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Post by bornhoya on Jun 23, 2018 10:13:34 GMT -5
How is Nova closer to Baltimore than Georgetown is?
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 23, 2018 11:36:53 GMT -5
How is Nova closer to Baltimore than Georgetown is? Its not about Georgetown being closer to any city. Problem of the Dog wrote that Villanova got back on top by recruiting well in the two metropolises closest to it which he identified as Philadelphia and DC. I pointed out that technically New York City and Baltimore are closer to Philadelphia (Villanova) than DC.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 25, 2018 17:26:38 GMT -5
Georgetown is clearly a national basketball brand. In fact, not long ago it was the #1 brand in college basketball. We just recruited one of the best players out of the states of California, Louisiana, and Texas. That doesn’t happen if Georgetown is not a national brand. The question is what that brand means today. Georgetown’s brand attribute may be a bit stale without the recent success, but we are clearly now on a different trajectory. When was Georgetown last the #1 brand in college basketball? At best, maybe the early-mid 1990s? Our prominence faded pretty quickly post-Iverson, until some of the better JT3 years. The real problem is that Georgetown failed to capitalize and maintain the stature it did develop in the glory years of the 1980s and early 1990s. All that being said, when you recruit kids who are 16-17 (and sometimes younger), anything from the 1980s (especially) or 1990s is a really long time ago. These kids were born after 2000, so any cachet our program had then is ancient history. Even the best JT3 years (let's say 2006-early 2010s) happened when these recruits were 6-7 years old (if not younger). All that being said, Georgetown does retain some notoriety and branding from its past success (and relatively recent success in the 2000s) but it's severely diminished. The one benefit is that Georgetown's notoriety from an academic standpoint has only grown, so Georgetown's overall brand is very strong (I am not saying that helps the basketball program, because it probably doesn't all that much). As far as being "clearly" on a "different trajectory," I certainly hope you're right. Ewing certainly seems to have a different approach than JT3, so in that sense you're right. The real key, of course, is whether it yields more wins. I'm hoping we see more of that this season.
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 25, 2018 20:19:13 GMT -5
IIRC, Georgetown was the number #1 brand for collegiate merchandizing in the timeframe of the late 80s/early 90s.
As I said, you cannot succeed in recruiting Akinjo, Carter, and Leblanc if Georgetown does not have national brand - de facto.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 25, 2018 20:43:14 GMT -5
Pat is a brand. Not sure if the prior coach could have landed these kids.
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Post by ewingitrust on Jun 25, 2018 22:45:08 GMT -5
Pat is a brand. Not sure if the prior coach could have landed these kids. ...not sure if the prior coach could walk into any gym in the country and gain respect from coaches, players and parents like Ewing can.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jun 25, 2018 22:46:19 GMT -5
IIRC, Georgetown was the number #1 brand for collegiate merchandizing in the timeframe of the late 80s/early 90s. As I said, you cannot succeed in recruiting Akinjo, Carter, and Leblanc if Georgetown does not have national brand - de facto. The name may be recognizable, but it is not a top 20 national brand right now. Live in the now, folks.
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Post by paranoia2 on Jun 26, 2018 1:45:59 GMT -5
Georgetown was a cultural phenomenon in addition to being a top college basketball program.
Patrick Ewing is one of the top college basketball players of all time and an NBA great.
Patrick also wants to win. The desire to win is something that cannot be faked. A r fruit can’t ask for anything more than a coach that is an all time great and a man that wants to win more than anything.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 26, 2018 6:10:09 GMT -5
Pat gets the immediate respect of the parents and coaches. The Gtown brand is definitely not what it used to be. It doesn’t take more than a few runs in the tournament to get back in the conversation.
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 26, 2018 7:38:15 GMT -5
IIRC, Georgetown was the number #1 brand for collegiate merchandizing in the timeframe of the late 80s/early 90s. As I said, you cannot succeed in recruiting Akinjo, Carter, and Leblanc if Georgetown does not have national brand - de facto. The name may be recognizable, but it is not a top 20 national brand right now. Live in the now, folks. “So the name may be recognizable”. .....Yes, that is what a brand is. And it is recognizable across the nation! Even internationally! “But it is not a Top20 national brand”.......Ok, so we are moving the goal posts. Going from not being a national brand to not being a Top 20 national brand. Your source? I may concede not a Top 10....but in terms of brand I don’t know that I will concede a Patrick Ewing led Hoyas is not a a Top 20 national NCAA college basketball brand.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 26, 2018 7:38:18 GMT -5
..not sure if the prior coach could walk into any gym in the country and gain respect from coaches, players and parents like Ewing can. Why the continued animus towards JTIII? He absolutely could walk into any gym in the country and gain respect from coaches, players and parents--he signed a dozen top recruits in 13 years, went to the Final Four and held his own in the crucible of the Big East. Yet, he's out of basketball just like Roy Hibbert went from being an 28 year old All-Star to someone out of the league at 31--the game changed. That doesn't make John (or Roy, for that matter) a bad person, just that it's a different time. Ewing is still learning what is is like to coach at the college level. We can be supportive of Ewing without running down his predecessor(s).
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Post by prhoya on Jun 26, 2018 7:58:34 GMT -5
..not sure if the prior coach could walk into any gym in the country and gain respect from coaches, players and parents like Ewing can. He absolutely could walk into any gym in the country and gain respect from coaches, players and parents--he signed a dozen top recruits in 13 years... Not in the same league... by a long shot... What do you mean by "top recruits"? I'm going to give you Greg, Austin and Chris. Or do you mean top recruits as in Top 150? Or do you mean the diamonds in the rough like Otto? If so, then you have to substract Ike and White. Tremont does not count as he would be "signed and lost". A dozen so-called "top recruits" in 13 well-paid years... the bar was low!
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Post by IDenj on Jun 26, 2018 8:01:32 GMT -5
Gentleman Bey isn’t going to be a Hoya. Let’s close this thread and move on.
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Post by Filo on Jun 26, 2018 8:38:31 GMT -5
He absolutely could walk into any gym in the country and gain respect from coaches, players and parents--he signed a dozen top recruits in 13 years... Not in the same league... by a long shot... What do you mean by "top recruits"? I'm going to give you Greg, Austin and Chris. Or do you mean top recruits as in Top 150? Or do you mean the diamonds in the rough like Otto? If so, then you have to substract Ike and White. Tremont does not count as he would be "signed and lost". A dozen so-called "top recruits" in 13 well-paid years... the bar was low! That post in response to a plea for some class with "We can be supportive of Ewing without running down his predecessor(s)." SMH. Can we get a dislike button?
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Post by prhoya on Jun 26, 2018 9:08:39 GMT -5
That post in response to a plea for some class with "We can be supportive of Ewing without running down his predecessor(s)." SMH. Can we get a dislike button? Being supportive is one thing; rewriting history is another. Let's be objective. I want to know how we define "top recruit" so that we can see how Ewing does in that tier.
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Post by swhoya on Jun 26, 2018 9:20:03 GMT -5
That post in response to a plea for some class with "We can be supportive of Ewing without running down his predecessor(s)." SMH. Can we get a dislike button? Being supportive is one thing; rewriting history is another. Let's be objective. I want to know how we define "top recruit" so that we can see how Ewing does in that tier. Yaawwwwnnnn....wakes up, sips coffee, checks news and Hoyatalk board...yep, same old discussion that we've been having for the last 2+ years...time to go back to something more interesting... I don't understand why some people can't give it a rest. No one is "re-writing history" because the general public has no idea about the highly opinionated repetitive discussions that happen here. Can we get some more talk about Bey? Or better yet, a recruit that might come here?
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Post by hoyainla on Jun 26, 2018 9:26:23 GMT -5
I was the biggest get rid of JT3 guy on here but Pat hasn't won the recruiting battles or landed anywhere near the level of talent that JT3 did YET. If he lands us a 2014 level class anytime soon the trajectory of this program changes. Just because JT3 didn't know what to do with him when he got them didn't mean he couldn't get top level recruits.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 26, 2018 9:26:48 GMT -5
Can we get some more talk about Bey? Or better yet, a recruit that might come here? Plenty of "top recruits" targeted by Pat... Where's that other thread?
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Post by practice on Jun 26, 2018 10:49:29 GMT -5
Who is the last Team Takeover guy to go to Georgetown? Who will be the next Team Takeover guy? I love the nationwide recruiting that Ewing is doing, but from what I hear we have a long way to locally with Takeover. That program is a factory of D-1 w/NBA potential ... and there's no pipeline or even line of communication. Ewing should have made a local hire ... this is going to be a bigger issue than Bey or any other single recruit.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jun 26, 2018 11:00:14 GMT -5
The name may be recognizable, but it is not a top 20 national brand right now. Live in the now, folks. “So the name may be recognizable”. .....Yes, that is what a brand is. And it is recognizable across the nation! Even internationally! “But it is not a Top20 national brand”.......Ok, so we are moving the goal posts. Going from not being a national brand to not being a Top 20 national brand. Your source? I may concede not a Top 10....but in terms of brand I don’t know that I will concede a Patrick Ewing led Hoyas is not a a Top 20 national NCAA college basketball brand. My source? This isn't a college course. Would you like me to put a poll out into the field so I can win an internet message board argument?
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