bigskyhoya
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Post by bigskyhoya on Mar 30, 2017 12:37:26 GMT -5
As well they should, but it seems many schools struggle in that regard. Kudos to GU for that. And some governments as well.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Mar 30, 2017 12:43:16 GMT -5
Just to be clear, I don't necessarily put much stock in it myself, but it was too juicy a tidbit to not report in this forum. My source says that White believes coaching for one of the mainline ACC schools to be the coaching apex, but believes coaching in the Big East would be a step-up from the SEC. True or not, I think it's additional evidence that you just don't know what people's motivations are. Of course, the obvious downside there is that if he were to come to Georgetown and succeed, he'd be a very likely flight risk to the top ACC jobs. But, if that means he made us a winning program, I would take that risk and take the success that would come along with it! Yes, we should all be for taking that risk. We just can't worry about a coach we have not hired yet becoming so successful here that he leaves years down the road to take a bigger job. And it should not be a factor in the hiring decision. I would much rather have that happen than hire a coach who has middling success, has no larger aspirations and wants to say at Georgetown for life.
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Post by One on Mar 30, 2017 13:00:24 GMT -5
That's a strong hire for them. I think he will really excel in his new shot at being a head coach. Was kind of hoping Crean would go there. Not seeing the natural fit for Grant at Dayton. I would have gone with somebody more from the Midwest or from somebody like Chris Mack or Thad Matta's coaching tree. Seems like a retread hire for Dayton. Except, of course, for the fact he played at Dayton
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 30, 2017 13:08:55 GMT -5
Was kind of hoping Crean would go there. Not seeing the natural fit for Grant at Dayton. I would have gone with somebody more from the Midwest or from somebody like Chris Mack or Thad Matta's coaching tree. Seems like a retread hire for Dayton. Except, of course, for the fact he played at DaytonDidn't realize that, makes a lot more sense now! Still don't know that his coaching experience over the last 10-15 years is very relevant to Dayton, and seems like a retread hire, but nice move for Grant.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 30, 2017 13:25:24 GMT -5
I've heard from a friend of my cousin twice removed that they heard that the search committee, when considering all the options, decided to take JTIII back as coach.
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Post by 8791hoyanc on Mar 30, 2017 13:27:41 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why Crean is disliked on this board? I always thought he was a good coach.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 30, 2017 13:28:17 GMT -5
I hope they didn't give him a raise.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 30, 2017 13:32:49 GMT -5
I've heard from a friend of my cousin twice removed that they heard that the search committee, when considering all the options, decided to take JTIII back as coach. I know you joke, but if "John Smith III" was available, and had the exact same record as JT3, he would likely be on the short list of people being considered.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 30, 2017 13:36:19 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why Crean is disliked on this board? I always thought he was a good coach. For one, I've watched his teams play. They play sloppy basketball. Crean also is a bit of a bible thumper and diet coke huffer which are unlikeable traits. He also makes it about him vs. the players and team. I am from Indiana and while I agree that fan base is over the top, Crean is to blame. He can't coach bigs (watch how many times in a game Bryant goes inside, it is rare) and he allows for errant chucking, high turnovers & poor D. Sound familiar? He did recruit well at Indiana but he did that in a dishonorable way. One, he didn't recruit the state well which is a sin in Indiana. Two, he frequently would recruit over kids and pull back out of verbals which Editeded off all the high school and AAU programs in the state which is why his roster is mainly composed of out of staters despite Indiana being a hot bed for talent. He is wrong on many levels and those are my reasons.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Mar 30, 2017 13:37:26 GMT -5
I've heard from a friend of my cousin twice removed that they heard that the search committee, when considering all the options, decided to take JTIII back as coach. I know you joke, but if "John Smith III" was available, and had the exact same record as JT3, he would likely be on the short list of people being considered. Or if his name was Shaka Smart, he might be your first choice. NCAA Tournament Record: 9-8 vs 7-6 Final Four: 1 vs 1 Sweet 16: 2 vs 1 NCAA appearances last 5 years: 2 vs 4 Post-Season Record Since 2012: 3-4 vs 2-5 First Round Exits: 3 vs 3 Record Past two seasons: 29-36 (.440) vs 31–35 (.470) Recruiting Advantage: Smart
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 30, 2017 13:38:30 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why Crean is disliked on this board? I always thought he was a good coach. As a group we HATE Diet Coke.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 30, 2017 13:40:21 GMT -5
If he switches to Coke Zero or Diet Dr. Pepper = hired.
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Post by guru on Mar 30, 2017 13:43:46 GMT -5
I've heard from a friend of my cousin twice removed that they heard that the search committee, when considering all the options, decided to take JTIII back as coach. I know you joke, but if "John Smith III" was available, and had the exact same record as JT3, he would likely be on the short list of people being considered. Not coming off two straight losing records he wouldn't. If a coach with JT3's exact resume - a final four in the distant past and lots of losing in the most recent past - were hired now, there would be an uproar. Justifiably. But keep dreaming.
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 30, 2017 13:44:36 GMT -5
I was with you until I got to the final paragraph. Which part? The part about us not being unique? We aren't unique in ways that matter as far as being a desirable landing place for a coach in 2017. I know we like to think we are some special, unique university, because of our history. And yes, winning the national championship was great, and JT Jr. put together a special program and had a cultural impact that was incredibly important. But, that is no longer true and has not been true for years. Moreover, if anything, the university is moving away from that legacy (unless it hires Ewing). I went to Georgetown. I absolutely loved the university. I love the basketball program. Do I think it's a special, unique place? Absolutely. I would never have wanted to go to another university. So to me, it's incredibly unique. To an outside coach looking only at the basketball program? Not as much. This reminds me of some speaking to how little Georgetown's heyday means to current student "fans", even to the extent that they shouldn't be expected to respect JTIII for his earlier successes. One wonders why, when it comes to a fan base that, when they're not thinking about their BBall team, are in basements being tortured with the Socratic Method by Jesuit Professors, and various other things that occurred hundreds and thousands of years ago, somehow can't be expected to understand what JTIII and his Pops represent to Georgetown Basketball. Ah well. Disagree strongly with the notion that Georgetown no longer has it's unique brand, which was still acknowledged, thanks in no small part to the throwback qualities of one Mr. Trawick, a mere two years ago. Not saying our new coach merely needs to throw a towel over his shoulder, but there are a lot of people following basketball who are 40 plus years old, including probably most of our potential coaches, not a one of them doesn't understand what Georgetown Basketball stood for, and what is waiting a massive resurgence.
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Post by TC on Mar 30, 2017 13:44:51 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why Crean is disliked on this board? I always thought he was a good coach. I think disliked is the wrong word. He seems like a very decent man. However ... Tom Crean : .606 winning percentage, .664 at Marquette, 4 NCAA appearances in 9 years JT3 : .641 winning percentage, .653 at Georgetown, 5 NCAA appearances in 9 years is there really that much difference there? You're hiring someone the same age as JT3, with a very similar record as JT3, who was fired for very similar results as JT3. It's virtually the same thing as Amaker - why did we go through what is basically political upheaval of the Thompsons for a guy who is basically in the same situation as JT3? As far as I understand it, and I'm still not sure I agree with it, the point of firing JT3 was to get to another level of success. Tom Crean's not going to do that. With Hurley, you're getting someone a bit younger, with a track record. With Christian, you get someone a lot younger, except without the track record.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 30, 2017 13:45:44 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why Crean is disliked on this board? I always thought he was a good coach. For one, I've watched his teams play. They play sloppy basketball. Crean also is a bit of a bible thumper and diet coke huffer which are unlikeable traits. He also makes it about him vs. the players and team. I am from Indiana and while I agree that fan base is over the top, Crean is to blame. He can't coach bigs (watch how many times in a game Bryant goes inside, it is rare) and he allows for errant chucking, high turnovers & poor D. Sound familiar? He did recruit well at Indiana but he did that in a dishonorable way. One, he didn't recruit the state well which is a sin in Indiana. Two, he frequently would recruit over kids and pull back out of verbals which Editeded off all the high school and AAU programs in the state which is why his roster is mainly composed of out of staters despite Indiana being a hot bed for talent. He is wrong on many levels and those are my reasons. There's something missing here. That guy would not be as successful as Crean has been. I'm willing to believe that personality-wise he may be a bad fit here. But, sloppy b'ball or not, he would have us contending in the BE by his third year. Guess it depends on what floats your boat.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Mar 30, 2017 13:47:22 GMT -5
I know you joke, but if "John Smith III" was available, and had the exact same record as JT3, he would likely be on the short list of people being considered. Not coming off two straight losing records he wouldn't. If a coach with JT3's exact resume - a final four in the distant past and lots of losing in the most recent past - were hired now, there would be an uproar. Justifiably. But keep dreaming. Again. See Shaka Smart (edited above). Their resumes, absent the sexier name and style of play, are pretty similar over last 5 years.
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Post by guru on Mar 30, 2017 13:50:02 GMT -5
Not coming off two straight losing records he wouldn't. If a coach with JT3's exact resume - a final four in the distant past and lots of losing in the most recent past - were hired now, there would be an uproar. Justifiably. But keep dreaming. Again. See Shaka Smart (edited above). Their resumes, absent the sexier name and style of play, are pretty similar over last 5 years. Recruiting counts too. But yes, Smarts horrible season is a big mark against him. Good thing we won't have to worry about that
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 30, 2017 13:53:48 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why Crean is disliked on this board? I always thought he was a good coach. I think disliked is the wrong word. He seems like a very decent man. However ... Tom Crean : .606 winning percentage, .664 at Marquette, 4 NCAA appearances in 9 years JT3 : .641 winning percentage, .653 at Georgetown, 5 NCAA appearances in 9 years is there really that much difference there? You're hiring someone the same age as JT3, with a very similar record as JT3, who was fired for very similar results as JT3. It's virtually the same thing as Amaker - why did we go through what is basically political upheaval of the Thompsons for a guy who is basically in the same situation as JT3? As far as I understand it, and I'm still not sure I agree with it, the point of firing JT3 was to get to another level of success. Tom Crean's not going to do that. With Hurley, you're getting someone a bit younger, with a track record. With Christian, you get someone a lot younger, except without the track record. Why is the trajectory of the program not an issue with JTIII? I honestly do not get it. He was not terminated because he had only a .653 winning percentage. Crean was canned at 18-16, one year after a Sweet 16.
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Post by sweetness on Mar 30, 2017 13:53:55 GMT -5
I can't believe people are still bringing up JT3. But since they did....I think when JT3 (hopefully) comes back for games, etc. he will be very warmly received by Hoyas fans for all that he accomplished. But frankly a big part of what the new coach has to do is dig us out of the deep hole he's put us in from a roster and perception perspective. I hope that challenge isn't scaring off potential hires.
We are fortunate that there's so many transfers - 5th year and otherwise - floating around these days so you can create a bridge to a new generation of freshmen.
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