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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 19, 2018 16:16:47 GMT -5
Agau did say he never had to study at Louisville. Kids want basketball 24/7, not stress over exams.
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Post by hoya9797 on Oct 19, 2018 16:24:49 GMT -5
What I don't get is why would you take a chance with your eligibility and go to multiple time Level 1 Rules Violator Louisville. I know the spin is Louisville has cleaned house and people think the NCAA's inept but even the NCAA can't mess this up. Have to imagine Louisville at some point in the next couple years won't at minimum be banned from post season play... Wouldn't want any of these recruits because they have already proven they lack the most important skill needed to be successful on the court and in the classroom. They lack the ability to make smart decisions. What these recruits are doing right now is running into a burning building, grabbing a seat on the couch and kicking their feet up with the tv remote in hand like nothing's wrong.... I agree wholeheartedly with this take on Louisville, punish them by limiting scholarships for 2 or 3 years but not by using bans of any kind... bigredlouie.com/2018/10/10/death-penalty-as-a-punishment-for-louisville-basketball-is-beyond-unlikely/We are on the verge of the multi billion dollar launch of the ACC Network via ESPN and you think anyone involved in that business decision wants a storied program like Louisville to not be on that network? Not allowing Louisville to play or even not to play on television means The ACC, ESPN, and every team in the ACC is losing out on cash. I have not read the network contract but would bet the mortgage that the NCAA pockets some cash there somehow.
Not only would money be lost if Louisville is left off of television but if there is another post season ban the ACC would miss out on millions of dollars. The ACC would earn money for Louisville just making the tournament but even more as it moved along in the tournament so the last thing the ACC wants is for Louisville to be wiped from playing in any way.Definitely no way to pay the players.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Oct 19, 2018 16:25:50 GMT -5
Top Kids expect to get paid. The system is broken. Any system where top talent doesn't get paid is broken.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 19, 2018 16:50:20 GMT -5
What I don't get is why would you take a chance with your eligibility and go to multiple time Level 1 Rules Violator Louisville. I know the spin is Louisville has cleaned house and people think the NCAA's inept but even the NCAA can't mess this up. Have to imagine Louisville at some point in the next couple years won't at minimum be banned from post season play... Wouldn't want any of these recruits because they have already proven they lack the most important skill needed to be successful on the court and in the classroom. They lack the ability to make smart decisions. What these recruits are doing right now is running into a burning building, grabbing a seat on the couch and kicking their feet up with the tv remote in hand like nothing's wrong.... Well we kinda already have, at least once with Akoy Agau. Maybe Akoy Agau could explain the appeal of playing for Louisville. Akoy Agau left Louisville before all the illegalities were exposed. He has returned under a completely different administration...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 19, 2018 17:06:01 GMT -5
What I don't get is why would you take a chance with your eligibility and go to multiple time Level 1 Rules Violator Louisville. I know the spin is Louisville has cleaned house and people think the NCAA's inept but even the NCAA can't mess this up. Have to imagine Louisville at some point in the next couple years won't at minimum be banned from post season play... Wouldn't want any of these recruits because they have already proven they lack the most important skill needed to be successful on the court and in the classroom. They lack the ability to make smart decisions. What these recruits are doing right now is running into a burning building, grabbing a seat on the couch and kicking their feet up with the tv remote in hand like nothing's wrong.... I agree wholeheartedly with this take on Louisville, punish them by limiting scholarships for 2 or 3 years but not by using bans of any kind... bigredlouie.com/2018/10/10/death-penalty-as-a-punishment-for-louisville-basketball-is-beyond-unlikely/We are on the verge of the multi billion dollar launch of the ACC Network via ESPN and you think anyone involved in that business decision wants a storied program like Louisville to not be on that network? Not allowing Louisville to play or even not to play on television means The ACC, ESPN, and every team in the ACC is losing out on cash. I have not read the network contract but would bet the mortgage that the NCAA pockets some cash there somehow.
Not only would money be lost if Louisville is left off of television but if there is another post season ban the ACC would miss out on millions of dollars. The ACC would earn money for Louisville just making the tournament but even more as it moved along in the tournament so the last thing the ACC wants is for Louisville to be wiped from playing in any way.The NCAA should be concerned with how the penalty will effect the cheating party just as much as Louisville was concerned with how their cheating effected all the other D1 programs, particularly those that run clean programs. Losing 2 or 3 scholarships doesn't really hurt a program since a lot of programs don't use all 13 scholarships. Several high level programs function very well with just 10 or 11 scholarship players. You want a deterrent to programs and the only deterrent that these programs feel is cutting off their cash flow. At least 2-3 year post seasons ban would do the trick. If the NCAA really wanted to send a message to the rest of the country a 1 year Death Penalty would make programs across the country think the NCAA is serious and make them at least think twice before cheating.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 19, 2018 20:36:32 GMT -5
I agree wholeheartedly with this take on Louisville, punish them by limiting scholarships for 2 or 3 years but not by using bans of any kind... bigredlouie.com/2018/10/10/death-penalty-as-a-punishment-for-louisville-basketball-is-beyond-unlikely/We are on the verge of the multi billion dollar launch of the ACC Network via ESPN and you think anyone involved in that business decision wants a storied program like Louisville to not be on that network? Not allowing Louisville to play or even not to play on television means The ACC, ESPN, and every team in the ACC is losing out on cash. I have not read the network contract but would bet the mortgage that the NCAA pockets some cash there somehow.
Not only would money be lost if Louisville is left off of television but if there is another post season ban the ACC would miss out on millions of dollars. The ACC would earn money for Louisville just making the tournament but even more as it moved along in the tournament so the last thing the ACC wants is for Louisville to be wiped from playing in any way.The NCAA should be concerned with how the penalty will effect the cheating party just as much as Louisville was concerned with how their cheating effected all the other D1 programs, particularly those that run clean programs. Losing 2 or 3 scholarships doesn't really hurt a program since a lot of programs don't use all 13 scholarships. Several high level programs function very well with just 10 or 11 scholarship players. You want a deterrent to programs and the only deterrent that these programs feel is cutting off their cash flow. At least 2-3 year post seasons ban would do the trick. If the NCAA really wanted to send a message to the rest of the country a 1 year Death Penalty would make programs across the country think the NCAA is serious and make them at least think twice before cheating. Not sure how L'ville hiring women had a negative effect on Gtown or any other program.. Take away 5 or 6 schollies then or 6 or 7, it'd be fine by me.. How about taking 4 for the 2020-21 class, 6 for the 2021-22 class would that be a solid punishment? Just don't give them any type of ban, let the players who had nothing to do with any of the past misdeeds have something to play for...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 19, 2018 21:04:13 GMT -5
The NCAA should be concerned with how the penalty will effect the cheating party just as much as Louisville was concerned with how their cheating effected all the other D1 programs, particularly those that run clean programs. Losing 2 or 3 scholarships doesn't really hurt a program since a lot of programs don't use all 13 scholarships. Several high level programs function very well with just 10 or 11 scholarship players. You want a deterrent to programs and the only deterrent that these programs feel is cutting off their cash flow. At least 2-3 year post seasons ban would do the trick. If the NCAA really wanted to send a message to the rest of the country a 1 year Death Penalty would make programs across the country think the NCAA is serious and make them at least think twice before cheating. Not sure how L'ville hiring women had a negative effect on Gtown or any other program.. Take away 5 or 6 schollies then or 6 or 7, it'd be fine by me.. How about taking 4 for the 2020-21 class, 6 for the 2021-22 class would that be a solid punishment? Just don't give them any type of ban, let the players who had nothing to do with any of the past misdeeds have something to play for... Don't understand the reference you made regarding a "Louisville hiring women had a negative effect". Logistically it's impossible to takeaway that many scholarships in a two year period and have the program function. Also it does a disservice to the rest of the conference and those teams on their OOC schedule. Typically in the past when a program has been placed on a post season ban, the NCAA announces it in the spring allowing all the players at the penalized program the ability to transfer with immediate eligibility if they want to.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 19, 2018 22:07:13 GMT -5
Not sure how L'ville hiring women had a negative effect on Gtown or any other program.. Take away 5 or 6 schollies then or 6 or 7, it'd be fine by me.. How about taking 4 for the 2020-21 class, 6 for the 2021-22 class would that be a solid punishment? Just don't give them any type of ban, let the players who had nothing to do with any of the past misdeeds have something to play for... Don't understand the reference you made regarding a "Louisville hiring women had a negative effect". Logistically it's impossible to takeaway that many scholarships in a two year period and have the program function. Also it does a disservice to the rest of the conference and those teams on their OOC schedule. Typically in the past when a program has been placed on a post season ban, the NCAA announces it in the spring allowing all the players at the penalized program the ability to transfer with immediate eligibility if they want to. The NCAA vacated their wins due to the staff hiring of women to "work" parties for players & recruits... Don't you want them to hurt for their misdeeds?
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 19, 2018 22:41:34 GMT -5
Don't understand the reference you made regarding a "Louisville hiring women had a negative effect". Logistically it's impossible to takeaway that many scholarships in a two year period and have the program function. Also it does a disservice to the rest of the conference and those teams on their OOC schedule. Typically in the past when a program has been placed on a post season ban, the NCAA announces it in the spring allowing all the players at the penalized program the ability to transfer with immediate eligibility if they want to. The NCAA vacated their wins due to the staff hiring of women to "work" parties for players & recruits... Don't you want them to hurt for their misdeeds? The way you phrased "hiring women" completely through me off and makes it sound as if wasn't reprehensible. They hired prostitutes for recruits ava members of the team. We also don't know if those prostitution parties influenced any of the recruits In deciding to attend Louisville. "Do I want them published for their misdeeds?"HE[[ YEAH Absolutely!!!I've been the main poster saying they should get the Death Penalty or at least a 3 year post season ban.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 19, 2018 22:47:57 GMT -5
The NCAA vacated their wins due to the staff hiring of women to "work" parties for players & recruits... Don't you want them to hurt for their misdeeds? The way you phrased "hiring women" completely through me off and makes it sound as if wasn't reprehensible. They hired prostitutes for recruits ava members of the team. We also don't know if those prostitution parties influenced any of the recruits In deciding to attend Louisville. "Do I want them published for their misdeeds?"HE[[ YEAH ...ABSOLUTELY!!!I've been the main poster saying they should get the Death Penalty or at least a 3 year post season ban.
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Post by turbohoya on Feb 1, 2021 15:48:27 GMT -5
Watching a bit of this Louisville/GTech game and was left wondering about this kid... was top 50 coming out of HS right?
he was injured, is he still injured?
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Post by dchoya72 on Feb 2, 2021 11:40:16 GMT -5
I don't hear anything about him. I thought he would do great things.
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Post by trillesthoya on Feb 2, 2021 13:03:44 GMT -5
Watching a bit of this Louisville/GTech game and was left wondering about this kid... was top 50 coming out of HS right? he was injured, is he still injured? He has been pretty consistently injured since he got to campus. If he was ever looking for a change of scenery he is still a very talented player...
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 15, 2021 20:06:08 GMT -5
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Post by turbohoya on Mar 15, 2021 20:26:43 GMT -5
With his injury history I wonder if he is a sit 1 to play 3
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Post by dchoya72 on Mar 15, 2021 21:35:02 GMT -5
Now that guy, I think would be worth taking a chance on. If he could join our program and learn from Coach Ewing, and improve, he could be what we're looking for, a power forward. He got lots of press before making his decision and has been quiet ever since. Does anyone know what happened with him?
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Post by turbohoya on Mar 16, 2021 10:25:50 GMT -5
Now that guy, I think would be worth taking a chance on. If he could join our program and learn from Coach Ewing, and improve, he could be what we're looking for, a power forward. He got lots of press before making his decision and has been quiet ever since. Does anyone know what happened with him? Something didn't add up here - he was a super athletic big that somehow lacked the conditioning to stay on the floor (according to Mack) Injuries played a part If he gets a year back through medical and has to sit out 1 to get three years, this could be a great reset for him and intriguing for us, pending a little asking around about what went wrong at LVille
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 16, 2021 11:40:05 GMT -5
There are bound to be a lot of shiny new objects on the transfer market. I hope we keep building internally while maybe picking up a piece or two depending on our own situation. Some of these kids who keep transferring I would stay clear of. I guess Bile fits that definition as does Carey so there has to be a lot of internal due diligence on the mindset of these kids.
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Post by dchoya72 on Mar 16, 2021 12:06:34 GMT -5
Yes, they had him on the Today Show. Perhaps it was because of his Irish lineage. He seemed like a guy with a winning attitude and he looked very fit. Don't know what happened at Louisville. He doesn't have a lot of wear and tear and attitude problems. He's worthy of investigation. I thought he went to St. Johns, but no.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 16, 2021 12:42:37 GMT -5
OF that big class, I think we got extremely lucky with who we got. Stewart left UW after one year, Tshiebwe transferred mid-year this year, Kockburn has been a monster for Illinois and this kid was hurt & now transfers. Q is a better fit for what we are doing than at least three of the four others we were hopeful for. It just goes to show how strange recruiting is.
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