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Post by professorhoya on Mar 2, 2021 17:16:04 GMT -5
Sure. But there's a point where if you are disciplining players this much more often than other teams, you have to question whether the issue is your recruiting judgement or your level of discipline. Being a hardass to be a hardass is not a good reason. It's supposed to trigger behavior change in the disciplined player and reinforce in others. If it's not working, you have to question methods. There's simply no way for me to know, but the number of transfers, random DNP-CDs, etc. It just feels like Ewing is potentially stuck in the past in terms of discipline. It's been 40 years since he was at college. Exactly. You took the words right out of my mouth. It seems like we have had way more DNPs/coaches decisions compared to other programs. I get the reasoning behind it, and there are definitely instances where it might make sense (for example, when Akinjo went rogue). I cannot even think of an instance where it happened under JT3, though I am probably just drawing a blank at the moment. But, I think you are right. I think this is more likely being stuck in the past, and I am not sure it's a disciplinary method that really relates well to kids of this era. Generally speaking, I'd like to see the mentality of the program, both on and off the court, move into the present. When Ewing got hired and was initially more open with the media, I thought that was a really good sign of change, but once he got more entrenched into the hilltop, things seemed to head back to the way they've always been. The irony of these DNP type decisions is that for a program that likes to keep things close to the vest, it's actually doing the exact opposite by announcing to the world that something happened, which then leads to tons of speculation (something that was not an issue 30-40 years ago--heck, even 20 years ago--when nobody would have known except a tiny group) about what happened. So, in the end, the effort to keep things secret, combined with the disciplinary method, actually says a lot to the public. When III was here, he was considered too soft on his players and that was used as a negative. So it really doesn't matter what you do.
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Post by the_way on Mar 2, 2021 18:34:46 GMT -5
Sure. But there's a point where if you are disciplining players this much more often than other teams, you have to question whether the issue is your recruiting judgement or your level of discipline. Being a hardass to be a hardass is not a good reason. It's supposed to trigger behavior change in the disciplined player and reinforce in others. If it's not working, you have to question methods. There's simply no way for me to know, but the number of transfers, random DNP-CDs, etc. It just feels like Ewing is potentially stuck in the past in terms of discipline. It's been 40 years since he was at college. Exactly. You took the words right out of my mouth. It seems like we have had way more DNPs/coaches decisions compared to other programs. I get the reasoning behind it, and there are definitely instances where it might make sense (for example, when Akinjo went rogue). I cannot even think of an instance where it happened under JT3, though I am probably just drawing a blank at the moment. But, I think you are right. I think this is more likely being stuck in the past, and I am not sure it's a disciplinary method that really relates well to kids of this era. Generally speaking, I'd like to see the mentality of the program, both on and off the court, move into the present. When Ewing got hired and was initially more open with the media, I thought that was a really good sign of change, but once he got more entrenched into the hilltop, things seemed to head back to the way they've always been. The irony of these DNP type decisions is that for a program that likes to keep things close to the vest, it's actually doing the exact opposite by announcing to the world that something happened, which then leads to tons of speculation (something that was not an issue 30-40 years ago--heck, even 20 years ago--when nobody would have known except a tiny group) about what happened. So, in the end, the effort to keep things secret, combined with the disciplinary method, actually says a lot to the public. The public doesn't care. Wanna know why? People move forward. You are talking about a DNP for a player who Ewing said will play the following game. We don't know if it is even for discipline. Either way, Ewing is protecting the player. Nobody really cares why Blair was DNP'd, especially since he is scheduled to play tonight. He has been DNP'd previously in his career. Seems like he moved forward from it then and will do the same now. People talk about Ewing dwelling in the past, but the complainers keep harping on it. Ewing, Blair, etc. have moved forward. Why can't everybody else?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 2, 2021 19:49:49 GMT -5
Exactly. You took the words right out of my mouth. It seems like we have had way more DNPs/coaches decisions compared to other programs. I get the reasoning behind it, and there are definitely instances where it might make sense (for example, when Akinjo went rogue). I cannot even think of an instance where it happened under JT3, though I am probably just drawing a blank at the moment. But, I think you are right. I think this is more likely being stuck in the past, and I am not sure it's a disciplinary method that really relates well to kids of this era. Generally speaking, I'd like to see the mentality of the program, both on and off the court, move into the present. When Ewing got hired and was initially more open with the media, I thought that was a really good sign of change, but once he got more entrenched into the hilltop, things seemed to head back to the way they've always been. The irony of these DNP type decisions is that for a program that likes to keep things close to the vest, it's actually doing the exact opposite by announcing to the world that something happened, which then leads to tons of speculation (something that was not an issue 30-40 years ago--heck, even 20 years ago--when nobody would have known except a tiny group) about what happened. So, in the end, the effort to keep things secret, combined with the disciplinary method, actually says a lot to the public. The public doesn't care. Wanna know why? People move forward. You are talking about a DNP for a player who Ewing said will play the following game. We don't know if it is even for discipline. Either way, Ewing is protecting the player. Nobody really cares why Blair was DNP'd, especially since he is scheduled to play tonight. He has been DNP'd previously in his career. Seems like he moved forward from it then and will do the same now. People talk about Ewing dwelling in the past, but the complainers keep harping on it. Ewing, Blair, etc. have moved forward. Why can't everybody else? Dwelling in the past? Blair got DNP’ed one game ago. And didn’t start again tonight. You’re acting like we are talking about ancient history. This was two days ago. It is not like this is harkening back to 1984. But, if you only want to talk about things that happen now or in the future, HoyaTalk will get boring really fast. I agree it’s not a big deal but acting like it’s not even worthy of discussion because it happened in the past makes no sense. As far as people caring, I agree the community who cares about anything that happens with Georgetown basketball is pretty small. But you can say that about 99% of stuff discussed here.
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Post by the_way on Mar 2, 2021 19:59:33 GMT -5
Blair is playing tonight. Playing well at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 10:15:49 GMT -5
Blair, please come back. I'm on my hands and knees and begging pleeeeeeze!!!!
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Post by s4hoyas on Mar 3, 2021 10:59:41 GMT -5
Jahvon having a very nice senior year (the one game suspension not withstanding)...keep it rollin' (stay within the team concept, but burn 'em when you have the opportunity)...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 11:44:09 GMT -5
Watching this brought tears to my eyes! I need you to work them fools today like you did yesterday my man!!
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Mar 11, 2021 22:25:12 GMT -5
Kudos to Blair today - some big 3s and a terrific pass to Wahab late for the 3-pt play. Well done!
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 12, 2021 4:22:57 GMT -5
Blair in my mind will go down as one of the most underrated and under appreciated Players in Hoyas history. People have suggested that he’s not a Big East caliber starter, he’s one dimensional, etc.....I call BS. He’s an offensive machine, always plays hard, takes and makes very difficult shots, and has the best float game (floater) of any Hoya ever. It had to be said...the guy doesn’t get enough love...and I have a feeling it has to do with the fact that he played behind Mac and/or was replacing Mac. By the way, Mac had a whopping 7 points, 0 assists and 4 turnovers yesterday.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 12, 2021 5:53:23 GMT -5
And when he is feeling it his stroke drops so sweetly into the net.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 13, 2021 9:23:08 GMT -5
So rewatching the Seton Hall game, I wonder if removing Blair from the starting lineup was based on putting him in his highest and best use as a 6th man.
Also, it is clear he has been working Tim on feeding him at the rim on drives. There have been 4 instances over the last 2 games in which Blair fed Tim within a foot of the rim. No one else has attempted this. Maybe rotations were adjusted because Blair was the best combo for Tim making him a more effective player when he is on the floor.
It is not like Carey is blowing up the last few games. I think it is an adjustment in search of a marginal improvement.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 13, 2021 9:37:02 GMT -5
So rewatching the Seton Hall game, I wonder if removing Blair from the starting lineup was based on putting him in his highest and best use as a 6th man. Also, it is clear he has been working Tim on feeding him at the rim on drives. There have been 4 instances over the last 2 games in which Blair fed Tim within a foot of the rim. No one else has attempted this. Maybe rotations were adjusted because Blair was the best combo for Tim making him a more effective player when he is on the floor. It is not like Carey is blowing up the last few games. I think it is an adjustment in search of a marginal improvement. Of course it was. He is not still being punished. Patrick needs that spark to kickstart the offense when it struggles. Jahvon is all in on his role at this point. Oh, and he has actually struggled a little with his shot the last couple if games. So LOOK OUT Creighton, he is due for about 20 tonight.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 13, 2021 9:39:35 GMT -5
So rewatching the Seton Hall game, I wonder if removing Blair from the starting lineup was based on putting him in his highest and best use as a 6th man. Also, it is clear he has been working Tim on feeding him at the rim on drives. There have been 4 instances over the last 2 games in which Blair fed Tim within a foot of the rim. No one else has attempted this. Maybe rotations were adjusted because Blair was the best combo for Tim making him a more effective player when he is on the floor. It is not like Carey is blowing up the last few games. I think it is an adjustment in search of a marginal improvement. I was wondering the same thing last night. As much as I'd like to give full credit to Pat, it seems most likely that the change somewhat fell into his lap. There was clearly some sort of "issue" initially that led to him starting on the bench. But we are now at a point where the overall minutes show there's no long-term issue of any kind. I suspect that most of all, it's a "don't screw with what's been working" thing rather than any hard-thought plan. I don't see much of a different connection with Tim than with Q and he plays plenty with Q anyway. Honestly, I'm a fan of starting your top five rather than chase some sort of middle-of-the-half possible advantage. Too much can happen to moot the strategy. So...I'd rather he start since I think he's the better overall option. But...they all play so many minutes it really doesn't matter.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 13, 2021 10:08:08 GMT -5
IMO Blair clearly has more legs in the second halves since the switch which is crucial to his outside shot. Although improved, he is the most likely guard to create live ball turnovers which is NOT the way to start games.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 13, 2021 13:12:56 GMT -5
IMO Blair clearly has more legs in the second halves since the switch which is crucial to his outside shot. Although improved, he is the most likely guard to create live ball turnovers which is NOT the way to start games. Blair coming off the bench allows Dante to run the offense to start, and Dante makes sure the ball gets moving. I would not write off the idea that some of our defensive improvement is due to an offense where everyone gets a chance to touch the ball. This was a big thing for Steve Kerr with the Warriors the last few years -- you can watch as Curry rarely tries to take over early in games because getting your teammates involved makes them work harder off the ball. Blair coming off the bench also brings a Blair hungry to score, and it has been a reliable jump start the last few games. He's got energy, and he's attacking and largely in a smart manner. Whether Patrick fell into it, or it was intentional, it's working.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 16:59:47 GMT -5
Myself, as you guys may know, have been perplexed and somewhat frustrated that Blair hadn't started over the last couple of weeks. I first surmised that coach wanted to have Blair bring the spark off the bench as I didn't necessarily believe it was a disciplinary issue.
I pleaded and pleaded with coach to start Blair the next game (which he didn't). I pleaded the next game and still he didn't start Blair and then third game, I pleaded but still no start.
To me Blair is the "engine" that makes this team run. He injects energy into the flow of our offense because he himself has a lot of energy plus he's crafty with the ball and can light it up quickly. So after the third game where Blair started the game on the bench, I realized that what I surmised at first for why coach had him starting on the bench (scoring spark off the bench) was perhaps not really what the coach was aiming for.
It dawned on me the real purpose for why coach has Blair starting the game on the bench. Anybody wanna know why?
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Post by hoopsmccan on Mar 13, 2021 17:03:46 GMT -5
Myself, as you guys may know, have been perplexed and somewhat frustrated that Blair hadn't started over the last couple of weeks. I first surmised that coach wanted to have Blair bring the spark off the bench as I didn't necessarily believe it was a disciplinary issue. I pleaded and pleaded with coach to start Blair the next game (which he didn't). I pleaded the next game and still he didn't start Blair and then third game, I pleaded but still no start. To me Blair is the "engine" that makes this team run. He injects energy into the flow of our offense because he himself has a lot of energy plus he's crafty with the ball and can light it up quickly. So after the third game where Blair started the game on the bench, I realized that what I surmised at first for why coach had him starting on the bench (scoring spark off the bench) was perhaps not really what the coach was aiming for. It dawned on me the real purpose for why coach has Blair starting the game on the bench. Anybody wanna know why?No. hm
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 13, 2021 17:18:36 GMT -5
I think it’s because we wants and needs more firepower off the bench. He usually enters the game at the 14 minute mark and just after that he sits Q. He generally goes to Q early and often at the start of the game and after sitting Q...he packs a punch with Blair.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 13, 2021 17:36:29 GMT -5
I think it’s because we wants and needs more firepower off the bench. He usually enters the game at the 14 minute mark and just after that he sits Q. He generally goes to Q early and often at the start of the game and after sitting Q...he packs a punch with Blair. Ding Ding Ding. You win the prize.
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