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Post by prhoya on Aug 18, 2017 10:07:26 GMT -5
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Post by 95hoya on Aug 18, 2017 10:16:13 GMT -5
If we're being honest, it doesn't paint a pretty picture. This was kind of my concern, coming from the NBA, is would he get his hands dirty and build the type of bridges needed to land top talent?
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Post by prhoya on Aug 18, 2017 10:24:41 GMT -5
SS, sorry, did not see your post...
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 18, 2017 11:42:28 GMT -5
Fascinating article. Three things that jumped out:
1. Georgetown signed a six year contract. Really?
2. Ewing wants to be a coach but recruiting isn't his thing.
3. Michael Graham's candor.
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Post by justsaying on Aug 18, 2017 12:42:30 GMT -5
Once he show his style of play and began to deliver that dream message (this is what the young players of NBA caliber is looking for) in the right way. I think he will definitely be on his way up and the program as well.
It's getting that connection to the dream noticed by he and his staff.
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Post by hoyalaw33 on Aug 18, 2017 13:09:50 GMT -5
Idk if recruiting really isn't his thing. He's just saying he'd rather capitalize on his experiences as a player by talking directly with recruits and laying out a plan rather than ass-kissing the handlers that are involved nowadays. This might be a bad strategy, but who should the kid trust when it comes to listening to what's best for him to develop? A top 50 HOF player of all time or a handler/AAU coach who has probably never sniffed high level Div 1 ball let alone the NBA. Seems like a good plan in my book for a majority of prospects. We don't want the ones who have baggage attached to them anyway
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Post by beenaround on Aug 18, 2017 13:52:48 GMT -5
Interesting article for sure. It does seem to say that Pat hasn't yet started making relationships with the DMV's AAU coaches. Hopefully it is simply a matter of being so focused on the various tournaments around the country, as opposed to him not thinking it is important. Not an expert, but seems to me making these relationships will be important.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 14:00:41 GMT -5
Not an expert, but seems to me that having SOME sort of offensive philosophy in mind will also be important.
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Post by centercourt400s on Aug 18, 2017 14:44:07 GMT -5
Not an expert, but seems to me that having SOME sort of offensive philosophy in mind will also be important. Do you really believe that two months short of the start of practice and three months away from the season that a veteran X and Os coach really doesn't have an idea of the offense he wants to run? Should he be publishing the playbook at this point to assuage your worries? And did you miss this part of the article: "He plans to deploy an NBA-style offense, tailoring his attack each season to the strengths of the players on his roster". |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 18, 2017 14:50:24 GMT -5
Not an expert, but seems to me that having SOME sort of offensive philosophy in mind will also be important. This is even more important because, at least right now, we do not have the capability to recruit tons of players who are so good that they can make any offensive system work. You need to recruit to your strengths (or what you want them to be), and if you have no coherent philosophy that cannot happen. I know in the past Ewing has said he wanted an "NBA style" offense - the problem is that means nothing without elaboration, plus we don't have NBA quality recruits coming through the door, so something more direct is needed. To be fair, I think Ewing acknowledged that to some degree: "But you have to be able to have the guys to do it. It is my vision and my goal to get those guys." The problem is I don't think we are going to get those guys without succeeding first without those guys, unless we start killing it on the recruiting trail, and with only one proven high-level recruiter, it's hard to see that happening. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 14:53:43 GMT -5
Not an expert, but seems to me that having SOME sort of offensive philosophy in mind will also be important. Do you really believe that two months short of the start of practice and three months away from the season that a veteran X and Os coach really doesn't have an idea of the offense he wants to run? Should he be publishing the playbook at this point to assuage your worries? And did you miss this part of the article: "He plans to deploy an NBA-style offense, tailoring his attack each season to the strengths of the players on his roster". The ability of some on this board to assume the worst never fails to amaze me. "NBA-style" is a catch-all phrase that means...what, precisely? And it seems like you missed this part of the article: "One talented player recently eliminated Georgetown from consideration, according to an individual familiar with that player’s thinking, in part because he had no idea what style of offense the Hoyas would run under Ewing." I don't give a flying Edited what kind of offense he plans to run - but if he isn't articulating something to the players he's recruiting, that's nuts. You can't say "I'll just build an offense around the talents of the guys I have" without SOME underlying philosophy. Motion offense, dribble-drive, Princeton, Editeding run the Notre Dame burn for all I care. But if a recruit asks "What kind of offense do you run?" you can't just say "Well, whatever I think will work once I get a few guys in here. Trust me." |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 18, 2017 15:02:38 GMT -5
But if a recruit asks "What kind of offense do you run?" you can't just say "Well, whatever I think will work once I get a few guys in here. Trust me." Yes, and it's important to note that a lot of this is marketing, and not all reality. For example, John Thompson III didn't even run a core Princeton system for a lot of years, but he was branded with that and it stuck. JT3 did not work the media well, and I think that was part of his downfall. It's important to give people an idea of what you are doing. Use the media to help - just listen to any basketball game. The commentators, who often don't know anything about the team, rely on talking points. One of those could easily be Ewing's vision. The key is to articulate it and tell everyone about it - not a big deal if you end up changing a bit or evolving after time for the better, that just makes for more positive stories in the future. |
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Post by ewingitrust on Aug 18, 2017 15:14:55 GMT -5
Very insightful article. The process of reaching and mending relationships with the DMV and AAU coaches will continue. Alot of recruits have us on their final list. PE and the staff are definitely on the recruiting trail. Based on the interest alot of recruits have us...this 2018 class has a chance to be better than some have anticipated. Give PE and the staff time but we are trending up. In 2years when we're rolling again, all the skepticism by some, will cease
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 15:18:05 GMT -5
Fascinating article. Three things that jumped out: 1. Georgetown signed a six year contract. Really? 2. Ewing wants to be a coach but recruiting isn't his thing. 3. Michael Graham's candor. 4. How big the egos of these local AAU coaches really are |
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Post by centercourt400s on Aug 18, 2017 15:25:23 GMT -5
Do you really believe that two months short of the start of practice and three months away from the season that a veteran X and Os coach really doesn't have an idea of the offense he wants to run? Should he be publishing the playbook at this point to assuage your worries? And did you miss this part of the article: "He plans to deploy an NBA-style offense, tailoring his attack each season to the strengths of the players on his roster". "NBA-style" is a catch-all phrase that means...what, precisely? And it seems like you missed this part of the article: "One talented player recently eliminated Georgetown from consideration, according to an individual familiar with that player’s thinking, in part because he had no idea what style of offense the Hoyas would run under Ewing." I don't give a flying Edited what kind of offense he plans to run - but if he isn't articulating something to the players he's recruiting, that's nuts. You can't say "I'll just build an offense around the talents of the guys I have" without SOME underlying philosophy. Motion offense, dribble-drive, Princeton, Editeding run the Notre Dame burn for all I care. But if a recruit asks "What kind of offense do you run?" you can't just say "Well, whatever I think will work once I get a few guys in here. Trust me." So you are relying on hearsay from some unknown person about an unknown recruit to draw the conclusion that the hall of fame head coach either has no offensive philosophy or has one but refuses to tell anyone. Really? I would imagine that the subject of style of play comes up frequently in recruiting discussions that Ewing has with prospects. Do you really think he refuses to tell them what he's planning to do? How's that going to go over? And, if you read the recruiting threads there are a large number of talented players who have Georgetown as part of their top 10 or whatever number. Are they getting to that point with no idea about the offense? Seems very unlikely to me. Did Pickett choose to sign on with no idea about the offense? Again, very unlikely. What is more likely is that the unnamed recruit told the unknown person what he told them because he hadn't seen evidence of the offense, and didn't want to commit without more proof. That's a problem that makes sense at least... but that should be behind us by January. |
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Post by One on Aug 18, 2017 15:39:49 GMT -5
Your use of the phrase "the hall of fame head coach" to bolster your argument is wildly misleading with respect to the point you are trying to make here.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Aug 18, 2017 15:46:06 GMT -5
"NBA-style" is a catch-all phrase that means...what, precisely? And it seems like you missed this part of the article: "One talented player recently eliminated Georgetown from consideration, according to an individual familiar with that player’s thinking, in part because he had no idea what style of offense the Hoyas would run under Ewing." I don't give a flying Edited what kind of offense he plans to run - but if he isn't articulating something to the players he's recruiting, that's nuts. You can't say "I'll just build an offense around the talents of the guys I have" without SOME underlying philosophy. Motion offense, dribble-drive, Princeton, Editeding run the Notre Dame burn for all I care. But if a recruit asks "What kind of offense do you run?" you can't just say "Well, whatever I think will work once I get a few guys in here. Trust me." So you are relying on hearsay from some unknown person about an unknown recruit to draw the conclusion that the hall of fame head coach either has no offensive philosophy or has one but refuses to tell anyone. Really? I would imagine that the subject of style of play comes up frequently in recruiting discussions that Ewing has with prospects. Do you really think he refuses to tell them what he's planning to do? How's that going to go over? And, if you read the recruiting threads there are a large number of talented players who have Georgetown as part of their top 10 or whatever number. Are they getting to that point with no idea about the offense? Seems very unlikely to me. Did Pickett choose to sign on with no idea about the offense? Again, very unlikely. What is more likely is that the unnamed recruit told the unknown person what he told them because he hadn't seen evidence of the offense, and didn't want to commit without more proof. That's a problem that makes sense at least... but that should be behind us by January. Agree All this is blah-blah-blah. If the Post liked Georgetown, Ewing would be a "breath of fresh air amongst the AAU sycophants." Instead he's unconventional and aloof. Who cares? Results are all that matter and we'll see soon enough. |
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Post by centercourt400s on Aug 18, 2017 16:04:46 GMT -5
Your use of the phrase "the hall of fame head coach" to bolster your argument is wildly misleading with respect to the point you are trying to make here. Would "hall of famER head coach" look better? Or "head coach and member of the basketball hall of fame"? The point was that it is quite a stretch to use an unnamed teenage recruit's alleged statement to an unnamed person to draw conclusions about the philosophy of a head coach with basketball credentials that led him to the hall of fame. |
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Aug 18, 2017 17:20:53 GMT -5
So you are relying on hearsay from some unknown person about an unknown recruit to draw the conclusion that the hall of fame head coach either has no offensive philosophy or has one but refuses to tell anyone. Really? I would imagine that the subject of style of play comes up frequently in recruiting discussions that Ewing has with prospects. Do you really think he refuses to tell them what he's planning to do? How's that going to go over? And, if you read the recruiting threads there are a large number of talented players who have Georgetown as part of their top 10 or whatever number. Are they getting to that point with no idea about the offense? Seems very unlikely to me. Did Pickett choose to sign on with no idea about the offense? Again, very unlikely. What is more likely is that the unnamed recruit told the unknown person what he told them because he hadn't seen evidence of the offense, and didn't want to commit without more proof. That's a problem that makes sense at least... but that should be behind us by January. Agree All this is blah-blah-blah. If the Post liked Georgetown, Ewing would be a "breath of fresh air amongst the AAU sycophants." Instead he's unconventional and aloof. Who cares? Results are all that matter and we'll see soon enough. Couldn't agree more. White noise. |
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Post by upstatesaxa on Aug 18, 2017 17:29:26 GMT -5
Article confirms that the whole vaunted "search" was a bunch of BS (Disclaimer: PE greatest Hoya ever; I want him to succeed and think he has a good shot; and intriguing lateral move/choice)as a group of us believed at the time and said so here. Folks on this board put more thought into the search than our school did; Big John made the call and Lee Reed says NOW "really he was only choice." That is not how real schools with real AD's operate; instead its typical of our little mom and Pops basketball shop.
For all you True Believers out there, rushing to their keyboards to fire back as if I have uttered some kind of sacrilege, let me ask you this: Big John's contributions to the program and the university are undeniable. But, are they greater than what John Wooden did for UCLA? And how many coaches did UCLA let Wooden select, post retirement? Arguably, one. Big John is now on number three, first two having been tossed.
John Feinstein (whatever you think of him) wrote a pretty interesting book about Dean Smith/Jim Valvano/Coach K, and how they came to be hired. Valvano and K were "outside the box" choices for their schools, K particularly. Like JT2 was back in early 70's. But that type of open minded search paid off hugely. Instead we do it quick but fast.
Doesn't matter at this point - if it doesnt work likely neither Reed nor DeG will be picking next coach
Go Patrick
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