Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 16:05:21 GMT -5
Mourning & Mutombo Mosley & Mulmore M & M can make our season sweeter (c'mon, somebody had to say it!). Better than mine. I was gonna say "name 4 bad three point shooters".
|
|
drquigley
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,386
|
Post by drquigley on Jan 10, 2017 16:22:52 GMT -5
Someone, I think it was me, said in other threads that a good point guard will make the whole team better - even defensively. We have seen the last two games how much better we have become as Mosley has picked up his game. So yes, guard play is coming around and maybe just in time to make a disastrous season just mediocre.
|
|
|
Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 10, 2017 16:47:54 GMT -5
M & M can make our season sweeter (c'mon, somebody had to say it!). Better than mine. I was gonna say "name 4 bad three point shooters". Would have been a good one. Except Mulmore is shooting 38.5% from 3. Better than LJ (*ducks and runs*).
|
|
seaweed
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,670
|
Post by seaweed on Jan 10, 2017 16:53:16 GMT -5
We have two problem on defense. All of our perimeter plays (sans Mosely) let their guy by them way too often and we offer zero rim protection from our big guys. I think every team we've played has put Govan and Hayes in pick and roll situations successfully. are we missing the fact that we matched the leading shot blocking team in the league block for block last night?
|
|
|
Post by HometownHoya on Jan 10, 2017 18:06:56 GMT -5
We have two problem on defense. All of our perimeter plays (sans Mosely) let their guy by them way too often and we offer zero rim protection from our big guys. I think every team we've played has put Govan and Hayes in pick and roll situations successfully. are we missing the fact that we matched the leading shot blocking team in the league block for block last night? Well we are the second best blocking team in the league so your point stands for more then just last night!
|
|
dense
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 5,014
|
Post by dense on Jan 10, 2017 20:05:20 GMT -5
Govan is a worse defender than Hayes. Hayes at least makes himself big and forces them to finish over. Thats why Hayes season +/- is so good. there are ways to combat the pick and roll problem. hayes should auto switch every situation not hedge and recover if the big can shoot Good Lord no! One of our biggest problems on defense stems from giving the opponent 2 automatic mismatches every time they screen up high. We have to work much harder on beating or fighting through the screen to avoid that as much as possible. Both of our bigs have some significant deficiencies. Until and unless that changes, we should keep doing what we do - the minutes are dependent on matchups as well as who is playing well in a particular game or even half. On a PnR situation you cant fight thru the screen like that. You have 2. options only. Hedge and recover back to the screener or switch. If the big can shoot and you have a plodding big guy just better to switch then have him trying close out a big who can shoot and if he is coordinated enough and pump and just go by. Hedging and recovering is great if the guy is not a threat but most good shooting bigs will relocate in a manner that there is no way to get back.
|
|
|
Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 10, 2017 20:43:47 GMT -5
Of course you can try to beat the screen. It won't work every time, but just conceding is gonna create mismatch after mismatch - we end up with guards on bigs and bigs on guards 15 times a game!
|
|
prhoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 23,358
|
Post by prhoya on Jan 11, 2017 0:22:47 GMT -5
are we missing the fact that we matched the leading shot blocking team in the league block for block last night? Well we are the second best blocking team in the league so your point stands for more then just last night! I hate when facts kill narrative.
|
|
|
Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 11, 2017 8:51:59 GMT -5
I hear you and agree with most of what you've said, but I don't agree with the shaky ball handling. He handles the rock pretty good and makes good decisions. I might have overstated the handle issue, but I worry about his high dribble and what looks like a fair bit of (so far uncalled) palming. Either way, he is definitely settling in and adjusting to playing in the hardest conference in the country after a couple of years playing much lesser comp. Absolutely, his dribble is too high. I've mentioned to dribble lower. Hoya Saxa!
|
|
|
Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 11, 2017 9:19:54 GMT -5
|
|
wolveribe
Bulldog (over 250 posts)
Posts: 376
|
Post by wolveribe on Jan 11, 2017 9:42:55 GMT -5
We have two problem on defense. All of our perimeter plays (sans Mosely) let their guy by them way too often and we offer zero rim protection from our big guys. I think every team we've played has put Govan and Hayes in pick and roll situations successfully. are we missing the fact that we matched the leading shot blocking team in the league block for block last night? You know, 99% of the time I check back on stats before I make a comment. You are completely correct, we are much better at rim protection than I realized. That is an instance of my eyes not matching the stats.
|
|
seaweed
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,670
|
Post by seaweed on Jan 11, 2017 10:25:00 GMT -5
are we missing the fact that we matched the leading shot blocking team in the league block for block last night? You know, 99% of the time I check back on stats before I make a comment. You are completely correct, we are much better at rim protection than I realized. That is an instance of my eyes not matching the stats. And that is a rare instance of someone taking responsibility for what they say around here... congratulations, you will today's "Honesty in Webposting Award" available daily but only occasionally earned.
|
|
|
Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 11, 2017 10:45:18 GMT -5
Guards are improving, and all of them will be back next years to play with Waters.
|
|
BigmanU
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 915
|
Post by BigmanU on Jan 11, 2017 11:07:38 GMT -5
At this point Campbell's primary role should be backing up the 2 spot.
Mulmore $ Mosley should monopolize the lead guard spot. Both are finding their groove with the increased PT. Campbell unfortunately should be the odd man out when he returns. His main positive trait is his streaky shooting, so his roll really won't change much except not burdening the lead guard responsibilities.
|
|
hoyainspirit
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
When life puts that voodoo on me, music is my gris-gris.
Posts: 8,394
|
Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 11, 2017 13:02:28 GMT -5
Okay - I was just responding to your assertion that he is useless, which was wholly inaccurate. Jessie is the softest big I've ever seen in the paint, it is what it is....Jessie's offense isn't a plus until he's at least average on the defensive end, but after 1.5 years we are not close to that point yet. And FWIW, just because Jessie has a jumper doesn't make him a threat from anywhere on the court. He's too weak to score in the paint consistently, thoug I will admit he usually has the right idea. You just can't ask him or expect him to execute in the post like a person of his stature should be able to. IMO, he's better inside than you give him credit for, but he's soft as Charmin. So is Hayes. It appears that's just Jessie's style, and I'm not sure we will ever see anything different. IMO he's definitely a plus player whose defense against other bigs needs to improve.
|
|
hoyainspirit
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
When life puts that voodoo on me, music is my gris-gris.
Posts: 8,394
|
Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 11, 2017 13:06:23 GMT -5
Better than mine. I was gonna say "name 4 bad three point shooters". Would have been a good one. Except Mulmore is shooting 38.5% from 3. Better than LJ (*ducks and runs*). On 13 shots. He's definitely shooting it better overall than earlier in the year. Kid is making the adjustment to this level.
|
|
|
Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 11, 2017 14:18:03 GMT -5
Still a work in progress, and needs space to get off the 3. I don't really want to see him start firing from the outside frequently - just with enough success to make the D cover him outside, to open up his moves to the rim.
|
|
bostonfan
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 2,509
|
Post by bostonfan on Jan 11, 2017 15:08:33 GMT -5
If Jagan and Jon can continue their improved play it helps all their teammates. This years team needs to find ways to score in transition to be really effective and that usually starts with good guard play. LJ and Rodney have helped them this year be somewhat effective in the half court but that becomes so difficult during Big East play because Georgetown is just too easy to scout because their offensive sets are so predictable. You can pretty much see some of the turnovers before they actually occur because they make the same mistakes on the same sets every game, and have for years now. The other Big East teams scout them well and know what they are trying to run, make the appropriate defensive adjustments and make scoring consistently in the half court an issue. Hopefully these two point guards can improve the pace of the game and create some easier shots in transition.
|
|
hoyas315
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,102
|
Post by hoyas315 on Jan 11, 2017 16:00:17 GMT -5
|
|
prhoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 23,358
|
Post by prhoya on Jan 11, 2017 17:31:11 GMT -5
Tide will complete turn when Hayes gets back to converting in close like last year, if we can get that, we can string some wins together. Unless Hayes can get the baby hook to go in, he's really useless on the floor and should not play. He showed that at the beginning of last night. Govan is clearly a better player, and I think you could easily argue in favor of Govan and Agau taking nearly all of Hayes minutes, especially given that he's also slow on defense rotations. If you remember correctly, Bradley missed his hooks at the beginning, but had baskets throughout the game and none of them were hooks. It was a dunk, a catch-&-lay-in (after a great, fast transition and a full-court outlet pass from Peak) and the jumper (plus the 2 FTs). He played 12 minutes vs. Govan's 25, and Bradley had more points and rebounds than Jessie. I understand your frustration with how Bradley's playing, but the fact is Govan is still very inconsistent on both ends. We're lucky to have alternatives as experienced as Bradley. On Monday, Bradley started with a baby hook from the left side (parallel to the baseline) for a miss. It's a terrible, difficult shot, but he keeps shooting it. Later on Govan also shot it from the other side and missed. Versus Butler, their #45 backed up Bradley and instead of going for the baby hook from that spot, he smartly used the glass for a great shot and make. Why do Bradley and Jessie not take advantage of a similar shot, which should be pretty easy for players of their height, is a mystery.
|
|