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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Apr 29, 2019 13:47:10 GMT -5
Not a surprise. I wish him well.
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 29, 2019 13:52:15 GMT -5
Well this sucks....right now we only have Akinjo and Yurt7 that I trust as 3pt shooters...and I still haven't seen Yurt7 do it in game situations....
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 29, 2019 14:05:15 GMT -5
He never got any run last year. Stroke looked good though.
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Post by CountAardvark on Apr 29, 2019 14:08:57 GMT -5
Shame, I was kinda hoping he'd have a breakout year. Still, it makes sense. He was probably not gonna get many minutes behind LeBlanc and Gardner and Alexander and Pickett and the rest of our frontcourt guys. Wish him the best.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Apr 29, 2019 14:13:43 GMT -5
Well this sucks....right now we only have Akinjo and Yurt7 that I trust as 3pt shooters...and I still haven't seen Yurt7 do it in game situations.... Same concern was expressed last year. We ended up being safely above average from 3. Yes we lose Jessie (and Mal’s low volume), but we also lose someone who definitely had the lowest 3pt percentage in GU history of players who took a regular amount (Trey). And in theory, our current players will continue to improve.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 29, 2019 14:37:38 GMT -5
Same concern was expressed last year. We ended up being safely above average from 3. Yes we lose Jessie (and Mal’s low volume), but we also lose someone who definitely had the lowest 3pt percentage in GU history of players who took a regular amount . Perfect example of "Addition by Subtraction"
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Post by bigelephant on Apr 29, 2019 14:39:32 GMT -5
Well this sucks....right now we only have Akinjo and Yurt7 that I trust as 3pt shooters...and I still haven't seen Yurt7 do it in game situations.... Mac had a 32% in 15 Big East games - he missed three due to injury.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 29, 2019 14:56:37 GMT -5
Well this sucks....right now we only have Akinjo and Yurt7 that I trust as 3pt shooters...and I still haven't seen Yurt7 do it in game situations.... Mac had a 32% in 15 Big East games - he missed three due to injury. Mac was hitting at a higher rate until the last few games. I am betting on him putting up better numbers as a soph Terrell Allen hit 40% last year Alexander can hit from outside. Where did we end up last year? I recall we were one of the leading 3 pt shooting teams in the conference for quite a while.
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Post by DallasHoya on Apr 29, 2019 15:18:37 GMT -5
Well this sucks....right now we only have Akinjo and Yurt7 that I trust as 3pt shooters...and I still haven't seen Yurt7 do it in game situations.... I don't know how you can trust anyone who took only 9 three pointers the entire season, and only 6 in BE play. Just too small a sample size to accurately assess anything.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 29, 2019 15:27:55 GMT -5
Mac had a 32% in 15 Big East games - he missed three due to injury. Mac was hitting at a higher rate until the last few games. I am betting on him putting up better numbers as a soph Trey Allen hit 40% last yearAlexander can hit from outside. Where did we end up last year? I recall we were one of the leading 3 pt shooting teams in the conference for quite a while. This is not directed only at you Sir Saxa but I'm tired of people keep quoting the %40 from 3FG that Allen shot last year. This is where numbers lie. He only made 26 3FGM last season and 54 total in his three years of college basketball action. In 18 conference games, Allen made a whopping 10 3FGM in 31 attempts (31% 3FG%). He is in n NO WAY a Perimeter shooter. He also doesn't get to the FT line (58 total in each of the last 2 seasons) and is average from there at best (72% last season). The truth is Allen is not a shooter or much of a scorer. He's a table setter and capable defender. Nothing more, nothing less...
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Post by madgesiq92 on Apr 29, 2019 15:28:43 GMT -5
Mac had a 32% in 15 Big East games - he missed three due to injury. Mac was hitting at a higher rate until the last few games. I am betting on him putting up better numbers as a soph Trey Allen hit 40% last year Alexander can hit from outside. Where did we end up last year? I recall we were one of the leading 3 pt shooting teams in the conference for quite a while. We were mid pack--I think 4th overall and 6th in Big East play (Butler, Nova, Hoyas) all real close. Govan led the team in 3 point percentage among those with meaningful numbers, and his long range shooting efficiency (if not volume) will need to be replaced by Yurt (who is more than capable). When you look at Mac's numbers, I hope his attempts from 3 go down this year. Will be a much more efficient player if he uses his strengths in getting to basket to finish and draw fouls like he did in his better performances.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Apr 29, 2019 19:31:13 GMT -5
Not surprised especially if I can play all my big's at the 4/5 positions and maintain a height advantage. Furthermore, he didn't really seem to grasp the offence or the defense last year, he always appeared to be out of position. I will say this in his defense he played strong in the paint for a undersized PF, I think it was the first Xavier game where he gave us some solid minutes against Zach Hankins. We didn't win that game and Hankins was taken it to Govan, as I recall.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Apr 29, 2019 20:25:59 GMT -5
Mac was hitting at a higher rate until the last few games. I am betting on him putting up better numbers as a soph Trey Allen hit 40% last year Alexander can hit from outside. Where did we end up last year? I recall we were one of the leading 3 pt shooting teams in the conference for quite a while. We were mid pack--I think 4th overall and 6th in Big East play (Butler, Nova, Hoyas) all real close. Govan led the team in 3 point percentage among those with meaningful numbers, and his long range shooting efficiency (if not volume) will need to be replaced by Yurt (who is more than capable). When you look at Mac's numbers, I hope his attempts from 3 go down this year. Will be a much more efficient player if he uses his strengths in getting to basket to finish and draw fouls like he did in his better performances. I tracked this all season for the board. In the 18 regular season conference games, we shot 37.1% from 3, good for 3rd in the league play. And we finished 4th in 3PFG made after Nova, Creighton, and Marquette. We had a very solid year shooting from 3. Our 2PFG efficiency numbers were much worse.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 29, 2019 20:31:32 GMT -5
I don't expect my following opinion to be a popular one but I'm not crazy about the addition of Allen since it seems to look like it came at the subtraction of Carter. I see a lot more value in potentially three more years of Grayson Carter over one year of Allen...
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Post by trillesthoya on Apr 29, 2019 20:35:44 GMT -5
I don't expect my following opinion to be a popular one but I'm not crazy about the addition of Allen since it seems to look like it came at the subtraction of Carter. I see a lot more value in potentially three more years of Grayson Carter over one year of Allen... We are in win-now mode. Stability at the back up point guard spot and some shooting to boot is far more important than a third string PF/C. Not even any guarantee he would ever become a major part of the rotation with QW, Ighoefe and Wilson developing at the same time.
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 29, 2019 20:44:19 GMT -5
I guess one of the big questions facing this team is whether bigs (Yurt, Q, Tim, or Wilson) can give us anything at the wing and under what circumstances.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 29, 2019 20:49:29 GMT -5
I don't expect my following opinion to be a popular one but I'm not crazy about the addition of Allen since it seems to look like it came at the subtraction of Carter. I see a lot more value in potentially three more years of Grayson Carter over one year of Allen... We are in win-now mode. Stability at the back up point guard spot and some shooting to boot is far more important than a third string PF/C. Not even any guarantee he would ever become a major part of the rotation with QW, Ighoefe and Wilson developing at the same time. Don't fool yourself, Allen gives you very very little shooting. He's a table setter and capable defender. Nothing more! Jagan at the backup PG brings more to the table including being a much better athlete. We know what Allen brings to the table. We have no idea what Carter will be....
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Post by kbones17 on Apr 29, 2019 21:10:16 GMT -5
We are in win-now mode. Stability at the back up point guard spot and some shooting to boot is far more important than a third string PF/C. Not even any guarantee he would ever become a major part of the rotation with QW, Ighoefe and Wilson developing at the same time. Don't fool yourself, Allen gives you very very little shooting. He's a table setter and capable defender. Nothing more! Jagan at the backup PG brings more to the table including being a much better athlete. We have no idea what Carter will be.... I like the Allen addition and I agree he will primarily be a table setter and defender. He has played a lot of basketball and played 30 minutes for a good UCF team; we will find a valuable role for him. Carter had a solid looking stroke but, like others have noted, he seemed like a tweener to me. Not big/physical enough to be a true big, not quick or athletic enough to be a wing. I’m picturing a wing rotation/competition of Pickett/Alexander/Gardner and big rotation of Leblanc/Yurt/Wahab.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 29, 2019 21:56:07 GMT -5
This is not directed only at you Sir Saxa but I'm tired of people keep quoting the %40 from 3FG that Allen shot last year. This is where numbers lie. He only made 26 3FGM last season and 54 total in his three years of college basketball action. In 18 conference games, Allen made a whopping 10 3FGM in 31 attempts (31% 3FG%). He is in n NO WAY a Perimeter shooter. He also doesn't get to the FT line (58 total in each of the last 2 seasons) and is average from there at best (72% last season). The truth is Allen is not a shooter or much of a scorer. He's a table setter and capable defender. Nothing more, nothing less...[/quote] Fair enough 4Ever....and thank you for your comments and perspective. I never suggested Allen would be a heavy shooter. He won't be coming in off the bench to shoot threes. If he is a solid ball handler, passer, team leader AND he can play defense well, he will be an important addition to the team. Very important. Nonetheless, compare his numbers to Malinowski, who was a designated 3 pt shooter. Greg shot 36/93 for 38.7% last year -- in 15 mpg Terrell Allen shot 26/64, 40.6%, in 30 mpg Greg had 2.0 APG, Terrell 4.3 APG If I gave you the impression I was expecting TA to come in, start firing away and pile up the 3s next year, that was not my intention. I am hoping he can be a "keep them honest" kid on the perimeter. IF we have other primary scorers on the floor with him, teams might not see him as much of a threat to score - and be more worried about his passing. If they pull back and leave him some room - one might expect him to shoot threes at a decent clip - if last year is an indication. I am hoping for a high percentage, rather than high volume. I think it's ok to include him as ONE OF the kids who might contribute 3s. Patrick knows we need 3 point shooters. Potentially, they include: Yurt Pickett Akinjo Mac Alexander even LeBlanc.. if he starts to trust his shot more, and maybe gets some plays called his way. and yes, Allen, while not a primary shooter off the bench, could still have an impact. The team will have to shoot well, and have multiple deep threats.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 29, 2019 22:13:42 GMT -5
This is not directed only at you Sir Saxa but I'm tired of people keep quoting the %40 from 3FG that Allen shot last year. This is where numbers lie. He only made 26 3FGM last season and 54 total in his three years of college basketball action. In 18 conference games, Allen made a whopping 10 3FGM in 31 attempts (31% 3FG%). He is in n NO WAY a Perimeter shooter. He also doesn't get to the FT line (58 total in each of the last 2 seasons) and is average from there at best (72% last season). The truth is Allen is not a shooter or much of a scorer. He's a table setter and capable defender. Nothing more, nothing less... Fair enough 4Ever....and thank you for your comments and perspective. I never suggested Allen would be a heavy shooter. He won't be coming in off the bench to shoot threes. If he is a solid ball handler, passer, team leader AND he can play defense well, he will be an important addition to the team. Very important. Nonetheless, compare his numbers to Malinowski, who was a designated 3 pt shooter. Greg shot 36/93 for 38.7% last year -- in 15 mpg Terrell Allen shot 26/64, 40.6%, in 30 mpg Greg had 2.0 APG, Terrell 4.3 APG If I gave you the impression I was expecting TA to come in, start firing away and pile up the 3s next year, that was not my intention. I am hoping he can be a "keep them honest" kid on the perimeter. IF we have other primary scorers on the floor with him, teams might not see him as much of a threat to score - and be more worried about his passing. If they pull back and leave him some room - one might expect him to shoot threes at a decent clip - if last year is an indication. I am hoping for a high percentage, rather than high volume. I think it's ok to include him as ONE OF the kids who might contribute 3s. Patrick knows we need 3 point shooters. Potentially, they include: Yurt Pickett Akinjo Mac Alexander even LeBlanc.. if he starts to trust his shot more, and maybe gets some plays called his way. and yes, Allen, while not a primary shooter off the bench, could still have an impact. The team will have to shoot well, and have multiple deep threats. Is this the goal of the program at this point when bringing in a 5th year transfer? If so I'd rather have Grayson Carter. People keep saying Carter is a tweener. 15 years ago that was an issue. Now in the age of multi skilled positionless basketball being a tweener can be. and is used as an advantage. I also worry about the trade off of Allen taking important minutes from somebody else. Obviously Coach Ewing and the staff have a plan and I trust them, so we will see how Allen will be used and his fit...
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