drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Feb 4, 2017 20:56:46 GMT -5
Look, Peak and Pryor are really small forwards not guards. If we had two real guards this team would be dangerous but WE DON'T! You can't watch any ranked team play and not be reminded of how bad our guard play is. There have been moments this year when I thought maybe Mosley or Mulmore (forget Tre) were going to step up. Mulmore made that nice drive to the hoop in the last 18 seconds of the DePaul game and Mosley made a nice drive to the hoop at the beginning of today's game. But that was about it. And neither can hit a three with any consistency and neither can dish on the drive. So it is what it is. Last year we upset Xavier at Xavier when Tre hit 4 or 5 threes. Maybe we can get lucky again against Nova (but I doubt it).
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 4, 2017 23:46:16 GMT -5
Look, Peak and Pryor are really small forwards not guards. If we had two real guards this team would be dangerous but WE DON'T! You can't watch any ranked team play and not be reminded of how bad our guard play is. There have been moments this year when I thought maybe Mosley or Mulmore (forget Tre) were going to step up. Mulmore made that nice drive to the hoop in the last 18 seconds of the DePaul game and Mosley made a nice drive to the hoop at the beginning of today's game. But that was about it. And neither can hit a three with any consistency and neither can dish on the drive. So it is what it is. Last year we upset Xavier at Xavier when Tre hit 4 or 5 threes. Maybe we can get lucky again against Nova (but I doubt it). Consistently inconsistent guard play, center play and coaching... there is no way to count on the same player being consistent from one game to the other... heck, we cannot count on JT3 using a player who played 25 minutes play that same amount the next game; no, instead that player played 3 minutes the next game.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Feb 5, 2017 9:20:27 GMT -5
Look, Peak and Pryor are really small forwards not guards. If we had two real guards this team would be dangerous but WE DON'T! You can't watch any ranked team play and not be reminded of how bad our guard play is. There have been moments this year when I thought maybe Mosley or Mulmore (forget Tre) were going to step up. Mulmore made that nice drive to the hoop in the last 18 seconds of the DePaul game and Mosley made a nice drive to the hoop at the beginning of today's game. But that was about it. And neither can hit a three with any consistency and neither can dish on the drive. So it is what it is. Last year we upset Xavier at Xavier when Tre hit 4 or 5 threes. Maybe we can get lucky again against Nova (but I doubt it). I'll take issue with your take on Mosely. During the 1st half for an extended period of time I witnessed something i had not seen by a Hoya team in quite a while. Rebounds by Akoy and Derrickson, a legitimate outlet to Mosely, and an attacking push of the ball for a couple of easy layups and some secondary break scores and open shots. When he was subbed somewhere around the last 5 mins of the half it suddenly vanished and never returned in the second half. I think he also had about 7 pts in the 1st half and clearly ran the offense as much as a guard can in the system. I thought he should have started the Vesper half but never got on the floor until around the 14 min mark.
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hoopsmccan
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Post by hoopsmccan on Feb 5, 2017 9:23:21 GMT -5
Look, Peak and Pryor are really small forwards not guards. If we had two real guards this team would be dangerous but WE DON'T! You can't watch any ranked team play and not be reminded of how bad our guard play is. There have been moments this year when I thought maybe Mosley or Mulmore (forget Tre) were going to step up. Mulmore made that nice drive to the hoop in the last 18 seconds of the DePaul game and Mosley made a nice drive to the hoop at the beginning of today's game. But that was about it. And neither can hit a three with any consistency and neither can dish on the drive. So it is what it is. Last year we upset Xavier at Xavier when Tre hit 4 or 5 threes. Maybe we can get lucky again against Nova (but I doubt it). Consistently inconsistent guard play, center play and coaching... there is no way to count on the same player being consistent from one game to the other... heck, we cannot count on JT3 using a player who played 25 minutes play that same amount the next game; no, instead that player played 3 minutes the next game. When you play ty defense, you'll be inconsistent. There will be games where we are hot and/or the other team is cold and you'll get an odd win. And you'll have games against fellow crap teams like SH, Ark St, etc. where the opposite happens, and we lose. It is sickening to watch, again. hm
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 5, 2017 10:25:39 GMT -5
hoops, we held them to 68 in an OT game, and to only 35% shooting. Our defense was actually pretty good. We even lost the rebounding battle by only 4 even with Delgado.
We have lost plenty of games on defense. We lost this one on offense. We have too many guys who can't produce on that end, so when our few scorers shoot poorly we can lose to anyone.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 5, 2017 14:34:41 GMT -5
Delgado shooing 80% from the line helped too. Usually it's a smart strategy to foul a 50% free throw shooter. But when he shoots 80% all it does is foul out Akoy who was critical to have out thetr in this game.
It's like if Shaq shots 80% from the line the Lakers will likely win.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Feb 5, 2017 14:45:01 GMT -5
Delgado shooing 80% from the line helped too. Usually it's a smart strategy to foul a 50% free throw shooter. But when he shoots 80% all it does is foul out Akoy who was critical to have out thetr in this game. It's like if Shaq shots 80% from the line the Lakers will likely win. And, Carrington seemed to get his slump behind him. We had a Seton Hall team that had addressed some of the weaknesses that had previously been holding them back. But, this still counts as a game that the Hoyas lost, rather than one where they got beat. It still came down to shooting 1-19 from 3.
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Post by jld54 on Feb 5, 2017 15:07:14 GMT -5
Look, Peak and Pryor are really small forwards not guards. If we had two real guards this team would be dangerous but WE DON'T! You can't watch any ranked team play and not be reminded of how bad our guard play is. There have been moments this year when I thought maybe Mosley or Mulmore (forget Tre) were going to step up. Mulmore made that nice drive to the hoop in the last 18 seconds of the DePaul game and Mosley made a nice drive to the hoop at the beginning of today's game. But that was about it. And neither can hit a three with any consistency and neither can dish on the drive. So it is what it is. Last year we upset Xavier at Xavier when Tre hit 4 or 5 threes. Maybe we can get lucky again against Nova (but I doubt it). I agree 100%. On a team with good guards, down the stretch the ball would have been in the hands of the PG, with Pryor on the wing and LJ in a position to shoot or slash depending upon how the defense reacted to the PG. That is a basic basketball at any level. Until we get some top guards in the program -- not wings, swingmen, etc. with primary responsibility to create, we are going nowhere. A guy like Waters is a step in the right direction but we need way more than him. He is a very good player but a frosh and just one guy. We have recruited only 3 true guards out of HS in 5 years -- DSR, Tre, and Mosely. All three are matching their expectations, but three in 5 years is beyond comprehension. I think that JT3 the coach actually does a decent job with the horribly constructed rosters that JT3 the GM gives him. Sad!
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 5, 2017 15:29:43 GMT -5
Look, Peak and Pryor are really small forwards not guards. If we had two real guards this team would be dangerous but WE DON'T! You can't watch any ranked team play and not be reminded of how bad our guard play is. There have been moments this year when I thought maybe Mosley or Mulmore (forget Tre) were going to step up. Mulmore made that nice drive to the hoop in the last 18 seconds of the DePaul game and Mosley made a nice drive to the hoop at the beginning of today's game. But that was about it. And neither can hit a three with any consistency and neither can dish on the drive. So it is what it is. Last year we upset Xavier at Xavier when Tre hit 4 or 5 threes. Maybe we can get lucky again against Nova (but I doubt it). I agree 100%. On a team with good guards, down the stretch the ball would have been in the hands of the PG, with Pryor on the wing and LJ in a position to shoot or slash depending upon how the defense reacted to the PG. That is a basic basketball at any level. Until we get some top guards in the program -- not wings, swingmen, etc. with primary responsibility to create, we are going nowhere. A guy like Waters is a step in the right direction but we need way more than him. He is a very good player but a frosh and just one guy. We have recruited only 3 true guards out of HS in 5 years -- DSR, Tre, and Mosely. All three are matching their expectations, but three in 5 years is beyond comprehension. I think that JT3 the coach actually does a decent job with the horribly constructed rosters that JT3 the GM gives him. Sad! Campbell was the mistake. There was a natural progression from Jessie Sapp to Chris Wright to Markel Starks to DSR. Always someone waiting In the wings who could also be a second point guard. With a Jason Clark throw in. Campbell was a complete miss and can't even beat out a freshma and juco in his junior year. And in such a close game Campbell still manages to make a ridiculous bonehead turnover in his 3 minutes.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Feb 5, 2017 17:10:34 GMT -5
hoops, we held them to 68 in an OT game, and to only 35% shooting. Our defense was actually pretty good. We even lost the rebounding battle by only 4 even with Delgado. We have lost plenty of games on defense. We lost this one on offense. We have too many guys who can't produce on that end, so when our few scorers shoot poorly we can lose to anyone. Yep. We adjusted pretty nicely to Delgado in the second half. Granted, it seems like this team can never get stops, but this game was lost on the offensive end by monumental, almost legendary, horrible shooting, and the failure to adapt to that horrible shooting. You know, it's always something with this team. Which leads to the inevitable conclusion that something has to give and change is in order... I made it down for my first game. Student turnout is embarrassing, but credit should be give to the students who did attend. They did a great job supporting the team. The crowd was pretty sparse, and it was pretty depressing seeing how funereal it was there for most of the game. But it did get relatively loud and enthusiastic towards the end.
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95hoya
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Post by 95hoya on Feb 5, 2017 17:16:07 GMT -5
Literally every team we play has better guards. It's such a handicap.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 6, 2017 20:22:36 GMT -5
1-19.
It's too bad that Pryor made that one. I wonder what the record is for most threes taken in a game without making any?
This is just an astounding level of ineptitude.
And we missed too many free throws. While Delgado (who is a legitimate load), a 50% shooter, makes 12-15. And we still lost by two in OT. So just add this game to the ever-growing list - Games We Should Have Won, but Didn't.
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