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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jul 25, 2018 16:53:18 GMT -5
Last year we had the worst backcourt in Hoya history. Can anyone name a less-talented and worse performing group? Perhaps the worst ever (post-1972 era). The late-90s featured some very sub-par guards on bad teams, e.g., Dean Berry walk-on earning significant minutes, Joe Tuoumou, Anthony Perry completely losing confidence and effectiveness. Those teams featured some seriously over-matched guard combinations.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 26, 2018 23:21:31 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 10, 2018 7:47:15 GMT -5
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 10, 2018 8:58:00 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 10, 2018 9:13:52 GMT -5
Frank is at his best when he is apoplectic.
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 10, 2018 9:57:22 GMT -5
Tre is coming off a sprained ankle. In SC's first game he was 1 for 8 for two points. Glad to see his second game was much better.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 10, 2018 13:15:04 GMT -5
At least Tre already knew what it feels like to list to a sub-mid major. Deja Vu all over again.
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 26, 2018 23:54:21 GMT -5
Starting guard on a South Carolina team that just lost by 20, at home, to Wofford. Gamecocks now 3-3 on the year.
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Post by AshantiCooksBurner on Nov 27, 2018 9:34:45 GMT -5
Starting guard on a South Carolina team that just lost by 20, at home, to Wofford. Gamecocks now 3-3 on the year. It is really crazy how bad things have gotten down in Columbia since their final 4 run. That looks like a distant memory now.. Frank Martin was completely incapable of capitalizing on that success on the recruiting trail. Campbell starting there should tell you all you need to know about that team this year.
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 27, 2018 9:49:11 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 27, 2018 11:22:16 GMT -5
28.3 fg% 27.6% 3fg%, and putting up the numbers you quoted in 25 minutes per game. That is very poor production for a 5th year senior on a Power 5 team. Tre Campbell had very few "moments" as a Hoya - he had roughly 1 good game, at Xavier, in 3 years. He also seemed to quit on his team last year, not playing while remaining on campus, giving little in the way of explanation. I will always believe that prioritizing Campbell over other, more productive guard recruits (including Melo Trimble locally) was one of the keys to JT3 getting fired. Campbell was never considered a top recruit, for some reason was prioritized by JT3, and was then handed the keys to a team with few other guard options, leading to some of JT3's worst teams. He may be a nice kid, but one of the least productive Hoyas in the last 20 years, particularly based on the opportunity he was given.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 27, 2018 12:05:12 GMT -5
28.3 fg% 27.6% 3fg%, and putting up the numbers you quoted in 25 minutes per game. That is very poor production for a 5th year senior on a Power 5 team. Tre Campbell had very few "moments" as a Hoya - he had roughly 1 good game, at Xavier, in 3 years. He also seemed to quit on his team last year, not playing while remaining on campus, giving little in the way of explanation. I will always believe that prioritizing Campbell over other, more productive guard recruits (including Melo Trimble locally) was one of the keys to JT3 getting fired. Campbell was never considered a top recruit, for some reason was prioritized by JT3, and was then handed the keys to a team with few other guard options, leading to some of JT3's worst teams. He may be a nice kid, but one of the least productive Hoyas in the last 20 years, particularly based on the opportunity he was given. There's little reason to continue bashing the kid (to be clear, me quoting you is not intended to single you out). I'm not sure "seemed to quit on his team" is accurate or fair as he was apparently rehabbing a knee injury that was worse than widely known. As I've said before here, student athletes have no requirement to release their personal health history to the fan base.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 27, 2018 12:17:56 GMT -5
He also seemed to quit on his team last year, not playing while remaining on campus, giving little in the way of explanation. I will always believe that prioritizing Campbell over other, more productive guard recruits (including Melo Trimble locally) was one of the keys to JT3 getting fired. Campbell was never considered a top recruit, for some reason was prioritized by JT3, and was then handed the keys to a team with few other guard options, leading to some of JT3's worst teams. He may be a nice kid, but one of the least productive Hoyas in the last 20 years, particularly based on the opportunity he was given. I think it's unfair to say Campbell gave up on the team. He suffered a torn meniscus and patellar tendon as a result of that February 2017 bus accident, so it's not even clear that Campbell could have played last year, or that he was healthy. Moreover, Campbell was recruited by JT3, and may not have wanted to play under Ewing. Who knows. I actually think it's laudible that he stayed at Georgetown to finish his degree, before moving on. And, quite frankly, he doesn't owe an explanation to anybody.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 27, 2018 12:29:55 GMT -5
The bashing of Tre (and of JT III for recruiting him) remains mind-boggling to me.
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 27, 2018 13:45:35 GMT -5
There are certainly some cut-throat people on this board and their comments are truly insulting! I watched Tre Campbell lead a highly competitive high school basketball team at St. Johns College High School here in DC. He was a leader and quite skilled. That team, basically a team of guards played exciting, winning basketball and he again was the point guard and a leader.
Im sure he had other offers. This is the same program that generated Chris Wright! Ill bet some of the insulters could not carry his jock! Why be so insulting? The program under JTII became pis-poor, yet because of its track record of the past some joined with high hopes! The guy got hurt in an accident associated with a university athletic event and had to heal. He gave plenty to be excited about in very small doses. Sometimes it's very frustrating reading these comments and my rant right now is not aimed at everybody. I wish I had a better way of getting quality information about the team than some of this sad banter. Go Hoyas!!
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 27, 2018 14:09:04 GMT -5
The bashing of Tre (and of JT III for recruiting him) remains mind-boggling to me. It's a common story in college football circles that fans blame coaches for a couple of year when the seeds were sown in place far before. Do we really think Larry Fedora somehow forgot how to coach at UNC after winning 11 games just three years ago? Sometimes in basketball, too. Craig Esherick gets no small degree of grief, here and elsewhere, as somehow running the program into the ground. He took over a program that, excepting Iverson's two years, had shown signs of atrophy dating back to as early as 1990, but few in the media ever brought it up out of respect to John Thompson who, at 57, was tiring of the grind. (Today, 57 is a youngster in ACC coaching circles.) John Thompson III may have peaked in 2013, or earlier. In a season where they lost Otto Porter and Greg Whittington, JTIII brings in Josh Smith and Reggie Cameron... while Jay Wright welcomes Kris Jenkins from Gonzaga and Josh Hart from Sidwell Friends. That the Georgetown class of 2018 was so unproductive in total (Tre Campbell, Isaac Copeland, Trey Mourning, L.J. Peak and Paul White) isn't the fault of the coach or the players, but the program as a whole. The ability of Ewing to build a program and not just build short-term gain will be the measure of his leadership. Georgetown, like St. John's, still looks a little too much in the rear view mirror.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 27, 2018 14:37:07 GMT -5
Craig Esherick gets no small degree of grief, here and elsewhere, as somehow running the program into the ground. He took over a program that, excepting Iverson's two years, had shown signs of atrophy dating back to as early as 1990, but few in the media ever brought it up out of respect to John Thompson who, at 57, was tiring of the grind. (Today, 57 is a youngster in ACC coaching circles.) While I do not think Esherick was a good coach, I think you are absolutely right that John Thompson Jr. gets a complete pass from most for the decline of the program out of respect for all he did for the program. That said, John Thompson Jr. did not leave the program in good shape when he left it in 1999, and he essentially dumped the program into Esherick's hands in terrible condition. Of course, John Thompson Jr. should get massive credit and respect for all he did for the program, but the end of his reign is a period a lot of people try to forget, even though it's also part of the legacy. It is unfortunate, too, because Georgetown had credibility, respect, and a wide reach that resulted from the successes of the 1980s, and the program failed to capitalize on it and keep it going into the 1990s.
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 27, 2018 16:53:07 GMT -5
Wow!
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 27, 2018 17:54:53 GMT -5
Power shifted from the coach to the recruit and the game shifted from the center to the guards, i,e., three pointer.
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Post by drquigley on Nov 27, 2018 21:33:46 GMT -5
I always thought JT2 gave up on coaching when Iverson left early. He saw the writing on the wall, i.e. to be truly competitive you had to recruit kids who had no intention of staying in school. That ran contrary to JT2's stated goal of building the man not just the basketballer. He would be less of an educator and more of an NBA recruiter.
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