GUJook97
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 5,445
|
Post by GUJook97 on Jan 6, 2017 10:28:38 GMT -5
Understood. But, I dont think we are at the point of last year yet. I thought we played pretty well against Xavier. I think we can beat Butler. The sad part is that if we had played as well against either Provy or Marquette as we did against X, we probably win both (or at least one). But the "the schedule is hard" point is a fair one. I believe KenPom, even after these three games (and a projected loss to Butler on Saturday), has us at 8-10. 8-10 ain't exactly something to aspire to! But it does mean that we've had tough ones to start and are expected to go 8-6 to close. If we win this game, we buy ourselves some more time, IMO. SJU, UConn and Providence at home, doesnt look so bad. We can be 2-3 as early as Monday night, and that's a huge boost. If we lose, I think we are done. Wouldnt be surpised if SJU's beats us.
|
|
drquigley
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,385
|
Post by drquigley on Jan 6, 2017 10:56:43 GMT -5
We let the 141st best offense in the country score 1.15 points per possession on us. Xavier and Marquetee are much better offenses, but they still scored more than 1.1 points per possession on us. We've played atrocious defense in conference. A point guard isn't going to fix that. Yeah, people are going to be sadly disappointed if they think a missing PG is the reason we've not put things together the past 5 years. I really think we are underestimating the value of a good point guard. Sure he helps us offensively but as a leader on the court he also can make sure his teammates measure up defensively. DSR did that for us the last few years. I can also recall guys like Wallace and Starks helping to direct teammates defensively. Sure I'd love to have Hibbert and even Hopkins out there but when you look at this team you can't help but notice how leaderless they are and how that impacts all aspects of their game.
|
|
drquigley
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,385
|
Post by drquigley on Jan 6, 2017 11:02:43 GMT -5
Be at the game tomorrow. Second game of my 5 game weekend mini-plan. So far I am 1-0 (Elon). I think if we can pull this game out I could go into my final game against Nova 4-0 (have tickets for UCONN and Marquette). Since last year I was 2-3 this will be a big improvement and make my trip down and back from Pa. more enjoyable.
|
|
hoyarad
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 521
|
Post by hoyarad on Jan 6, 2017 11:05:56 GMT -5
The sad part is that if we had played as well against either Provy or Marquette as we did against X, we probably win both (or at least one). But the "the schedule is hard" point is a fair one. I believe KenPom, even after these three games (and a projected loss to Butler on Saturday), has us at 8-10. 8-10 ain't exactly something to aspire to! But it does mean that we've had tough ones to start and are expected to go 8-6 to close. If we win this game, we buy ourselves some more time, IMO. SJU, UConn and Providence at home, doesnt look so bad. We can be 2-3 as early as Monday night, and that's a huge boost. If we lose, I think we are done. Wouldnt be surpised if SJU's beats us. I'm getting tired of making projections and then being disappointed when it fails to happen. I HOPE they will win but all bets are off when it comes to this team. It wasn't always like that - I knew that JT3 would have a gameplan for an upcoming team that he knew his team could run. I also knew that after a loss the Hoyas would follow up with a spirited win with maximum effort. That's not happening anymore.
|
|
|
Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 6, 2017 11:28:15 GMT -5
If we win this game, we buy ourselves some more time, IMO. SJU, UConn and Providence at home, doesnt look so bad. We can be 2-3 as early as Monday night, and that's a huge boost. If we lose, I think we are done. Wouldnt be surpised if SJU's beats us. I'm getting tired of making projections and then being disappointed when it fails to happen. I HOPE they will win but all bets are off when it comes to this team. It wasn't always like that - I knew that JT3 would have a gameplan for an upcoming team that he knew his team could run. I also knew that after a loss the Hoyas would follow up with a spirited win with maximum effort. That's not happening anymore. I want to disagree with you - but I can't. At this point I have hopes from game to game, but no expectations.
|
|
GUJook97
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 5,445
|
Post by GUJook97 on Jan 6, 2017 15:55:06 GMT -5
If we win this game, we buy ourselves some more time, IMO. SJU, UConn and Providence at home, doesnt look so bad. We can be 2-3 as early as Monday night, and that's a huge boost. If we lose, I think we are done. Wouldnt be surpised if SJU's beats us. I'm getting tired of making projections and then being disappointed when it fails to happen. I HOPE they will win but all bets are off when it comes to this team. It wasn't always like that - I knew that JT3 would have a gameplan for an upcoming team that he knew his team could run. I also knew that after a loss the Hoyas would follow up with a spirited win with maximum effort. That's not happening anymore. Making ridiculous predictions is what message boards are all about! But, yes, it's hard to know where this team will be from week to week. I do feel pretty confident that if you start 0-4 in the BE, you aint going to the tournament. Im guessing that has never happened in BE history. But, I will eat crow if I am wrong.
|
|
Elvado
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,080
|
Post by Elvado on Jan 6, 2017 16:59:13 GMT -5
So if you had to bet your house on a one or the other proposition, would you take Hoyas win 8 games in BE or Hoyas win 0?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 17:35:37 GMT -5
The Hoyas scored eight points in the first 10 minutes of the Providence game. Need to ratchet that number up a bit against Butler.
|
|
|
Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 6, 2017 17:55:25 GMT -5
So if you had to bet your house on a one or the other proposition, would you take Hoyas win 8 games in BE or Hoyas win 0? 8-7 vs. 0-15? Gotta go with the 8-7. But neither one seems very likely right now.
|
|
hoyarad
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 521
|
Post by hoyarad on Jan 6, 2017 18:45:02 GMT -5
I'm getting tired of making projections and then being disappointed when it fails to happen. I HOPE they will win but all bets are off when it comes to this team. It wasn't always like that - I knew that JT3 would have a gameplan for an upcoming team that he knew his team could run. I also knew that after a loss the Hoyas would follow up with a spirited win with maximum effort. That's not happening anymore. Making ridiculous predictions is what message boards are all about! But, yes, it's hard to know where this team will be from week to week. I do feel pretty confident that if you start 0-4 in the BE, you aint going to the tournament. Im guessing that has never happened in BE history. But, I will eat crow if I am wrong. I know just not as much fun when I think we are going to lose....
|
|
hoyapac
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 188
|
Post by hoyapac on Jan 6, 2017 19:02:23 GMT -5
Not to make matters any worse.. but I'm fairly certain we're doing the pink uniforms and shoes tomorrow...
|
|
|
Post by HometownHoya on Jan 6, 2017 19:18:50 GMT -5
Not to make matters any worse.. but I'm fairly certain we're doing the pink uniforms and shoes tomorrow... Hell, as long as we can win in em, make them our permanent jersey.
|
|
DanMcQ
Moderator
Posts: 30,588
Member is Online
|
Post by DanMcQ on Jan 6, 2017 20:03:15 GMT -5
Not sure they've ever done pink unis, just shoes, but even that would be better than white. And yes, it's coaches against cancer day tomorrow, per the release linked in the articles thread. http://instagram.com/p/BO8LFRTjIS2
|
|
DanMcQ
Moderator
Posts: 30,588
Member is Online
|
Post by DanMcQ on Jan 7, 2017 0:04:10 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 7, 2017 0:14:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the update. I hate that for Tre. Good opportunity for Mulmore and Mosely.
|
|
eagle54
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,471
|
Post by eagle54 on Jan 7, 2017 0:43:00 GMT -5
Thanks for the update. I hate that for Tre. Good opportunity for Mulmore and Mosely. I just watched the III clip. I think we are done. It's clear he doesn't know what to do and that's scary. The cloud above his head is just saying how long can I keep collecting the $3m before they figure out I have no business being here. It's as if we are in an alternate reality since FGCU when that was the loss that should have been the end of this staff. Since then, III continues along with no real passion and looks as if nothing makes sense. We are way past rational behavior as a program and it's showing but can't fix it unless we get some leadership from the top to take control. Not sure that will ever come.
|
|
|
Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 7, 2017 1:28:20 GMT -5
It's as if we are in an alternate reality since FGCU when that was the loss that should have been the end of this staff. Since then, III continues along with no real passion and looks as if nothing makes sense. We are way past rational behavior as a program and it's showing but can't fix it unless we get some leadership from the top to take control. Not sure that will ever come. You realize we won the Big East that year and entered the NCAA tournament as a 2 seed? It was a horrible loss, but if you're going to fire a staff after winning the Big East (and that was the old Big East), that's a pretty high standard.
|
|
eagle54
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,471
|
Post by eagle54 on Jan 7, 2017 1:33:04 GMT -5
It's as if we are in an alternate reality since FGCU when that was the loss that should have been the end of this staff. Since then, III continues along with no real passion and looks as if nothing makes sense. We are way past rational behavior as a program and it's showing but can't fix it unless we get some leadership from the top to take control. Not sure that will ever come. You realize we won the Big East that year and entered the NCAA tournament as a 2 seed? It was a horrible loss, but if you're going to fire a staff after winning the Big East (and that was the old Big East), that's a pretty high standard. The biggest failure season of this program. That is after 08, 09, 10, 11 and 12. That was time to know some coaches can't win when the light's are brightest. But now we'd beg for those seasons. Do you see the downward spiral or want to live in that cocoon?
|
|
|
Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 7, 2017 1:36:02 GMT -5
You realize we won the Big East that year and entered the NCAA tournament as a 2 seed? It was a horrible loss, but if you're going to fire a staff after winning the Big East (and that was the old Big East), that's a pretty high standard. The biggest failure season of this program. That is after 08, 09, 10, 11 and 12. That was time to know some coaches can't win when the light's are brightest. But now we'd beg for those seasons. Do you see the downward spiral or want to live in that cocoon? So you consider 2013 a bigger failure than 2009, 2014, or 2016, when we didn't make the tournament? Obviously, we have not been trending upward recently, but we won an NCAA game and were a 4 seed two years ago, so to try to argue that it's all bad is simply wrong.
|
|
eagle54
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,471
|
Post by eagle54 on Jan 7, 2017 1:40:51 GMT -5
The biggest failure season of this program. That is after 08, 09, 10, 11 and 12. That was time to know some coaches can't win when the light's are brightest. But now we'd beg for those seasons. Do you see the downward spiral or want to live in that cocoon? So you consider 2013 a bigger failure than 2009, 2014, or 2016, when we didn't make the tournament? Obviously, we have not been trending upward recently, but we won an NCAA game and were a 4 seed two years ago, so to try to argue that it's all bad is simply wrong. I consider 2013 as the point we should have moved in a new direction as a program because it was obvious we had a coach who was overmatched against lesser talent. And that was after many years of the same story. By continuing this charade we are where we are which is an embarrassment to a new league that we should be owning against a field of mid majors (Nova as the exception). Good news, we create miracles for others:
|
|