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Post by professorhoya on Nov 27, 2018 21:54:50 GMT -5
I always thought JT2 gave up on coaching when Iverson left early. He saw the writing on the wall, i.e. to be truly competitive you had to recruit kids who had no intention of staying in school. That ran contrary to JT2's stated goal of building the man not just the basketballer. He would be less of an educator and more of an NBA recruiter. To be fair every coach has his time. Look at Jose Mourinho. Was one of the greatest coaches of all time then lost it and is out of touch with the times and the new era of players. Few coaches can sustain dominance for 30-40 years.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 27, 2018 23:19:29 GMT -5
28.3 fg% 27.6% 3fg%, and putting up the numbers you quoted in 25 minutes per game. That is very poor production for a 5th year senior on a Power 5 team. Tre Campbell had very few "moments" as a Hoya - he had roughly 1 good game, at Xavier, in 3 years. He also seemed to quit on his team last year, not playing while remaining on campus, giving little in the way of explanation. I will always believe that prioritizing Campbell over other, more productive guard recruits (including Melo Trimble locally) was one of the keys to JT3 getting fired. Campbell was never considered a top recruit, for some reason was prioritized by JT3, and was then handed the keys to a team with few other guard options, leading to some of JT3's worst teams. He may be a nice kid, but one of the least productive Hoyas in the last 20 years, particularly based on the opportunity he was given. Interesting take. I never got the impression that he gave up on the team at all. Things didn't go as he'd hoped, I'm sure, and certainly not as the coaches or fans would have wanted either. I hope he makes the most of his time at South Carolina and that he, like us, has mostly good memories of his time at Georgetown.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Nov 28, 2018 4:29:51 GMT -5
28.3 fg% 27.6% 3fg%, and putting up the numbers you quoted in 25 minutes per game. That is very poor production for a 5th year senior on a Power 5 team. Tre Campbell had very few "moments" as a Hoya - he had roughly 1 good game, at Xavier, in 3 years. He also seemed to quit on his team last year, not playing while remaining on campus, giving little in the way of explanation. I will always believe that prioritizing Campbell over other, more productive guard recruits (including Melo Trimble locally) was one of the keys to JT3 getting fired. Campbell was never considered a top recruit, for some reason was prioritized by JT3, and was then handed the keys to a team with few other guard options, leading to some of JT3's worst teams. He may be a nice kid, but one of the least productive Hoyas in the last 20 years, particularly based on the opportunity he was given.[/quote That's not true. Tre was a four star guy across the board and a consensus top 100 guy, and an important recruit because he was a local guy and considered a premier point guard in DC high school circles. Now, he didn't come close to playing to those levels as a collegian. But to say he wasn't a top recruit and to insinuate JT3 shouldn't have prioritized him is completely inaccurate. There was plenty of reason for optimism when he committed. His game just never translated to the next level
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Nov 28, 2018 4:30:46 GMT -5
28.3 fg% 27.6% 3fg%, and putting up the numbers you quoted in 25 minutes per game. That is very poor production for a 5th year senior on a Power 5 team. Tre Campbell had very few "moments" as a Hoya - he had roughly 1 good game, at Xavier, in 3 years. He also seemed to quit on his team last year, not playing while remaining on campus, giving little in the way of explanation. I will always believe that prioritizing Campbell over other, more productive guard recruits (including Melo Trimble locally) was one of the keys to JT3 getting fired. Campbell was never considered a top recruit, for some reason was prioritized by JT3, and was then handed the keys to a team with few other guard options, leading to some of JT3's worst teams. He may be a nice kid, but one of the least productive Hoyas in the last 20 years, particularly based on the opportunity he was given. That's not true. Tre was a four star guy across the board and a consensus top 100 guy, and an important recruit because he was a local guy and considered a premier point guard in DC high school circles. Now, he didn't come close to playing to those levels as a collegian. But to say he wasn't a top recruit and to insinuate JT3 shouldn't have prioritized him is completely inaccurate. There was plenty of reason for optimism when he committed. His game just never translated to the next level
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 28, 2018 22:08:35 GMT -5
28.3 fg% 27.6% 3fg%, and putting up the numbers you quoted in 25 minutes per game. That is very poor production for a 5th year senior on a Power 5 team. Tre Campbell had very few "moments" as a Hoya - he had roughly 1 good game, at Xavier, in 3 years. He also seemed to quit on his team last year, not playing while remaining on campus, giving little in the way of explanation. I will always believe that prioritizing Campbell over other, more productive guard recruits (including Melo Trimble locally) was one of the keys to JT3 getting fired. Campbell was never considered a top recruit, for some reason was prioritized by JT3, and was then handed the keys to a team with few other guard options, leading to some of JT3's worst teams. He may be a nice kid, but one of the least productive Hoyas in the last 20 years, particularly based on the opportunity he was given. That's not true. Tre was a four star guy across the board and a consensus top 100 guy, and an important recruit because he was a local guy and considered a premier point guard in DC high school circles. Now, he didn't come close to playing to those levels as a collegian. But to say he wasn't a top recruit and to insinuate JT3 shouldn't have prioritized him is completely inaccurate. There was plenty of reason for optimism when he committed. His game just never translated to the next level Daytona, it's simply not true that Campbell was a top 100 recruit. There is no evidence that "Tre was a four star guy across the board" as you allege. Please see RSCI from 2014: sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/home/2014-finalI agree that he has not played anywhere close to a top 100 recruit as a collegian. He hasn't played like a top 1000 recruit. JT3 prioritized Tre Campbell over Melo Trimble. That is a fact. There are articles that make that clear. It was a horrible decision and was one of the reasons he lost his job: "Sophomore guard Melo Trimble knows Georgetown only as the school he once visited twice while in high school, which yielded no scholarship offer." www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/maryland-and-georgetown-renew-hoops-rivalry-with-new-cast-of-stars/2015/11/16/7c20d0d6-8cac-11e5-baf4-bdf37355da0c_story.html?utm_term=.c9ac4e23e7a8
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Nov 28, 2018 22:31:09 GMT -5
I really find it hard to believe there is any discussion of Tre Campbell’s ranking in high school.
He has had a rough time, between his medical scares (remember his hospitalizations) and then of course the knee injury. He graduated in four years, even though he left the team after his junior year.
He may have been a disappointment, but we must concede that JT 3 put pressure on guards. He seemed to land one and then accept forwards without any guard back ups. Anyway, Tre just was not able to rise to the challenge. And it really was just due to circumstances. He never had much of a chance to show otherwise.
I really wish him nothing but the best.
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 29, 2018 0:14:58 GMT -5
Tre Campbell, RSCI, 2014 Rivals 126 Scout 88 247 180 ESPN 101 Hoop Scoop 101 Future 150 101 Hoopniks 101 Looking at the above, 5 of 7 ratings services had Tre at 101 or better. 2 were above that. RSCI netted him out at 157, but one suggesting that he was rated "Top 100" would be mostly true for most ratings agencies -- assuming 101 could be included as Top 100, not unreasonable by my count. Also, averaging out those 7 rankings, comes to an average of 128 -- not 157.Considering all of the above, it is not unreasonable --5 years later -- to suggest that Tre was a ""Top 100" recruit Saying he was a Top 125 recruit or a Top 130 recruit would have been even more accurate. But top 100 is pretty darn close and quite reasonable. 2014 RSCI www.draftexpress.com/RSCI/2014/
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Post by This Just In on Nov 29, 2018 9:15:12 GMT -5
I remember Tre's class being touted as the "Greatest Recruiting Class Ever" and the one that would turn the program around. Tre Campbell Issac Copeland Paul White LJ Peak
I am not familiar with who was the most touted of that group, but I remember Campbell being part of that recruiting class.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 9:44:38 GMT -5
Better than the Ewing class that went to 3 national championship games? Better than Green and Hibbert's that went to the final four? Nobody that follows this stuff closely said that... hoyaboya Hard to say 3 prioritized Campbell over Melo when it took about 6 months after Melo committed to UMD for Tre to get a Gtown offer... I think it's more of a case of just being slow (a common critique during this time) than prioritizing one guy over the other...
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 29, 2018 16:30:55 GMT -5
I remember Tre's class being touted as the "Greatest Recruiting Class Ever" and the one that would turn the program around. Tre Campbell Issac Copeland Paul White LJ Peak I am not familiar with who was the most touted of that group, but I remember Campbell being part of that recruiting class. Ike was most touted.....pretty much a consensus 5*....LJ was next because of his scoring prowess....Tre was suppose to be the conductor that orchestrated the offense....in Tre's defense, I think his career would have gone differently if he played in a more uptempo O.....imo
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 29, 2018 16:32:34 GMT -5
Better than the Ewing class that went to 3 national championship games? Better than Green and Hibbert's that went to the final four? Nobody that follows this stuff closely said that... hoyaboya Hard to say 3 prioritized Campbell over Melo when it took about 6 months after Melo committed to UMD for Tre to get a Gtown offer... I think it's more of a case of just being slow (a common critique during this time) than prioritizing one guy over the other... I believe he is talking about expectation when the class came in. Not final results.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 29, 2018 16:33:33 GMT -5
Wouldn't it make sense to move this to the general College Sports Board? Tre Campbell really has no relevance to Georgetown basketball anymore...
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Post by prhoya on Nov 29, 2018 16:37:14 GMT -5
I remember Tre's class being touted as the "Greatest Recruiting Class Ever" and the one that would turn the program around. Tre Campbell Issac Copeland Paul White LJ Peak I am not familiar with who was the most touted of that group, but I remember Campbell being part of that recruiting class. Ike was most touted.....pretty much a consensus 5*....LJ was next because of his scoring prowess....Tre was suppose to be the conductor that orchestrated the offense....in Tre's defense, I think his career would have gone differently if he played in a more uptempo O.....imo White was ranked between Ike and Peak.
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Post by This Just In on Nov 30, 2018 11:19:21 GMT -5
Better than the Ewing class that went to 3 national championship games? Better than Green and Hibbert's that went to the final four? Nobody that follows this stuff closely said that...hoyaboya Hard to say 3 prioritized Campbell over Melo when it took about 6 months after Melo committed to UMD for Tre to get a Gtown offer... I think it's more of a case of just being slow (a common critique during this time) than prioritizing one guy over the other... I can't speak for Ewing's class but no way was that Green/Hibbert class more highly regarded recruits than Tre, Ike, LJ, and Paul White. I don't follow recruitment, but I don't think Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert were even 4* recruits. Maybe 3*?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 12:22:24 GMT -5
Better than the Ewing class that went to 3 national championship games? Better than Green and Hibbert's that went to the final four? Nobody that follows this stuff closely said that...hoyaboya Hard to say 3 prioritized Campbell over Melo when it took about 6 months after Melo committed to UMD for Tre to get a Gtown offer... I think it's more of a case of just being slow (a common critique during this time) than prioritizing one guy over the other... I can't speak for Ewing's class but no way was that Green/Hibbert class more highly regarded recruits than Tre, Ike, LJ, and Paul White. I don't follow recruitment, but I don't think Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert were even 4* recruits. Maybe 3*? Hype before kids get to campus is pretty meaningless imo, but I'll answer according to those guidelines... I think a class that featured the number 1 player in high school is better than that. So that would put Iverson's and Ewing's classes above imo. If you're talking just Jt3 era, the Macklin and Summers class was more heralded coming in. Macklin was a consensus 5 star (#16 rsci) and Summers was borderline (#26 rsci). Both would be ranked higher than the highest recruit in the class you're talking about (Copeland #28 rsci).
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Post by prhoya on Nov 30, 2018 12:24:30 GMT -5
I can't speak for Ewing's class but no way was that Green/Hibbert class more highly regarded recruits than Tre, Ike, LJ, and Paul White. I don't follow recruitment, but I don't think Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert were even 4* recruits. Maybe 3*? Hype before kids get to campus is pretty meaningless imo but ok... I think a class that featured the number 1 player in high school is better than that. So that would put Iverson's and Ewing's classes above imo. If you're talking just Jt3 era, the Macklin and Summers class was more heralded coming in. Macklin was a consensus 5 star (#16 rsci) and Summers was borderline (#26 rsci). Both would be ranked higher than the highest recruit in the class your talking about (Copeland #28 rsci) Austin and Chris... two McDs...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 12:31:21 GMT -5
Hype before kids get to campus is pretty meaningless imo but ok... I think a class that featured the number 1 player in high school is better than that. So that would put Iverson's and Ewing's classes above imo. If you're talking just Jt3 era, the Macklin and Summers class was more heralded coming in. Macklin was a consensus 5 star (#16 rsci) and Summers was borderline (#26 rsci). Both would be ranked higher than the highest recruit in the class your talking about (Copeland #28 rsci) Austin and Chris... two McDs... Yep Freeman: Rsci 13 Wright: Rsci 31 People forget how good our recruiting was at the start of the Jt3 era...
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 30, 2018 15:15:11 GMT -5
Ike was most touted.....pretty much a consensus 5*....LJ was next because of his scoring prowess....Tre was suppose to be the conductor that orchestrated the offense....in Tre's defense, I think his career would have gone differently if he played in a more uptempo O.....imo White was ranked between Ike and Peak. You are right pr. I was more referring to the hype surrounding the players rather than actual ranking. The board was going crazy over LJ's 50+pt games and his battle with Seventh Woods....no one was really talking much about PW......
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Post by tashoya on Nov 30, 2018 15:21:34 GMT -5
Greg Monroe?
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Post by prhoya on Nov 30, 2018 15:53:04 GMT -5
White was ranked between Ike and Peak. You are right pr. I was more referring to the hype surrounding the players rather than actual ranking. The board was going crazy over LJ's 50+pt games and his battle with Seventh Woods....no one was really talking much about PW...... Those LJ videos were awesome We hyped the fact that PW could defend all 5 positions and was good all-around. We were desperate for good defenders and in come: Ike (who no one would accuse of being a good defender), Tre (was worse than Ike), LJ (who to his credit improved in his three years here), and White, who most of the time looked like he was playing in slow-motion and uninspired.
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