calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Nov 14, 2019 21:46:54 GMT -5
I admit to having been opposed to the hiring of Ewing after what I perceived was a sham “coaching search.” Also was uncomfortable with his in game coaching the past two years. So I am surprised at my feeling tonight that people are overreacting to the loss in terms of questioning Ewing’s coaching. Young kids who have read this site and others which proclaim them ready for prime time have not shown the effort and the basketball intelligence expected. Not at all hard to believe that the start to the season is one of just showing up and expecting to win. Press clippings can have that effect. Blame the coaches for the players not being ready. Ewing is on notice now. He has to show that he can motivate and coach. Start by making it clear that uptempo does not mean out of control. Far too many times last year breakaways became TOs. But for those who have been optimistic about this coach and this team for the past year, it seems a bit early to quit on them now.
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Post by DallasHoya on Nov 14, 2019 21:53:14 GMT -5
I'll quote coach Ewing from tonight's Penn St. post game press conference and extend his thoughts to the program approach over all: "I can't put my finger on it right now, I just don't have an answer". Quote was in response to a question about why they aren't good (not the exact question obviously). That's a bad answer. Frankly, that sounds like a JT III response. Own it and fix it. Read the ESPN article on Nebraska football bringing back Scott Frost as coach. Hits a little too close to home. "A lot of people feel that if this doesn't work with Scott, it's probably not going to work, period, you know?" - Tom Osborne
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 14, 2019 21:54:16 GMT -5
Players have to play harder. Tonight especially in the first half they were lethargic and slow! They had no flow. Mac and Mosley gave very little! The guards except for Akinjo played poorly and I didn't like the team chemistry.
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Post by hoyainla on Nov 15, 2019 10:32:31 GMT -5
Anyone else starting to get the feeling that the approach under Ewing is the Mullin approach? Get ball dominant scoring guards surrounded by athletes that can’t shoot and just roll the ball out there and say do something which usually leads to a street ball game. I remember how much we use to laugh at them. It doesn’t seem so funny now.
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Post by This Just In on Nov 15, 2019 10:42:27 GMT -5
Anyone else starting to get the feeling that the approach under Ewing is the Mullin approach? Get ball dominant scoring guards surrounded by athletes that can’t shoot and just roll the ball out there and say do something which usually leads to a street ball game. I remember how much we use to laugh at them. It doesn’t seem so funny now. Getting your doors blown off at home by double digits to a bottom feeder Big 10 team is no laughing matter.
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Post by wponds on Nov 15, 2019 10:42:34 GMT -5
this really made me think
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Post by wrestlemania on Nov 15, 2019 12:54:01 GMT -5
I'll quote coach Ewing from tonight's Penn St. post game press conference and extend his thoughts to the program approach over all: "I can't put my finger on it right now, I just don't have an answer". Quote was in response to a question about why they aren't good (not the exact question obviously). That's a bad answer. Frankly, that sounds like a JT III response. Own it and fix it. I also remember Esherick saying stuff like this. I suspect it has something to do with Pops' philosophy of giving the media as little as possible. Patrick watched the freaking game -- he knows enough to identify what's wrong. That he doesn't care to share with the press doesn't surprise me.
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Post by gatormcclusky on Nov 15, 2019 14:25:49 GMT -5
Players have to play harder. Tonight especially in the first half they were lethargic and slow! They had no flow. Mac and Mosley gave very little! The guards except for Akinjo played poorly and I didn't like the team chemistry. agree with everything you said here except that Akinjo played well - let's not kid ourselves, he was bad too, especially in the second half. The whole team looks like they're playing tight and having no fun at all out there.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Nov 15, 2019 15:24:04 GMT -5
The worst part about this whole thing is that I don't understand how the coaching has regressed from year 1. I was really bullish on Ewing as a coach when he was hired in terms of his X's/O's and overall knowledge of the game and he proved that correct initially. I don't understand how any structure has completely gone out the window, how seemingly his feel for the game has been abandoned, and based on very little seemingly gaining a stubborn attitude about the whole thing. I really hope he turns this around, because if this continues all year, we're in big big big trouble as a program
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Nov 15, 2019 17:32:57 GMT -5
The worst part about this whole thing is that I don't understand how the coaching has regressed from year 1. I was really bullish on Ewing as a coach when he was hired in terms of his X's/O's and overall knowledge of the game and he proved that correct initially. I don't understand how any structure has completely gone out the window, how seemingly his feel for the game has been abandoned, and based on very little seemingly gaining a stubborn attitude about the whole thing. I really hope he turns this around, because if this continues all year, we're in big big big trouble as a program I guess this is the thinking I don't get: a coaching regression. To me, this seems remarkably consistent from last year. (Does anyone remember the Jamaica?) And, the substitutions didn't make sense. Ewing coaches all the players and looks for them to get involved. I hope to see some changes too (more zone, e.g., and a tighter rotation as we play higher competition), but I have trouble seeing the regression that you all are talking about. I think we're going to have to adjust to the way he begins a season, which is a marked contrast from JT3 who had a tight rotation from day one. I get not liking it, buthe really uses this part of the season to see what works and gives everyone a chance. I find that side of it refreshing, but admittedly I don't like to see quick hooks and hockey style substitutions. But he has been consistent. The team will develop, as it has in other seasons. It remains to be seen if we are happy with the end result, but at least let the season play out.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Nov 15, 2019 21:36:33 GMT -5
The worst part about this whole thing is that I don't understand how the coaching has regressed from year 1. I was really bullish on Ewing as a coach when he was hired in terms of his X's/O's and overall knowledge of the game and he proved that correct initially. I don't understand how any structure has completely gone out the window, how seemingly his feel for the game has been abandoned, and based on very little seemingly gaining a stubborn attitude about the whole thing. I really hope he turns this around, because if this continues all year, we're in big big big trouble as a program I guess this is the thinking I don't get: a coaching regression. To me, this seems remarkably consistent from last year. (Does anyone remember the Jamaica?) And, the substitutions didn't make sense. Ewing coaches all the players and looks for them to get involved. I hope to see some changes too (more zone, e.g., and a tighter rotation as we play higher competition), but I have trouble seeing the regression that you all are talking about. I think we're going to have to adjust to the way he begins a season, which is a marked contrast from JT3 who had a tight rotation from day one. I get not liking it, buthe really uses this part of the season to see what works and gives everyone a chance. I find that side of it refreshing, but admittedly I don't like to see quick hooks and hockey style substitutions. But he has been consistent. The team will develop, as it has in other seasons. It remains to be seen if we are happy with the end result, but at least let the season play out. He's always played a lot of different lineup combinations early in the season, but he hasn't done wholesale hockey line changes like this. He's also had more semblance of discernible offensive schemes. We've also started with cupcake city until conference play. We just played a tournament resume game at home with no adjustment. It very much seems like there's been a coaching regression. That's why it's so hard to swallow personally. I'll be a broken record on this: We have the players this year, and so far they're not being put in any type of position to succeed.
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 15, 2019 22:26:36 GMT -5
Daggonneit, the players have some responsibility!!!!! We need some fired up personalities...get busy, play like you got game!!
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 15, 2019 22:55:44 GMT -5
This really made me think “Ewing can’t read” Different century same attitude. Ewing’s been coaching for 20 years and played ball for 20 years yet this clown is implying he can’t figure out what even a layman can figure out. I really wonder if a different type of coach would have to endure these questions about his intelligence.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Nov 22, 2019 0:03:23 GMT -5
There are very few who gave any credit on the win tonight to the coaching staff. Those guys have forgotten more about basketball than we have ever known, collectively. Coach was no more a genius tonight than he was an idiot after the first four games. Coach wants the team to have a defensive first attitude, that is why he had such a short leash in the first few games. He went deeper in the bench because he could. I see the team taking on his personality. I know the team will not be intimidated by playing Duke tomorrow night. Coach never backed down from a challenge and neither will this team.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 22, 2019 0:35:15 GMT -5
There are very few who gave any credit on the win tonight to the coaching staff. Those guys have forgotten more about basketball than we have ever known, collectively. Coach was no more a genius tonight than he was an idiot after the first four games. Coach wants the team to have a defensive first attitude, that is why he had such a short leash in the first few games. He went deeper in the bench because he could. I see the team taking on his personality. I know the team will not be intimidated by playing Duke tomorrow night. Coach never backed down from a challenge and neither will this team. Have to agree. Yes, the players were great tonight against Texas, but that defensive transformation from the first half to the second half doesn't happen without effective coaching.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 22, 2019 0:39:30 GMT -5
this really made me think Losing a few in the beginning of the season doesn’t matter as much this lunatic board thinks it does.
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 22, 2019 5:54:29 GMT -5
Great game. The coach has the team playing well. I hope the team continues this great play tonight. This is what we hope for, an energetic, clicking, collective effort- they were magical! Go Hoyas!!!
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Post by wponds on Nov 22, 2019 9:09:00 GMT -5
Thought Ewing coached brilliantly last night. Credit where credit is due
I want him to succeed. Criticism after Penn State game mainly bc I know he and the team could do better than the product they put out there
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Post by bigelephant on Nov 22, 2019 9:22:07 GMT -5
Thought Ewing coached brilliantly last night. Credit where credit is due I want him to succeed. Criticism after Penn State game mainly bc I know he and the team could do better than the product they put out there I think the team is between the PS game and the Texas game. FWIW team can't always play at it's top level. Let's hope we do it one more night and then we will worry about the next road trip which will be tough.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Nov 22, 2019 17:26:02 GMT -5
That could be right, Big Elephant. The biggest reason may be that we hit an abnormally high % of difficult 2PFG. Mac, Morko, James, and Yurt all attempted and made several long pull-up/fade away 2PFGs. Against our prior competition, those shots were clanging off the rim and we looked pretty average.
In the modern game, the conventional thinking is to build an offense around high % 2PFGA and open 3PFGA. I'm not totally convinced about the quality of the team's shot attempts in general. It might lead to volatility in our game-to-game performance on offense.
What helped most last night was defense and rebounding. We really stepped it up in those areas and that can help mask an average offensive output. Last night, we were good on both ends.
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