prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 27, 2017 20:49:48 GMT -5
I give it until late Wed./early Thur. before rumors start to converge; Friday afternoon the white smoke wafts above Healy. Habemus coacham?
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dense
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Post by dense on Mar 27, 2017 20:50:14 GMT -5
I give it until late Wed./early Thur. before rumors start to converge; Friday afternoon the white smoke wafts above Healy. yeah gotta end this before the Final Four.
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Post by nychoya96 on Mar 27, 2017 21:08:23 GMT -5
Watching the Knicks v. Pistons game (don't ask) and they had a rather long discussion about Ewing and our head coaching position. Included a clip of Stan Van Gundy passionately advocating for Patrick - which isn't particularly surprising. He made a point of talking about how recruiting is mostly about kids being told that they can get to the league - and who better to tell them that than Patrick. Mike Breen also mentioned that he heard that Patrick really wants the job. For whatever that is worth.
Not the I needed Stan, Breen and Clyde Frazier to push me in this direction, but I'd be very happy to see Patrick get the job. I think we mostly agree on the dynamics here: he has the requisite training and experience to be a good x's and o's guy; for 15 years he has been game planning for NBA teams with half the time to prepare that college coaches have; and has the work ethic to be out on the road grinding. And the fact that he didn't have to do any of that also says good things about his commitment and work ethic. There are legitimate questions about his transition to a head coaching position; to dealing with kids and to attracting guards to come here.
That said, I've yet to see the candidate listed who didn't have as many questions as answers.
Short of that candidate emerging, I'm in for Patrick. But not all - or even mostly - because of his attributes. I'm in because if there is an advantage that Georgetown has over all but a handful of schools it is our story. Our story is a unique story about family and legacy and toughness and that fact that all of that happened in a somewhat unlikely place. I hear and understand the call on this board to separate from the Thompson family and run things a bit more similarly to a standard NCAA high major program. But the truth is that we are not, and will not become, Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA or UNC. We don't have the resources and we don't have systemic things in place to make that happen. So as a fan, I don't expect that. What I expect is sustainable success, with a few beautiful march runs thrown in there, and I expect to be committed and tied to the school and the program because of what makes us unique. Patrick helps keep and accentuate that story. We can somewhat easily dismiss both the positive and negative things we've heard from important hoops alumni - particularly during trying times. But wouldn't it be better to keep that family together? It's hard to imagine that a Ewing run program wouldn't bring together Mourning and Williams and Jackson and AI and Wallace and Jeff and Roy and Otto and all. I want to hear more about those guys coming back in the summer to run with the new guys. I want them at games. And I don't imagine we get those summer stories under Hurley or Pitino, etc..
Now I'm not advocating for giving up wins for a story. But I just don't see how a Danny Hurley program is so clearly more likely to be successful than a Ewing program. And a Hurley program lacks any of the uniqueness that makes us Georgetown.
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Post by daymondmyles on Mar 27, 2017 21:21:21 GMT -5
My prediction is our next coach will be someone who has not been mentioned on this board. Though not an elite basketball program at this point in time, Georgetown is still a good program and I think we would all be surprised who might be coming out of the woodwork expressing interest. You mean SRD will be our next coach?! That would be amazingly appropriate.
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Mar 27, 2017 21:23:08 GMT -5
Ewing and Hurley are both unknown quantities in terms of high major D1 coaching...but yet so very different. I see legit arguments for both.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 27, 2017 21:26:45 GMT -5
I'm enjoying the ebbs and flows of the coaching rumor mill. I suppose it looks like another day of it is drawing to a close. I've liked the rumors today (Cooley, Hurley) far better than the rumors of yesterday (Ewing) and the early rumors when the search opened (Amaker). I did a synopsis of my thoughts shortly after the vacancy, and now here are my thoughts as of right now.
Top Tier:
Shaka Smart: Until he withdraws from consideration, I will not give up on him. He would rejuvenate the program, energize the fan base, and recruit the DMV exceptionally well. His tough defense would be fun to watch, and his aggressive style of play would be much welcome.
Ed Cooley: Cooley is a terrific coach and has really out-performed at Providence. Georgetown is an undeniable step up. To me, Cooley brings established coaching ability, toughness, and a connection to the Thompsons. He would be a big success here.
Danny Hurley: Hurley can flat-out build programs. He has done a great job with very little at Wagner and Rhode Island. Plus, he got Rhode Island its first NCAA Tournament win in a couple decades. Even if his URI performance has been a tad bit uneven, he has managed to consistently improve that program. He has an ability to recruit, familiarity with the Big East, and he could do great things at Georgetown.
Middle Tier:
Richard Pitino: He's young, he's relatively inexperienced, but he has also done a decent job recruiting at Minnesota. The coaching job that he did this year with a short-handed roster was also really impressive. He built a balanced team and won Big 10 coach of the year. He's an up and comer in the profession, and I wouldn't mind seeing us take a chance on him.
Jamion Christian: Very young and still relatively unproven, but I really like him. He's also an up and coming coach, and he exudes youth and energy. He would be an interesting guy to take a chance on and see if he can build a program. He seems very driven, energetic, and someone who would thrive in a league like the Big East.
Tommy Amaker: Still not as down on him as some on the board. Not my first choice, but not my last. He has shown a strong ability to build a program at Harvard and is still relatively young. I do worry about his ability to energize the program.
Tom Crean: He's not my first choice, but I'd be fine if he were selected. He has succeeded everywhere he has gone. No, Indiana was not a failure. He's a good recruiter, and he would definitely get us up and down the court. Still, just not my top choice in terms of his fit for the program.
Those are the coaches I would consider at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 21:28:22 GMT -5
I spoke with a former client of mine who is an above average donor at Texas. He mentioned it would be their dream if we would could take Shaka off their hands. Apparently, UT was not happy with the record this year and there were some Charlie Strong comparisons. I've been struggling over the past few days to find UT fans who actually want him to stick around. Weird, but not really. Yeah they barely talk about it on their board and when they do its "they can have him" or worse.... Guess the honeymoons over
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Post by sleepy on Mar 27, 2017 21:37:49 GMT -5
Watching the Knicks v. Pistons game (don't ask) and they had a rather long discussion about Ewing and our head coaching position. Included a clip of Stan Van Gundy passionately advocating for Patrick - which isn't particularly surprising. He made a point of talking about how recruiting is mostly about kids being told that they can get to the league - and who better to tell them that than Patrick. Mike Breen also mentioned that he heard that Patrick really wants the job. For whatever that is worth. Not the I needed Stan, Breen and Clyde Frazier to push me in this direction, but I'd be very happy to see Patrick get the job. I think we mostly agree on the dynamics here: he has the requisite training and experience to be a good x's and o's guy; for 15 years he has been game planning for NBA teams with half the time to prepare that college coaches have; and has the work ethic to be out on the road grinding. And the fact that he didn't have to do any of that also says good things about his commitment and work ethic. There are legitimate questions about his transition to a head coaching position; to dealing with kids and to attracting guards to come here. That said, I've yet to see the candidate listed who didn't have as many questions as answers. Short of that candidate emerging, I'm in for Patrick. But not all - or even mostly - because of his attributes. I'm in because if there is an advantage that Georgetown has over all but a handful of schools it is our story. Our story is a unique story about family and legacy and toughness and that fact that all of that happened in a somewhat unlikely place. I hear and understand the call on this board to separate from the Thompson family and run things a bit more similarly to a standard NCAA high major program. But the truth is that we are not, and will not become, Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA or UNC. We don't have the resources and we don't have systemic things in place to make that happen. So as a fan, I don't expect that. What I expect is sustainable success, with a few beautiful march runs thrown in there, and I expect to be committed and tied to the school and the program because of what makes us unique. Patrick helps keep and accentuate that story. We can somewhat easily dismiss both the positive and negative things we've heard from important hoops alumni - particularly during trying times. But wouldn't it be better to keep that family together? It's hard to imagine that a Ewing run program wouldn't bring together Mourning and Williams and Jackson and AI and Wallace and Jeff and Roy and Otto and all. I want to hear more about those guys coming back in the summer to run with the new guys. I want them at games. And I don't imagine we get those summer stories under Hurley or Pitino, etc.. Now I'm not advocating for giving up wins for a story. But I just don't see how a Danny Hurley program is so clearly more likely to be successful than a Ewing program. And a Hurley program lacks any of the uniqueness that makes us Georgetown. Co-sign.
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Post by bicentennial on Mar 27, 2017 22:39:48 GMT -5
A totally out of the box suggestion but he seems like he might be perfect. Jim Engles is a coach we played against when he was Pryor's head coach at NJIT and has been winning accolades as a rising star young coach. He is currently head coach at Columbia. Perhaps equally importantly his Grandfather was a Georgetown Basketball player and the only Player/Coach in Georgetown History leading the team in 1945-46 until Elmer Ripley returned from Notre Dame. How's that for GU family and yet out of the Box!
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 27, 2017 22:57:35 GMT -5
How about Dan Majerle? His teams at Grand Canyon have been quite good considering they just moved to D1.
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Post by dense on Mar 27, 2017 23:24:13 GMT -5
How about Dan Majerle? His teams at Grand Canyon have been quite good considering they just moved to D1. Also someone who has a connection to the Thompson's I know JT2 loves that dude.
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Post by Filo on Mar 28, 2017 5:51:23 GMT -5
Just got some inside info that it's going to be Screamy McScreamerson...
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 28, 2017 6:00:36 GMT -5
Just got some inside info that it's going to be Screamy McScreamerson... Nooooooooooooo!
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 28, 2017 6:09:29 GMT -5
Just got some inside info that it's going to be Screamy McScreamerson... Definitely not my first choice, but I am willing to give him a chance. He certainly has shown to have the energy necessary to build a program. His teams play with intensity. He has the pedigree. His teams will be fun to watch. I just hope he has learn or can learn to control his own emotions.
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 28, 2017 6:19:52 GMT -5
Just got some inside info that it's going to be Screamy McScreamerson... Definitely not my first choice, but I am willing to give him a chance. He certainly has shown to have the energy necessary to build a program. His teams play with intensity. He has the pedigree. His teams will be fun to watch. I just hope he has learn or can learn to control his own emotions. I will always cheer for the Hoyas, but if true, this news doesn't excite me.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 28, 2017 6:44:50 GMT -5
The Junk Yard Dog was asked on Facebook about a coaching gig at Gtown. "Man, y'all got me like Biggie!! It was all a DREAM to coac Gtown. I'd have tjose kids playing hard with mean muggs." — Jerome Williams Gotta love JYD! He's hype, we need all hype coaches. LOL! Right?
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Post by Elvado on Mar 28, 2017 6:45:14 GMT -5
Just got some inside info that it's going to be Screamy McScreamerson... Apologize but who?
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 28, 2017 6:50:23 GMT -5
Watching the Knicks v. Pistons game (don't ask) and they had a rather long discussion about Ewing and our head coaching position. Included a clip of Stan Van Gundy passionately advocating for Patrick - which isn't particularly surprising. He made a point of talking about how recruiting is mostly about kids being told that they can get to the league - and who better to tell them that than Patrick. Mike Breen also mentioned that he heard that Patrick really wants the job. For whatever that is worth. Not the I needed Stan, Breen and Clyde Frazier to push me in this direction, but I'd be very happy to see Patrick get the job. I think we mostly agree on the dynamics here: he has the requisite training and experience to be a good x's and o's guy; for 15 years he has been game planning for NBA teams with half the time to prepare that college coaches have; and has the work ethic to be out on the road grinding. And the fact that he didn't have to do any of that also says good things about his commitment and work ethic. There are legitimate questions about his transition to a head coaching position; to dealing with kids and to attracting guards to come here. That said, I've yet to see the candidate listed who didn't have as many questions as answers. Short of that candidate emerging, I'm in for Patrick. But not all - or even mostly - because of his attributes. I'm in because if there is an advantage that Georgetown has over all but a handful of schools it is our story. Our story is a unique story about family and legacy and toughness and that fact that all of that happened in a somewhat unlikely place. I hear and understand the call on this board to separate from the Thompson family and run things a bit more similarly to a standard NCAA high major program. But the truth is that we are not, and will not become, Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA or UNC. We don't have the resources and we don't have systemic things in place to make that happen. So as a fan, I don't expect that. What I expect is sustainable success, with a few beautiful march runs thrown in there, and I expect to be committed and tied to the school and the program because of what makes us unique. Patrick helps keep and accentuate that story. We can somewhat easily dismiss both the positive and negative things we've heard from important hoops alumni - particularly during trying times. But wouldn't it be better to keep that family together? It's hard to imagine that a Ewing run program wouldn't bring together Mourning and Williams and Jackson and AI and Wallace and Jeff and Roy and Otto and all. I want to hear more about those guys coming back in the summer to run with the new guys. I want them at games. And I don't imagine we get those summer stories under Hurley or Pitino, etc.. Now I'm not advocating for giving up wins for a story. But I just don't see how a Danny Hurley program is so clearly more likely to be successful than a Ewing program. And a Hurley program lacks any of the uniqueness that makes us Georgetown. Co-sign. Me three. The whole anti-PE thing seems to hinge on (1) No college experience and (2) We could never fire him. With respect to (2), I think that's laughable at this point, but as to (1) what recruit isn't at least taking that phone call. There's still some brand left in our name, and there will always be another "Hurley" every year, but we only get one shot at moving forward in the right direction with a link to our past. In 5-6 years if a Hurley doesn't work out, going back to the well will just look like a cheap attempt to get headlines for a few days. I'm not and never have said he should be a shoo-in, but he certainly should have been #2 on any list with any obvious first choice. Hurley definitely does not feel like a first choice...
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Post by HoyaSC on Mar 28, 2017 6:53:23 GMT -5
Just got some inside info that it's going to be Screamy McScreamerson... I thought we were staying away from the Bob Huggins coaching tree. Since The Board already eliminated Frank Martin from contention, I don't see people getting behind McScreamerson. He's a divider, not a uniter.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Mar 28, 2017 7:04:24 GMT -5
Just got some inside info that it's going to be Screamy McScreamerson... I thought we were staying away from the Bob Huggins coaching tree. Since The Board already eliminated Frank Martin from contention, I don't see people getting behind McScreamerson. He's a divider, not a uniter. Who are we talking about?
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