 minutes during a blow out, they will likely leave. That is just the way it goes, and the way it should go at any school with interest in winning. Sleepy, I posted that Nova had "very few transfers" not zero. I also posted that "if so, to me that's poor roster management and poor use of resources" Please don't take my words out of context... In the case of Carter, you're ignoring the fact that Gtown was over the scholarship limit.. Nobody forced Grayson out. What, should we give him minutes over a better player just to keep him happy? We have a couple players on the roster that play almost nothing (looking at you, Muresan). If they're not happy about that they can leave, or, they can enjoy the 4 free years of college and graduate with a Georgetown degree. A scholarship offer is a chance to prove yourself on a big stage. It's not a guarantee we'll play you if you don't step up.
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Post by HamptonHoya on May 1, 2019 5:05:05 GMT -5
Um.. didn't Nova's 5 star freshman just transfer out? And you're saying this is poor roster management and poor use of resources? Isn't this Ewing's first transfer in two years? Please, how many programs haven't had a player transfer out in 2-3 years? Transfers are common place in college basketball, lets not act like its some disturbing trend unfolding unique to Georgetown. If the guys at the end of your depth chart are the ones transfering, its a good sign. One the ones at the top of the depth chart start transferring we can talk about problems. And yes, you are likely right that the 11th-13th players will likely not play this year, at Georgetown or any school in the country. If they see themselves moving up that depth chart in the next 1-2 years or are happy not playing, they will likely stay. If they don't see themselves improving enough to play and want more that 2 minutes during a blow out, they will likely leave. That is just the way it goes, and the way it should go at any school with interest in winning. Speaking of transfers It worked out for Omer Watahad. He wasn’t going to get PT here but the PT got him noticed at Chattanooga. lmurailsplitters.com/news/2017/10/16/mens-basketball-omar-wattad.aspx?path=mbballGood find on Wattad. He appreciates his time at Georgetown. He transitioned well. Very happy for him. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by jwp91 on May 1, 2019 7:19:34 GMT -5
As we increase the talent on our roster, transfers will be a fact of life.
I was a bit disappointed because I thought Carter had something to offer us as his game evolved. I think many on this board ignore the possibility of skill development. Texas Tech didn’t get the final game with 5 star athletes. We have not been getting 5* athletes recently...we better be focused on skill development.
Maybe the lesson is that everyone on our roster should really be on notice. Hey James, our BE Frosh of the Year....if Cole had wanted to come, you would have been watching from the bench too.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on May 1, 2019 7:49:55 GMT -5
As we increase the talent on our roster, transfers will be a fact of life. I was a bit disappointed because I thought Carter had something to offer us as his game evolved. I think many on this board ignore the possibility of skill development. Texas Tech didn’t get the final game with 5 star athletes. We have not been getting 5* athletes recently...we better be focused on skill development. Maybe the lesson is that everyone on our roster should really be on notice. Hey James, our BE Frosh of the Year....if Cole had wanted to come, you would have been watching from the bench too. Literally, what? James sitting behind Cole? You’re funny.
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Post by bigelephant on May 1, 2019 8:18:32 GMT -5
As we increase the talent on our roster, transfers will be a fact of life. I was a bit disappointed because I thought Carter had something to offer us as his game evolved. I think many on this board ignore the possibility of skill development. Texas Tech didn’t get the final game with 5 star athletes. We have not been getting 5* athletes recently...we better be focused on skill development. Maybe the lesson is that everyone on our roster should really be on notice. Hey James, our BE Frosh of the Year....if Cole had wanted to come, you would have been watching from the bench too. Yes James would be watching from the bench during his regular rest periods to catch his breath.
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Post by EtomicB on May 1, 2019 8:29:02 GMT -5
Here's what I posted, in what part am I implying that one player transferring is a harbinger of poor roster management? You seem to be ignoring the fact that I posted "if so" prior to talking about poor roster management, in the same way, you ignored the fact that I posted that Nova had "very few transfers" "I wonder if this is going to be the norm at Georgetown" "Will end of the bench kids be on the chopping block because an upgrade is available" "If so..." I am not ignoring it but just because you couch your statements in soft language like "If So" Or "I wonder" doesn't mean you aren't implying something pretty clearly. That is a harbinger for future poor roster management and/or poor use of resources. I never disputed that that Nova has had few transfers, but Ewing has also had very few transfers, and between the two rosters this season, it is not the transfer from our program that is an example a poor roster management. If anything, they are an example of a how a transfer can be beneficial for both the program and the player. The "if so" part is not soft at all,it's strong... It's strong because it doesn't speak on how I feel now but of how I'll feel if the transfers of young players become the norm at Gtown... If you weren't disputing my thoughts on Nova's transfers, then why did you post the snarky "ummm.. Didn't Nova's 5 star player just transfer?" In response to my post?
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Post by bostonfan on May 1, 2019 8:49:48 GMT -5
Transfers in D1 basketball are going to occur these days. With the pressure on programs and staffs to compete on a really high level every year, the need to constantly bring in the best talent is going to force some players to not get the playing time they envisioned when the committed to a program. If everyone wants Georgetown to be a major contender every year then the staff needs to always be looking for better players. It is unfortunate that this may cause some recruited players to look for other opportunities, but it is part of life in college basketball these days and I don't blame the coaches, or the players that transfer, for doing what they need to do to reach their goals.
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Post by calhoya on May 1, 2019 9:15:42 GMT -5
Transfers in D1 basketball are going to occur these days. With the pressure on programs and staffs to compete on a really high level every year, the need to constantly bring in the best talent is going to force some players to not get the playing time they envisioned when the committed to a program. If everyone wants Georgetown to be a major contender every year then the staff needs to always be looking for better players. It is unfortunate that this may cause some recruited players to look for other opportunities, but it is part of life in college basketball these days and I don't blame the coaches, or the players that transfer, for doing what they need to do to reach their goals. Agree with this but also think that if coaches have the right to recruit over kids, then the transfer process should be changed to avoid penalizing the kids who understandably do not want to sit on the bench for 3 years. So assuming that Carter read the handwriting on the wall or possibly was informed by the coaching staff that he would not receive any significant playing time next year with all the incoming bigs, is there any rational reason he should have to sit out the year? Coaches move without penalty, Athletic Directors move without the penalty, and even players in the so-called non-revenue sports move without penalty. Time to end this ridiculous system that punishes only the football and basketball players.
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Post by hoyainla on May 1, 2019 9:18:26 GMT -5
Sleepy, I posted that Nova had "very few transfers" not zero. I also posted that "if so, to me that's poor roster management and poor use of resources" Please don't take my words out of context... In the case of Carter, you're ignoring the fact that Gtown was over the scholarship limit.. Nobody forced Grayson out. What, should we give him minutes over a better player just to keep him happy? We have a couple players on the roster that play almost nothing (looking at you, Muresan). If they're not happy about that they can leave, or, they can enjoy the 4 free years of college and graduate with a Georgetown degree. A scholarship offer is a chance to prove yourself on a big stage. It's not a guarantee we'll play you if you don't step up. Another terrible post. Comparing Muresan to a scholarship player while assuming Muresan is a scholarship player is funny. Also do you know for sure Grayson wasn’t forced out? Would you consider his scholarship getting taken away as being forced out?
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Post by hoyainla on May 1, 2019 9:23:49 GMT -5
Transfers in D1 basketball are going to occur these days. With the pressure on programs and staffs to compete on a really high level every year, the need to constantly bring in the best talent is going to force some players to not get the playing time they envisioned when the committed to a program. If everyone wants Georgetown to be a major contender every year then the staff needs to always be looking for better players. It is unfortunate that this may cause some recruited players to look for other opportunities, but it is part of life in college basketball these days and I don't blame the coaches, or the players that transfer, for doing what they need to do to reach their goals. Agree with this but also think that if coaches have the right to recruit over kids, then the transfer process should be changed to avoid penalizing the kids who understandably do not want to sit on the bench for 3 years. So assuming that Carter read the handwriting on the wall or possibly was informed by the coaching staff that he would not receive any significant playing time next year with all the incoming bigs, is there any rational reason he should have to sit out the year? Coaches move without penalty, Athletic Directors move without the penalty, and even players in the so-called non-revenue sports move without penalty. Time to end this ridiculous system that punishes only the football and basketball players. I agree with this but the recruited over aspect of it would be a very gray area that a committee would like have to decide similar to what they already do. For instance I’m not sure Grayson was recruited over in the aspect of nobody brought in really plays his position. The closest would be Wilson and I doubt he would actually play over Grayson next year. The NCAA is such an inconsistent mess this would lead to more controversy. On the other hand if a players scholarship is given away that should be a black and white not have to sit out situation.
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Post by professorhoya on May 1, 2019 9:38:38 GMT -5
When did Grayson Carter become the next Chosen One?
Macklin didn’t even get this kind of love when he transferred.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on May 1, 2019 10:22:22 GMT -5
When did Grayson Carter become the next Chosen One? Macklin didn’t even get this kind of love when he transferred. Who cares about him, he was only a 5 star who got a cup of coffee in the league, not Grayson “Klay” Carter
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Post by Ranch Dressing on May 1, 2019 10:31:05 GMT -5
Again, I hate to see a good guy like Grayson go, but if Ewing made the decision to bring in 6 new guys, Carter and Blair were the 2 most likely choices to leave. It is not surprising at all. Grayson really hadn't anything on the court. Ewing saw him in practice every day, a much more meaningful gauge of his potential and going-forward role on the team.
Ewing is in "talent upgrade" mode. Unfortunately, this means we will lose some lesser guys when/if recruiting success increases.
If Ewing whiffs on Q-Dub, Galen, and Myron, then Grayson has a spot and clearer visibility to playing time.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 1, 2019 10:48:47 GMT -5
Expect some transfers from the end of the bench going forward. Kids want to play- they are not here for the education alone. 😉
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Post by drquigley on May 1, 2019 10:50:02 GMT -5
Please stop. When you rebuild something you inevitably have to get rid of stuff, both old stuff that was there to begin with and stuff you may have bought but then realized doesn't fit or in some way doesn't meet your needs. I'm sure when PE recruited Carter he knew he would need a big man to replace Jesse and Trey. But having seen Carter practice and play he realized that he didn't fit and there were now other, better, options available. I'm sure Carter saw it too. Are posters saying we should try to keep Carter for 4 years even though the guy we brought in to rebuild the program thinks he needed someone better? Carter could have stayed and fought to get more pt. But obviously he's no fool. He knows he'd be third or fourth off the bench next year and probably for the next 3 years so he transferring to a school where he can start. No big deal. Let's move on.
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Post by lichoya68 on May 1, 2019 10:53:45 GMT -5
Sleepy, I posted that Nova had "very few transfers" not zero. I also posted that "if so, to me that's poor roster management and poor use of resources" Please don't take my words out of context... In the case of Carter, you're ignoring the fact that Gtown was over the scholarship limit.. Nobody forced Grayson out. What, should we give him minutes over a better player just to keep him happy? We have a couple players on the roster that play almost nothing (looking at you, Muresan). If they're not happy about that they can leave, or, they can enjoy the 4 free years of college and graduate with a Georgetown degree. A scholarship offer is a chance to prove yourself on a big stage. It's not a guarantee we'll play you if you don't step up. HEY GEORGE IS A WALK ON NO FREE RIDE just loves to be a hoya gotta wanna be a hoya yup
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