hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on May 8, 2018 12:08:22 GMT -5
No one believes Mac is what McCabe is. McCabe is like a poor man's Tremont Waters. I guarantee that if McCabe were coming in you'd be complaining about lack of size, athleticism, and his defense. I've got one response to my earlier question about who would you take Mac over and the answer was McCabe so apparently someone does lol. Why would I complain about him? Just because I am not enamored with Mac it means I complain about all recruits that come here. Can you please show me why you would say that? As for the poor man's Tremont Waters comparison I think that is pretty accurate and sign me up for that all day!
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 12:16:23 GMT -5
Taking Mac out of it, what do you like about his game? Actual games I've watched of him have been meh.. He throws it away just as much as he assists and his shot isn't really at the knockdown stage. He can get hot and make some in a row but I wouldn't be afraid of him in any capacity if he was in the BE... He's not a good defender, and is just average athletically imo. He's swaggy, exciting, and makes a great hl tape, but I don't really like the fit at WVU... I think he's all around solid not great by any means. I think he will become a consistent shooter. He sees the floor really well and once he reigns that in will be much less turnover prone. He's not a great defender now but he's not Mac level bad. I don't understand the WVU fit at all either. If he went to Nova or even Butler or Creighton he would be a pain in our ass for all 4 years. He's just that type of player. As I said in my previous comment I think he is what everyone thinks Mac is. He is just a little better across the board in each facet except athletic ability of course. Don't get me wrong I'm not taking him over Akinjo ever though. He's ok, I guess, but it's odd to me you would pick him out of the crowd when he's more of a hype than a substance player right now. He averaged 16 and 5.6 last summer on a horrible team that barely won any games. Numbers look solid but he shot 35-125 from 3(32%). Overall he shot 34% from the field. 66% of his shots came from behind the arc, and he averaged 4 to's a game. He didn't guard a single person all summer. When you dive deep he looks more like a high usage player who was wildly inefficient in nearly every area beside ft shooting. He has a similarly rapid viral following to Mac baed on flashy highlights vs weak comp. Idk... I'm not really a big fan of his I guess... Can you tell? Lol www.theuaassociation.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3902
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Post by hoyainla on May 8, 2018 12:26:18 GMT -5
I think he's all around solid not great by any means. I think he will become a consistent shooter. He sees the floor really well and once he reigns that in will be much less turnover prone. He's not a great defender now but he's not Mac level bad. I don't understand the WVU fit at all either. If he went to Nova or even Butler or Creighton he would be a pain in our ass for all 4 years. He's just that type of player. As I said in my previous comment I think he is what everyone thinks Mac is. He is just a little better across the board in each facet except athletic ability of course. Don't get me wrong I'm not taking him over Akinjo ever though. He's ok, I guess, but it's odd to me you would pick him out of the crowd when he's more of a hype than a substance player right now. He averaged 16 and 5 last summer on a horrible team that barely won any games. He shot 35-125 from 3(32%). Overall he shot 35% from the field. 66% of his shots came from behind the arc, and he averaged 4 to's a game. He didn't guard a single person all summer. He has a similarly rapid viral following to Mac baed on flashy highlights vs weak comp. Idk... I'm not really a big fan of his I guess... www.theuaassociation.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3902I picked him because that is who Mac had the battles with at the game, who I felt that people on here would think Mac was better than and because he was ranked outside of the top 100 which I feel is where a lot of people think Mac should be. I posed the question of who people would take Mac over and that was the first person mentioned which is what I figured. I don't love him per se but I would much rather have him than Mac that is all.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 12:32:20 GMT -5
He's ok, I guess, but it's odd to me you would pick him out of the crowd when he's more of a hype than a substance player right now. He averaged 16 and 5 last summer on a horrible team that barely won any games. He shot 35-125 from 3(32%). Overall he shot 35% from the field. 66% of his shots came from behind the arc, and he averaged 4 to's a game. He didn't guard a single person all summer. He has a similarly rapid viral following to Mac baed on flashy highlights vs weak comp. Idk... I'm not really a big fan of his I guess... www.theuaassociation.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3902I picked him because that is who Mac had the battles with at the game, who I felt that people on here would think Mac was better than and because he was ranked outside of the top 100 which I feel is where a lot of people think Mac should be. I posed the question of who people would take Mac over and that was the first person mentioned which is what I figured. I don't love him per se but I would much rather have him than Mac that is all. I think the poster was responding to you mentioning him first, more than providing a serious answer after looking at the roster... I think he definitely has elite ball skills so we'll see how he does..
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on May 8, 2018 15:14:02 GMT -5
"Still stand by my assessment of Mac. He has improved a ton in his first two years and Ewing gets a lot of credit for that. But I still don't think anyone who saw him in high school really objectively believed he was going to be this good based on his HS career."
-hoyainla post circa 2020
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Post by jwp91 on May 8, 2018 15:25:25 GMT -5
It is times like these I am grateful for the ignore function.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 15:56:51 GMT -5
Aren't there really 2 things at play here in what would make the Mac recruitment (at least initially) a "success"? I'm thinking from a program-selfish perspective vs a player perspective:
1. Actual stats 2. The spectacle that is Mac
I'd argue that #2 will be more important than #1, at least in his first season. I mean, if he plays 15 mins a game, averages 6 pts with at least a highlight reel dunk every 3rd game, has an ok A/TO ratio, and PUTS BUTTS IN SEATS - isn't that a win? Yes, I'm glossing over the overall success of the team, and I'm dancing around a race discussion (for another time but let's just be honest about the student population) but I'd have to think from a program perspective that's a complete win.
As to the player, it's hard to bet against desire. Everyone has a ceiling (ok maybe not LeBronto), not many touch it ...
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Post by TC on May 8, 2018 16:22:03 GMT -5
Aren't there really 2 things at play here in what would make the Mac recruitment (at least initially) a "success"? I'm thinking from a program-selfish perspective vs a player perspective: 1. Actual stats 2. The spectacle that is Mac I'd argue that #2 will be more important than #1, at least in his first season. I mean, if he plays 15 mins a game, averages 6 pts with at least a highlight reel dunk every 3rd game, has an ok A/TO ratio, and PUTS BUTTS IN SEATS - isn't that a win? Yes, I'm glossing over the overall success of the team, and I'm dancing around a race discussion (for another time but let's just be honest about the student population) but I'd have to think from a program perspective that's a complete win. As to the player, it's hard to bet against desire. Everyone has a ceiling (ok maybe not LeBronto), not many touch it ... Except there's no reason to start moving the goal posts in this case and trying to define success as something other than on the court success. The complaint until last month was that we haven't seen him play against good competition. Well, guess what? We've now seen him in two All American games, and he plays fine to that level. There's nothing left for him to show at the high school level. This is a premier college basketball player, not a bobblehead to draw in crowds. He's going to draw a lot of attention, but he's going to do it because he's going to be a really good college basketball player.
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Post by prhoya on May 8, 2018 16:25:38 GMT -5
I have concerns about McClung. Not so much Akinjo. But people are saying next year will be special because of these 2. That's frightening. Akinjo is going to be a good player in time. I have always seen Mac as a role player, not a playmaker. He has to become a better catch and shoot player. I just don't see how he will thrive in a halfcourt game. It is nice to see the board morale go up, but we need a lot of pieces still. Other programs are bringing in more talent than we are. Half-court is one of his strengths.
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Post by prhoya on May 8, 2018 16:34:07 GMT -5
And absolutely no chance McClung should have been outside the top 100. Just none. Who would you have taken Mac over from the perimeter guys that played in the BIL game? For instance Jordan McCabe is outside the top 100 and there is no way I would take Mac over him. I'm still in shock Huggy stole him out of Wisco but thankfully he didn't end up at Nova because he would've been a nightmare. Actually interested from anyone that wants to answer who they would take Mac over from the game. Jordan M. is ESPN's 83rd ranked player. To answer your question, I'm not sure from that BIL game because there was no defensive play and just outbursts of hustle... well, except from James.
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Post by prhoya on May 8, 2018 16:39:38 GMT -5
On a good team that would likely be his path. On this team that has a fairly new coach bringing in his own guys and a fan base that needs a shot in the arm, he will be allowed to play more much earlier for better or worse. Mac will play as much as he earns.
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Post by 95hoya on May 8, 2018 16:57:49 GMT -5
Aren't there really 2 things at play here in what would make the Mac recruitment (at least initially) a "success"? I'm thinking from a program-selfish perspective vs a player perspective: 1. Actual stats 2. The spectacle that is Mac I'd argue that #2 will be more important than #1, at least in his first season. I mean, if he plays 15 mins a game, averages 6 pts with at least a highlight reel dunk every 3rd game, has an ok A/TO ratio, and PUTS BUTTS IN SEATS - isn't that a win? Yes, I'm glossing over the overall success of the team, and I'm dancing around a race discussion (for another time but let's just be honest about the student population) but I'd have to think from a program perspective that's a complete win. As to the player, it's hard to bet against desire. Everyone has a ceiling (ok maybe not LeBronto), not many touch it ... The hype will die quickly. He's not going to be doing windmills every game and what hype will there be if he's playing a solid, contributing role? Right now he's a YouTube sensation, those people will quickly lose interest when he's not ticketed for NBA stardom. So to answer your question, more importantly for the program is that he develops into a vital player.
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Post by hoyazeke on May 8, 2018 17:28:32 GMT -5
I don't understand LA and 95's mission in attacking Mac's game so relentlessly. Do ya'll simply want to temper our expectations for Mac and the season? If so why? The fanbase can't have one off season of wild expectations? What happens if the fanbase wildly expects 10-6-3 from Mac and he turns out to be a role player that hardly gets off the bench like you think? We are disappointed. What's the difference than the last 4yrs? Just let the fanbase go crazy for a off-season. We deserve it after the last few years........
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Post by Ranch Dressing on May 8, 2018 17:29:22 GMT -5
Mac will be fine. There are a lot of haters out there. There will be some growing pains and bumps along the way, but the speed, hops, handle, finishing ability, and stroke are all too strong for him not to be a big-time Hoya contributor. Very few freshman guards arrive with the combination of skills.
I think his biggest challenge will be learning to dial it back and play within the half court. Not going for too much all the time and making the correct play, rather than attempting the outrageous play (which is okay strategically some of the time).
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Post by 95hoya on May 8, 2018 17:38:39 GMT -5
I don't understand LA and 95's mission in attacking Mac's game so relentlessly. Do ya'll simply want to temper our expectations for Mac and the season? If so why? The fanbase can't have one off season of wild expectations? What happens if the fanbase wildly expects 10-6-3 from Mac and he turns out to be a role player that hardly gets off the bench like you think? We are disappointed. What's the difference than the last 4yrs? Just let the fanbase go crazy for a off-season. We deserve it after the last few years........ I wish fans would temper their expectations because if he's not a star they will throw him under the bus. It will make him look like a bust and that's just not fair. It's more concern for the kid than trying to downplay excitement around the program. Social media can be really harsh.
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Post by swhoya on May 8, 2018 17:57:21 GMT -5
I don't understand LA and 95's mission in attacking Mac's game so relentlessly. Do ya'll simply want to temper our expectations for Mac and the season? If so why? The fanbase can't have one off season of wild expectations? What happens if the fanbase wildly expects 10-6-3 from Mac and he turns out to be a role player that hardly gets off the bench like you think? We are disappointed. What's the difference than the last 4yrs? Just let the fanbase go crazy for a off-season. We deserve it after the last few years........ I wish fans would temper their expectations because if he's not a star they will throw him under the bus. It will make him look like a bust and that's just not fair. It's more concern for the kid than trying to downplay excitement around the program. Social media can be really harsh. Yes. This right here. It's so much better to tear him down now and be surprised later than to disappointed and tear him down later! You silly people wanting a new player to succeed! It's so much easier to give in to your dark side and to belittle... (Here's a suggestion: if you don't like him, don't think he'll be that good, fine. Say it once and then keep it to yourself. You do absolutely zero good by going on, and on, and on about it. Doesn't help the team, doesn't help him, and doesn't help people that want to believe there's some hope for this team. You might be right. Time will tell. Just give it a rest because you make it insufferable for everyone else.)
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Post by kettlehill on May 8, 2018 18:15:58 GMT -5
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Post by wnyhoya on May 8, 2018 18:37:07 GMT -5
Ok serious question for the board as I've read through pretty much everything that has been posted in this thread...who would you think projects/projected to be the better college player coming out of high school? Mac or Blair? For reference, on 247 composite Mac is overall #239 and Blair was overall #238.
I'd take Mac all day just seeing his physical tools and traits. But then again Blair was on the All-Big East Freshmen team. But that's not in the equation - try to look at this if you don't know what Blair did this year (whether that changes your opinion or not).
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Post by paranoia2 on May 8, 2018 18:51:28 GMT -5
1) Mac plays above the rim. Explosive.
2) shoots well from deep. 3 point threat.
3) has played with a top AAU team and did not seem out of place or have trouble with not being a scoring machine and was a playmaker.
4) hard worker.
I add these four traits together and see a very bright future. People refer to the relative level of competition at his HS but every opponent was geared up to stop him and he produced huge numbers. It is very hard to score when you are the focus of a defense.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on May 8, 2018 18:57:05 GMT -5
Ok serious question for the board as I've read through pretty much everything that has been posted in this thread...who would you think projects/projected to be the better college player coming out of high school? Mac or Blair? For reference, on 247 composite Mac is overall #239 and Blair was overall #238. I'd take Mac all day just seeing his physical tools and traits. But then again Blair was on the All-Big East Freshmen team. But that's not in the equation - try to look at this if you don't know what Blair did this year (whether that changes your opinion or not). Very interesting! Lets ponder this, what would Mac's true ranking be and what affect would that have on the Hoya's coming in to new year? For myself, I placed Mac in the Top 15 and ranked him #11th in 247 sports class calculator. With that being said, I calculated the in coming team would be ranked 20th knocking Providence down to the 21st spot.
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