sweetness
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Post by sweetness on Mar 15, 2017 12:27:16 GMT -5
If the point of this thread is to argue that you need to have good lead guards to win in college basketball, I think we can all agree on that, no need for debate. Our offense never looked better than with Wallace at the point. But it's not Casualhoya's or Hoyatalk's fault that we haven't had a true PG since Starks graduated.
I for one could not believe that JT3 decided to insert DSR at the point a few years ago when he's clearly not a true lead guard. Having DSR off the ball to spot up paired with a penetrating lead guard would have been far more effective. But that's water under the bridge at this juncture.
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Massholya
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Post by Massholya on Mar 15, 2017 12:34:56 GMT -5
www.coachesclipboard.net/PrincetonOffense.html <your website, picture of JT3 in article about "Princeton Offense" Glide: Do you think that a so/so article by Casual Hoya has more to do with recruits not coming here than playing style? Wow. That article is pretty interesting. It says that the key component of our offense is to have a bunch of guys who are good shooters, good dribblers and good passers all on the floor at once. We haven't had a team like that in years (ever?) We usually don't have more than 2 guys on the whole team who are consistent at shooting 3's and dribbling let alone on the floor at the same time. For years I've been amazed at how often we have guys left open because they are no threat to shoot or even attempt to score. Other teams don't even bother guarding them. Why does our coach keep constructing his teams in a way that runs counter to his core offensive concept?
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lb25
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Post by lb25 on Mar 15, 2017 12:45:26 GMT -5
IMO didnt come because the problems that are on going at Gtown and the fact that the Princeton offense is outdated. No real PG want to come here the offense is not going to showcase their talents
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lb25
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Post by lb25 on Mar 15, 2017 12:47:19 GMT -5
Side note, for the benefit of others this is how I understand Glide's thought process: 1) PGs are very important 2) JT3 has moved past the Princeton Phase and now understands he needs better PG play 3) We were close last year to a good PG (Bracey) and almost had a great one in Waters 4) Fan negativity and all those who don't understand basketball are part of the problem as dumb Casual articles and rebelling fans are derailing JT3's project... Side note: in a different forum I was asked if I know anything about basketball by glide so please feel free to disregard on the basis of his accusation... He seems to be the only one that knows the game of basketball
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 15, 2017 12:50:27 GMT -5
IMO didnt come because the problems that are on going at Gtown and the fact that the Princeton offense is outdated. No real PG want to come here the offense is not going to showcase their talents Again, you're wrong and don't know the game of basketball.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 15, 2017 12:51:11 GMT -5
Side note, for the benefit of others this is how I understand Glide's thought process: 1) PGs are very important 2) JT3 has moved past the Princeton Phase and now understands he needs better PG play 3) We were close last year to a good PG (Bracey) and almost had a great one in Waters 4) Fan negativity and all those who don't understand basketball are part of the problem as dumb Casual articles and rebelling fans are derailing JT3's project... Side note: in a different forum I was asked if I know anything about basketball by glide so please feel free to disregard on the basis of his accusation... He seems to be the only one that knows the game of basketball Seeing deleted I've been seeing for years in here. Yes! LOL!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 15, 2017 12:55:48 GMT -5
If the point of this thread is to argue that you need to have good lead guards to win in college basketball, I think we can all agree on that, no need for debate. Our offense never looked better than with Wallace at the point. But it's not Casualhoya's or Hoyatalk's fault that we haven't had a true PG since Starks graduated. I for one could not believe that JT3 decided to insert DSR at the point a few years ago when he's clearly not a true lead guard. Having DSR off the ball to spot up paired with a penetrating lead guard would have been far more effective. But that's water under the bridge at this juncture. it's Casualhoya's and Hoyasaxa18's fault for having such a negative influence on our recruits to influence the masses who read his work. Don't tell me it's not. Starks was not a true point guard. He was still learning how to be one. Wright the same!!! Wallace was not a true point guard either. He didn't become one until he spent some years overseas. Remember, he dribbled with his head down and would approach the sides of the court where teams are taught to trap. Jeff Green would bail 'Wallace by coming to his buddies rescue and bring the ball up. I do clearly remember. I don't miss a play. lol
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lb25
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Post by lb25 on Mar 15, 2017 12:57:17 GMT -5
If the point of this thread is to argue that you need to have good lead guards to win in college basketball, I think we can all agree on that, no need for debate. Our offense never looked better than with Wallace at the point. But it's not Casualhoya's or Hoyatalk's fault that we haven't had a true PG since Starks graduated. I for one could not believe that JT3 decided to insert DSR at the point a few years ago when he's clearly not a true lead guard. Having DSR off the ball to spot up paired with a penetrating lead guard would have been far more effective. But that's water under the bridge at this juncture. I understand what you are saying but IMO in this Princeton offense a elite PG is not needed to make it run smoothly... I think a good passing big is just as important as the PG
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 15, 2017 12:57:31 GMT -5
This has bothered me ever since I found out we lost this kid smh. Still does now. smh smh smh smh lol... smh!
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Post by tullamore2 on Mar 15, 2017 12:58:43 GMT -5
It's the Princeton offense that scares away quality PG's. What PG would ever want to play in JT3's offense? That's why Georgetown hasn't had any great PG's since JT3 took over.
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lb25
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Post by lb25 on Mar 15, 2017 12:59:08 GMT -5
IMO didnt come because the problems that are on going at Gtown and the fact that the Princeton offense is outdated. No real PG want to come here the offense is not going to showcase their talents Again, you're wrong and don't know the game of basketball. Again point me to the year a top PG ended up at Gtown
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lb25
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Post by lb25 on Mar 15, 2017 13:03:28 GMT -5
It's the Princeton offense that scares away quality PG's. What PG would ever want to play in JT3's offense? That's why Georgetown hasn't had any great PG's since JT3 took over. Thank you no PG since AI has made it to the league
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sweetness
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Post by sweetness on Mar 15, 2017 13:10:18 GMT -5
I agree that I'm sure recruits read everything, but it's still on the coaching staff to get the recruiting job done. And whatever is said or written by Hoyas fans - at times in frustration - is nothing as compared to the negative recruiting that other coaches do.
I also agree that Wallace, Wright, and Starks were not traditional point guards. But any way you define it you need smart guards who can manage the game, make good decisions, distribute, and handle the ball under pressure, particularly at the end of games. We certainly have not had that over the last few years.
Bottom line to me is if this kid Bracey could've helped - and I don't doubt he could have - then it was another recruiting miss.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 15, 2017 13:14:28 GMT -5
I agree that I'm sure recruits read everything, but it's still on the coaching staff to get the recruiting job done. And whatever is said or written by Hoyas fans - at times in frustration - is nothing as compared to the negative recruiting that other coaches do. I also agree that Wallace, Wright, and Starks were not traditional point guards. But any way you define it you need smart guards who can manage the game, make good decisions, distribute, and handle the ball under pressure, particularly at the end of games. We certainly have not had that over the last few years. Bottom line to me is if this kid Bracey could've helped - and I don't doubt he could have - then it was another recruiting miss. yes, it was thanks and partly to blame your's truly CH and Hoyasaxa18!
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Post by vv83 on Mar 15, 2017 14:01:26 GMT -5
Whether it's the Princeton offense or the Georgetown offense, either way it's terrible! And by the way Princeton is in the tourney this year, so I'd rather have the Princeton offense. Tbe funny thing is that Princeton does not even run a "Princeton" offense anymore. I went to their first Ivy tournament game this weekend, and while they ran a few back door cuts, they ran a pretty standard modern offense. Spread the court, attack the lane off the dribble, kick out for open 3s. Also some work inverting their best guard for post up opportunities. But none of the classic princeton stuff with the center up above the foul line, running the offense. They did not look any different than any other team trying to use dribbble penetration to get either layups/fouls in the lane or open 3s.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 15, 2017 14:03:55 GMT -5
If the point of this thread is to argue that you need to have good lead guards to win in college basketball, I think we can all agree on that, no need for debate. Our offense never looked better than with Wallace at the point. But it's not Casualhoya's or Hoyatalk's fault that we haven't had a true PG since Starks graduated. I for one could not believe that JT3 decided to insert DSR at the point a few years ago when he's clearly not a true lead guard. Having DSR off the ball to spot up paired with a penetrating lead guard would have been far more effective. But that's water under the bridge at this juncture. I understand what you are saying but IMO in this Princeton offense a elite PG is not needed to make it run smoothly... I think a good passing big is just as important as the PG A floor general is needed to control and to make any offense run smoothly. SMFH! Yes, a passing big is nice, BUT he/she is not the floor general. Do people read anymore or just guess? www.coachesclipboard.net/PointGuard.html
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 15, 2017 14:06:25 GMT -5
Who changed my title of this post? White people trying to protect white people?
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lb25
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Post by lb25 on Mar 15, 2017 14:08:26 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying but IMO in this Princeton offense a elite PG is not needed to make it run smoothly... I think a good passing big is just as important as the PG A floor general is needed to control and to make any offense run smoothly. SMFH! Yes, a passing big is nice, BUT he/she is not the floor general. Do people read anymore or just guess? www.coachesclipboard.net/PointGuard.htmlIMO This offense does not require that type of PG.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 15, 2017 14:09:28 GMT -5
A floor general is needed to control and to make any offense run smoothly. SMFH! Yes, a passing big is nice, BUT he/she is not the floor general. Do people read anymore or just guess? www.coachesclipboard.net/PointGuard.htmlIMO This offense does not require that type of PG. for the tenth time jack ass any offense NEEDS a floor general. Know the game fool!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 15, 2017 14:09:55 GMT -5
IMO This offense does not require that type of PG. for the tenth time jack ass any offense NEEDS a floor general. Know the game fool! Leave those alternative facts alone.
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