eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 1, 2017 22:54:57 GMT -5
Again, I would give him through 2020. So you think we should give him to 2020?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 1, 2017 22:56:36 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 1, 2017 23:00:27 GMT -5
Would they still open the concessions in Verizon or would they just say bring your own coolers of food and beverage as it's cheaper than paying these people to serve the few hundred that would still be showing up?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 1, 2017 23:03:36 GMT -5
Well, I expect the program to turn around by then, but I will be there as often as possible and paying my own way in any event.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 1, 2017 23:16:39 GMT -5
Again, I would give him through 2020. The $9 Million Dollar Experiment.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 1, 2017 23:18:05 GMT -5
He just doesn't seem like the coach that kids go to battle for. That said, if he significantly ups his recruiting game, the rest will take care of itself. I love Waters and Walker, but we need a lot more pieces.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 1, 2017 23:19:30 GMT -5
We need Peak back and IMHO one other addition for next year. Grad transfer, traditional recruit, someone who can provide some additional strong minutes.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 1, 2017 23:22:03 GMT -5
He's been on borrowed time since 2013 after so many March failures that anything longer to get this right is just wrong.
Somehow by avoiding the tournaments these last three of four years he's changed the narrative to survive longer.
Time to breath some life into this program with some new blood and leadership.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 2, 2017 0:01:27 GMT -5
Do you really have the confidence that JT3 can get the program back to the top of the conference? I just don't see it happening. Now, I am not sure the next guy can accomplish it, but I am willing to take the risk at this point. Recruiting, motivating, developing, in-game coaching- what is he good at? I think his body of work says that he is very good at all of the above. To say "the last two years have been bad" is no more persuasive to me than saying "2007 and 2013 were really good." I cannot and will not write off anything he has done- including his work at Princeton. To me, the whole of it says that he is a fine coach. We know he is one of the few people with the academic and personal characteristics unique for this job. To me, retaining him is the obvious choice. The risks of a new and unknown coach far outweigh the risks of keeping him. All of us can evaluate those risks differently, and reasonable minds can differ, but the attacks on III are crazy and unwarranted. Crazy talk. You are willfully ignoring what you're seeing from our players. JT3 sucks as a motivator and developer of talent. Recruiter? You'll debate he didn't have the facilities. Personal characteristics unique for the job? Nonsense. What are those? But, to play along, just like JT2 recognized it was time to leave, JT3 should understand that too.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 2, 2017 0:12:14 GMT -5
You are willfully ignoring what you're seeing from our players. JT3 sucks as a motivator and developer of talent. Recruiter? You'll debate he didn't have the facilities. Personal characteristics unique for the job? Nonsense. What are those? But, to play along, just like JT2 recognized it was time to leave, JT3 should understand that too. I think there's a case to be made against JT3 but I don't think speculative comments like he "sucks as a motivator" make that case since it's really just speculation. I agree that recruiting has been a problem. But, JT3 has recruited well in the past. I mean the class of 2015 was a well recruited class, it just didn't pan out. As far as a developer of talent, my lengthy post on that elsewhere demonstrates people have developed with JT3 as coach. Have the last two seasons been worse than average? Yes. If he stays coach and it doesn't improve then at some point the change needs to be made. I just think he gets another year. After I posted this initially I realized it has nothing to do with Villanova. Sorry for being off topic.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 2, 2017 0:23:25 GMT -5
You are willfully ignoring what you're seeing from our players. JT3 sucks as a motivator and developer of talent. Recruiter? You'll debate he didn't have the facilities. Personal characteristics unique for the job? Nonsense. What are those? But, to play along, just like JT2 recognized it was time to leave, JT3 should understand that too. I think there's a case to be made against JT3 but I don't think speculative comments like he "sucks as a motivator" make that case since it's really just speculation. More like observation, not speculation.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 2, 2017 0:29:24 GMT -5
I think there's a case to be made against JT3 but I don't think speculative comments like he "sucks as a motivator" make that case since it's really just speculation. More like observation, not speculation. Right. An opinion.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 2, 2017 1:39:37 GMT -5
More like observation, not speculation. Right. An opinion. It may be an opinion, but that sentiment is shared by 99% of the fans/college bball analysts. I mean hell, thats like someone saying Hitler was crazy and another person responding to that as thats your speculation/opinion.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 2, 2017 1:44:25 GMT -5
You are willfully ignoring what you're seeing from our players. JT3 sucks as a motivator and developer of talent. Recruiter? You'll debate he didn't have the facilities. Personal characteristics unique for the job? Nonsense. What are those? But, to play along, just like JT2 recognized it was time to leave, JT3 should understand that too. I think there's a case to be made against JT3 but I don't think speculative comments like he "sucks as a motivator" make that case since it's really just speculation. I agree that recruiting has been a problem. But, JT3 has recruited well in the past. I mean the class of 2015 was a well recruited class, it just didn't pan out. Who are we to blame for this? The 19-20 years old student athletes who were lured by the coaching staff to join the program? If you are the man responsible for making the plays and developing the players, then you recruit players to fit your plays - simple as that. This is the same thing as hiring someone who studied politics as harvard as a software engineer for google, only to see them fail at that job As Jay Bilas and others have mentioned here, he just needed to recruit players with high bball IQ - jeff green, otto porter, jonathan wallace. trying to recruit someone like Kyle Anderson, whom we recruited really hard but lost the battle, was the right direction. I dont think JT3 knows what kinda players he needs for his plays, and that is ironic when he saw what he could accomplish with players like green starting in his 2nd year here.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 2, 2017 1:57:22 GMT -5
It may be an opinion, but that sentiment is shared by 99% of the fans/college bball analysts. I mean hell, thats like someone saying Hitler was crazy and another person responding to that as thats your speculation/opinion. You've jumped the shark with this one. Your analogy is ridiculous.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 2, 2017 2:28:32 GMT -5
It may be an opinion, but that sentiment is shared by 99% of the fans/college bball analysts. I mean hell, thats like someone saying Hitler was crazy and another person responding to that as thats your speculation/opinion. You've jumped the shark with this one. Your analogy is ridiculous. Had to pull something extreme for you to understand what your saying sounds so ridiculous
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 2, 2017 9:41:17 GMT -5
You've jumped the shark with this one. Your analogy is ridiculous. Had to pull something extreme for you to understand what your saying sounds so ridiculous I'm ridiculous but you're the one using a Hitler analogy. Okay then.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 2, 2017 12:10:09 GMT -5
Even the game threads devolve into petty personal squabbles these days. Forget about the program, the culture around here is pretty toxic itself.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 2, 2017 12:16:12 GMT -5
Perhaps a separate "Petty personal squabbles" thread? Or even sub-board?
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 2, 2017 12:19:24 GMT -5
Perhaps a separate "Petty personal squabbles" thread? Or even sub-board? There wouldn't be much content left on this board then
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