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Post by bigskyhoya on May 8, 2018 8:15:49 GMT -5
If Mac was a top 50 or top 100 recruit, I wonder how many naysayers there would be viewing the same clips of him we have all seen. I think there is a tendency to believe the rankings and then look for reasons why they must be accurate.
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Post by smokeyjack on May 8, 2018 8:17:24 GMT -5
I liked what I saw from Mac on Saturday. He looked to have notably poor footwork on the defensive end, but he looked great otherwise. I think the combination of the two is dynamite and probably one of the 3/4 best backcourt tandems entering school this fall. Mac is a huge, huge upgrade, but I see him as a 2-leaning combo and not a pure point. Akinjo is a pure point all the way and a little more Day 1 ready IMO. That’s not Mac hate. I’m very excited to have and watch both develop. And absolutely no chance McClung should have been outside the top 100. Just none.
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Post by SSHoya on May 8, 2018 8:49:01 GMT -5
If Mac was a top 50 or top 100 recruit, I wonder how many naysayers there would be viewing the same clips of him we have all seen. I think there is a tendency to believe the rankings and then look for reasons why they must be accurate. Confirmation bias. Works in the converse way with Duke recruits -- if recruited by Duke, must be top 10, 50, 100, right?
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Post by bigskyhoya on May 8, 2018 8:53:48 GMT -5
I liked what I saw from Mac on Saturday. He looked to have notably poor footwork on the defensive end, but he looked great otherwise. I think the combination of the two is dynamite and probably one of the 3/4 best backcourt tandems entering school this fall. Mac is a huge, huge upgrade, but I see him as a 2-leaning combo and not a pure point. Akinjo is a pure point all the way and a little more Day 1 ready IMO. That’s not Mac hate. I’m very excited to have and watch both develop. And absolutely no chance McClung should have been outside the top 100. Just none. I agree he is more of a 2 but also think he would have been an upgrade at point over anyone on last year's roster.
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Post by 95hoya on May 8, 2018 10:18:04 GMT -5
I have concerns about McClung. Not so much Akinjo. But people are saying next year will be special because of these 2. That's frightening. Akinjo is going to be a good player in time. I have always seen Mac as a role player, not a playmaker. He has to become a better catch and shoot player. I just don't see how he will thrive in a halfcourt game. It is nice to see the board morale go up, but we need a lot of pieces still. Other programs are bringing in more talent than we are.
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Post by smokeyjack on May 8, 2018 10:48:37 GMT -5
I have concerns about McClung. Not so much Akinjo. But people are saying next year will be special because of these 2. That's frightening. Akinjo is going to be a good player in time. I have always seen Mac as a role player, not a playmaker. He has to become a better catch and shoot player. I just don't see how he will thrive in a halfcourt game. It is nice to see the board morale go up, but we need a lot of pieces still. Other programs are bringing in more talent than we are. You have to start somewhere. While I agree that Akinjo is our PG from Day 1 and that Mac will require more time to mature into an efficient niche, look at the mess we had in our backcourt last season. I haven’t seen a lot of people jump to this season is “going to be special” predictions. I have seen a lot of people excited about watching these two grow together and with present and future talent go forward, and I think rightly so. Both are better than anything we had in the backcourt last season, returning players included. Sorry to upset the Jagan crowd, but he’s a three in a small guard’s body who neither defends nor finishes the way a swing should. I completely agree that more pieces are needed. But Akinjo, Pickett, Mac and LeBlanc are a nice foundation class for Pat to add to going forward. And honestly, if Derrickson and Govan has both come back with this crop of youngsters, T25 would have been the absolute floor for next season. Compared to the mess we watched in JT3’s last couple of seasons, I’d call that relatively special. Most importantly, we now have a PG who can attract 5-star talent to the roster. I can only imagine how much better last season would have been with even marginal guard play. You really can’t overstate just how abysmal our guards were for most of last season on both ends of the floor. Easily the worst in the modern history of the program (post-1970), and definitely among the bottom 3 teams in all major conference D1 and bottom 50 overall. They really were THAT bad. If a guard has 4 primary skills (handle, shoot, pass, defend), I would argue we didn’t have a single solid 2-skill guard on the roster. A frosh with zero handles (literally like my 9-grader is equivalent) started at the 2 all season. Let that sink in and tell me we shouldn’t be exited about Akinjo and Mac.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 11:00:26 GMT -5
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Post by seaweed on May 8, 2018 11:14:46 GMT -5
Bring back Sodom with a year of workouts under his belt and it really starts to look like something... And Trey.
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Post by hoyainla on May 8, 2018 11:26:45 GMT -5
And absolutely no chance McClung should have been outside the top 100. Just none. Who would you have taken Mac over from the perimeter guys that played in the BIL game? For instance Jordan McCabe is outside the top 100 and there is no way I would take Mac over him. I'm still in shock Huggy stole him out of Wisco but thankfully he didn't end up at Nova because he would've been a nightmare. Actually interested from anyone that wants to answer who they would take Mac over from the game.
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Post by SaxaCD on May 8, 2018 11:27:55 GMT -5
And absolutely no chance McClung should have been outside the top 100. Just none. Who would you have taken Mac over from the perimeter guys that played in the BIL game? For instance Jordan McCabe is outside the top 100 and there is no way I would take Mac over him. I'm still in shock Huggy stole him out of Wisco but thankfully he didn't end up at Nova because he would've been a nightmare. Actually interested from anyone that wants to answer who they would take Mac over from the game. McCabe.
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Post by hoyainla on May 8, 2018 11:32:42 GMT -5
I have concerns about McClung. Not so much Akinjo. But people are saying next year will be special because of these 2. That's frightening. Akinjo is going to be a good player in time. I have always seen Mac as a role player, not a playmaker. He has to become a better catch and shoot player. I just don't see how he will thrive in a halfcourt game. It is nice to see the board morale go up, but we need a lot of pieces still. Other programs are bringing in more talent than we are. You have to start somewhere. While I agree that Akinjo is our PG from Day 1 and that Mac will require more time to mature into an efficient niche, look at the mess we had in our backcourt last season. I haven’t seen a lot of people jump to this season is “going to be special” predictions. I have seen a lot of people excited about watching these two grow together and with present and future talent go forward, and I think rightly so. Both are better than anything we had in the backcourt last season, returning players included. Sorry to upset the Jagan crowd, but he’s a three in a small guard’s body who neither defends nor finishes the way a swing should. I completely agree that more pieces are needed. But Akinjo, Pickett, Mac and LeBlanc are a nice foundation class for Pat to add to going forward. And honestly, if Derrickson and Govan has both come back with this crop of youngsters, T25 would have been the absolute floor for next season. Compared to the mess we watched in JT3’s last couple of seasons, I’d call that relatively special. Most importantly, we now have a PG who can attract 5-star talent to the roster. I can only imagine how much better last season would have been with even marginal guard play. You really can’t overstate just how abysmal our guards were for most of last season on both ends of the floor. Easily the worst in the modern history of the program (post-1970), and definitely among the bottom 3 teams in all major conference D1 and bottom 50 overall. They really were THAT bad. If a guard has 4 primary skills (handle, shoot, pass, defend), I would argue we didn’t have a single solid 2-skill guard on the roster. A frosh with zero handles (literally like my 9-grader is equivalent) started at the 2 all season. Let that sink in and tell me we shouldn’t be exited about Akinjo and Mac. This is a fair assessment. I don't agree with all, espcially the Jagan part of it but it's level headed. The ones that worry me are the "I think the combination of the two is dynamite and probably one of the 3/4 best backcourt tandems entering school this fall." "Compared to the mess we watched in JT3’s last couple of seasons, I’d call that relatively special." - This is where I think most of the board is at and I'm at the "Georgetown should be very good lets not lower our standards because of the stench of JT3." I think this is why I'm more critical than others.
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Post by SaxaCD on May 8, 2018 11:37:01 GMT -5
You have to start somewhere. While I agree that Akinjo is our PG from Day 1 and that Mac will require more time to mature into an efficient niche, look at the mess we had in our backcourt last season. I haven’t seen a lot of people jump to this season is “going to be special” predictions. I have seen a lot of people excited about watching these two grow together and with present and future talent go forward, and I think rightly so. Both are better than anything we had in the backcourt last season, returning players included. Sorry to upset the Jagan crowd, but he’s a three in a small guard’s body who neither defends nor finishes the way a swing should. I completely agree that more pieces are needed. But Akinjo, Pickett, Mac and LeBlanc are a nice foundation class for Pat to add to going forward. And honestly, if Derrickson and Govan has both come back with this crop of youngsters, T25 would have been the absolute floor for next season. Compared to the mess we watched in JT3’s last couple of seasons, I’d call that relatively special. Most importantly, we now have a PG who can attract 5-star talent to the roster. I can only imagine how much better last season would have been with even marginal guard play. You really can’t overstate just how abysmal our guards were for most of last season on both ends of the floor. Easily the worst in the modern history of the program (post-1970), and definitely among the bottom 3 teams in all major conference D1 and bottom 50 overall. They really were THAT bad. If a guard has 4 primary skills (handle, shoot, pass, defend), I would argue we didn’t have a single solid 2-skill guard on the roster. A frosh with zero handles (literally like my 9-grader is equivalent) started at the 2 all season. Let that sink in and tell me we shouldn’t be exited about Akinjo and Mac. This is a fair assessment. I don't agree with all, espcially the Jagan part of it but it's level headed. The ones that worry me are the "I think the combination of the two is dynamite and probably one of the 3/4 best backcourt tandems entering school this fall." "Compared to the mess we watched in JT3’s last couple of seasons, I’d call that relatively special." - This is where I think most of the board is at and I'm at the "Georgetown should be very good lets not lower our standards because of the stench of JT3." I think this is why I'm more critical than others. I just think we will all be very happy with our entire guard crew next year and especially the year after. I actually don't care who other teams have. I think our staff did a great job elevating the position, mainly by being able to now deploy guys where they should be able to succeed more. Need to do that with more bigs and wings in the next few years!
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Post by TC on May 8, 2018 11:40:51 GMT -5
And absolutely no chance McClung should have been outside the top 100. Just none. Who would you have taken Mac over from the perimeter guys that played in the BIL game? For instance Jordan McCabe is outside the top 100 and there is no way I would take Mac over him. I'm still in shock Huggy stole him out of Wisco but thankfully he didn't end up at Nova because he would've been a nightmare. Why would we have to? Your argument all along has been that McClung's not a PG. You could play McCabe and McClung at the same time. You would not get both McCabe and Akinjo on the same roster.
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Post by hoyainla on May 8, 2018 11:42:54 GMT -5
Hoyainla's take on Mac brings back memories of Ignatius and Hibbert. 😁 Is this what it feels like to be a Democrat in the south!! I kid, I kid. I'm not up to date with the reference but I can infer what you are saying. My whole point about Mac is that I think his rankings is generally fair. I think he has a lot of holes in his game that are covered up to the general fan by his flashiness. I guess some have taken that to mean I don't think he's a D1 player or that he will never be a contributor here. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ My worries have always been his defense and him not being a PG. A few are already seeing that with Mac now. All my analysis of Mac are what he is now. Not what he will become. A player ranked at his level is supposed to contributer in their JR/SR year. I can definitely see that with Mac. On a good team that would likely be his path. On this team that has a fairly new coach bringing in his own guys and a fan base that needs a shot in the arm, he will be allowed to play more much earlier for better or worse. As for the Hibbert reference I will say this. I think most here are expecting Mac have a Jeff Green like freshman year while I expect him to have a Hibbert type freshman year.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 11:49:43 GMT -5
And absolutely no chance McClung should have been outside the top 100. Just none. Who would you have taken Mac over from the perimeter guys that played in the BIL game? For instance Jordan McCabe is outside the top 100 and there is no way I would take Mac over him. I'm still in shock Huggy stole him out of Wisco but thankfully he didn't end up at Nova because he would've been a nightmare. Actually interested from anyone that wants to answer who they would take Mac over from the game. Taking Mac out of it, what do you like about his game? Actual games I've watched of him have been meh.. He throws it away just as much as he assists and his shot isn't really at the knockdown stage. He can get hot and make some in a row but I wouldn't be afraid of him in any capacity if he was in the BE... He's not a good defender, and is just average athletically imo. He's swaggy, exciting, and makes a great hl tape, but I don't really like the fit at WVU...
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Post by hoyainla on May 8, 2018 11:51:01 GMT -5
Who would you have taken Mac over from the perimeter guys that played in the BIL game? For instance Jordan McCabe is outside the top 100 and there is no way I would take Mac over him. I'm still in shock Huggy stole him out of Wisco but thankfully he didn't end up at Nova because he would've been a nightmare. Why would we have to? Your argument all along has been that McClung's not a PG. You could play McCabe and McClung at the same time. You would not get both McCabe and Akinjo on the same roster. I just meant this more from a ranking perspective. Assume we have nobody on roster and need to start from scratch who would everyone take. Also while I don't believe that Mac is a PG I am in the minority on that here. That opinion has change a bit now that James is on the roster but go back in this thread and you will see that wasn't the case. Even having Akinjo I would still take McCabe over Mac. The talent difference isn't close IMO and McCabe is a great shooter so he could fit although I know he's not a 2. Also you can never have too many ball handlers as we know so well. I am actually of the opinion that most here believe Mac is what McCabe actually is, minus the vertical of course.
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Post by HometownHoya on May 8, 2018 11:56:15 GMT -5
I was with you hoyainla about concerns with Mac as our only PG. He's definitely a combo and will be better suited for minutes at the 2 his first year, but he will get PT at the 1. The Akinjo grab is the biggest coup of the year for me, not only does it give us a true PG to help set-up the guys like Kaleb, Walker, and our shooters (Jahvon, Malinowski, Pickett) but it also allows Mac to develop over his career rather then needing to be the man at the point right away.
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Post by TC on May 8, 2018 12:00:05 GMT -5
No one believes Mac is what McCabe is. McCabe is like a poor man's Tremont Waters.
I guarantee that if McCabe were coming in you'd be complaining about lack of size, athleticism, and his defense.
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Post by hoyainla on May 8, 2018 12:04:57 GMT -5
Who would you have taken Mac over from the perimeter guys that played in the BIL game? For instance Jordan McCabe is outside the top 100 and there is no way I would take Mac over him. I'm still in shock Huggy stole him out of Wisco but thankfully he didn't end up at Nova because he would've been a nightmare. Actually interested from anyone that wants to answer who they would take Mac over from the game. Taking Mac out of it, what do you like about his game? Actual games I've watched of him have been meh.. He throws it away just as much as he assists and his shot isn't really at the knockdown stage. He can get hot and make some in a row but I wouldn't be afraid of him in any capacity if he was in the BE... He's not a good defender, and is just average athletically imo. He's swaggy, exciting, and makes a great hl tape, but I don't really like the fit at WVU... I think he's all around solid not great by any means. I think he will become a consistent shooter. He sees the floor really well and once he reigns that in will be much less turnover prone. He's not a great defender now but he's not Mac level bad. I don't understand the WVU fit at all either. If he went to Nova or even Butler or Creighton he would be a pain in our ass for all 4 years. He's just that type of player. As I said in my previous comment I think he is what everyone thinks Mac is. He is just a little better across the board in each facet except athletic ability of course. Don't get me wrong I'm not taking him over Akinjo ever though.
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