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Post by dense on Jan 2, 2017 13:12:48 GMT -5
I just think they think Graham is gonna make Isaac go there.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Jan 2, 2017 13:24:28 GMT -5
I find this rather odd that no one else has mentioned this or even cared. So I'll ask the question, how did he injure himself and shouldn't this be the topic of discussion not the where, what if's or will he return to promise?
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Post by tashoya on Jan 2, 2017 13:28:24 GMT -5
I find this rather odd that no one else has mentioned this or even cared. So I'll ask the question, how did he injure himself and shouldn't this be the topic of discussion not the where, what if's or will he return to promise? It wasn't widely reported (I think Rothstein reported it first) and I haven't seen any outlet reporting that Isaac had surgery. In any case, with regard to the health of a player, it's unlikely that you'll read much more than is already available unless or until Isaac gets a redshirt or, at a minimum, commits to another school. Even then, I doubt you'll hear much about how he injured himself. www.backingthepack.com/nc-state-basketball-recruiting/2016/12/26/14082860/isaac-copeland-transfer-georgetown-nc-state-arizona-uconn-kansas
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jan 2, 2017 14:59:09 GMT -5
Kansas missed on a lot of their top targets this cycle... Wouldn't be all that surprising considering the Graham connection but he would only play half a season with him...If a Copeland commits to Kansas and is granted a medical redshirt for this year he wont play a minute with Graham. What everyone on here seems to not understand (NCAA Transfer Rules) is that the only way Copeland gets a redshirt for this year and have 2 years remaining (as reported) is if he doesn't start at his next school until the upcoming summer meaning he would be part of his new school's 2017-2018 incoming players and not actually see the court again until the 2018-2019 season similar to what Paul White has done in his transfer to Oregon. The NCAA has eliminated all the loop holes that so many transfers (Joshua Smith) used to become eligible immediately except for the graduate transfer, so if Copeland does get a medical redshirt, this will be his path back on to the college court at his next institution of higher learning.
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 2, 2017 16:46:42 GMT -5
Really? It's not as though Isaac scored more than 30 more than once in his career at Georgetown. Jessie had a game last year in which he scored 27 and has had 2 20 point games this season. Marcus is still not 100% and I'm not at all surprised when he goes for 15. Isaac was shooting 28% from 2 and 0% from 3 this year. If you could bottle the 32 point Isaac and use him every game, I agree. Over the course of a season at this point? I'd take both Marcus and Jessie over Isaac every day of the week and twice on Sunday. I think Isaac made a great decision for himself. Something is clearly awry with him. I don't know if it's physical or emotional or what. But him taking the transfer year seems like the right choice to get things straightened out. I think we all wish that he'd stayed and that he'd become the type of player he looks like he can be. It's just not working for him for whatever reasons. I really hope he takes the year, turns a bunch of heads wherever he ends up and gets himself back on the trajectory that ends with him realizing the future that he wants for himself. Best of luck to him wherever he goes. I agree that we could never assume that the good Ike would ever return. I am just trying to point out that Ike's upside is much greater than that of MD and also that those who didn't think that losing Ike was any big deal might want to rethink. Our first two BE games were lost, in part, because (as was pointed out when Ike left), when LJ or Pryor are not on the floor we are seriously offensively challenged. MD is a superior player. He was better from beyond the arc and inside the paint and had more potential in both areas, and on both ends in the paint.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 2, 2017 17:18:17 GMT -5
miss a player that had no interest in playing d or rebounding and couldn't make a jumper? not really
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Post by hoyajinx on Jan 2, 2017 17:19:46 GMT -5
I agree that we could never assume that the good Ike would ever return. I am just trying to point out that Ike's upside is much greater than that of MD and also that those who didn't think that losing Ike was any big deal might want to rethink. Our first two BE games were lost, in part, because (as was pointed out when Ike left), when LJ or Pryor are not on the floor we are seriously offensively challenged. MD is a superior player. He was better from beyond the arc and inside the paint and had more potential in both areas, and on both ends in the paint. And he takes a charge better than anyone on the team. In many games unfortunately, him taking a charge has been the best defensive play of the game for us. He understands defensive positioning in a way that Ike is entirely unable to.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Jan 2, 2017 17:33:48 GMT -5
miss a player that had no interest in playing d or rebounding and couldn't make a jumper? not really He was our leader prior to leaving, right?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 19:32:46 GMT -5
Kansas missed on a lot of their top targets this cycle... Wouldn't be all that surprising considering the Graham connection but he would only play half a season with him...If a Copeland commits to Kansas and is granted a medical redshirt for this year he wont play a minute with Graham. What everyone on here seems to not understand (NCAA Transfer Rules) is that the only way Copeland gets a redshirt for this year and have 2 years remaining (as reported) is if he doesn't start at his next school until the upcoming summer meaning he would be part of his new school's 2017-2018 incoming players and not actually see the court again until the 2018-2019 season similar to what Paul White has done in his transfer to Oregon. The NCAA has eliminated all the loop holes that so many transfers (Joshua Smith) used to become eligible immediately except for the graduate transfer, so if Copeland does get a medical redshirt, this will be his path back on to the college court at his next institution of higher learning. That's a big if imo.... What happens if he is not granted the waiver?
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Post by drquigley on Jan 2, 2017 19:38:42 GMT -5
If reports of a bad back are true it would explain a lot about this year's' bad Ike.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 2, 2017 19:51:26 GMT -5
Isn't it possible that Ike's regression this year is due to his back problems?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 2, 2017 20:19:33 GMT -5
Isn't it possible that Ike's regression this year is due to his back problems? How do we explain last year (except the Marquette came of course)?
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Post by drquigley on Jan 2, 2017 20:22:23 GMT -5
Isn't it possible that Ike's regression this year is due to his back problems? How do we explain last year (except the Marquette came of course)? (except the 3 pointer to beat Butler)
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Post by drquigley on Jan 2, 2017 20:42:41 GMT -5
Ike was also our 3rd leading scorer and rebounder last year.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 2, 2017 21:34:06 GMT -5
Ike was also our 3rd leading scorer and rebounder last year. True - but we sucked last year, so third best on a lousy team is a limited accolade.
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 2, 2017 21:38:02 GMT -5
Ike was also our 3rd leading scorer and rebounder last year. True - but we sucked last year, so third best on a lousy team is a limited accolade. Ike wasn't going to add anything this season whether is was injury, confidence or something else. I think we are better off without as it was painful to have to give him minutes of non production.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jan 2, 2017 22:17:26 GMT -5
If a Copeland commits to Kansas and is granted a medical redshirt for this year he wont play a minute with Graham. What everyone on here seems to not understand (NCAA Transfer Rules) is that the only way Copeland gets a redshirt for this year and have 2 years remaining (as reported) is if he doesn't start at his next school until the upcoming summer meaning he would be part of his new school's 2017-2018 incoming players and not actually see the court again until the 2018-2019 season similar to what Paul White has done in his transfer to Oregon. The NCAA has eliminated all the loop holes that so many transfers (Joshua Smith) used to become eligible immediately except for the graduate transfer, so if Copeland does get a medical redshirt, this will be his path back on to the college court at his next institution of higher learning. That's a big if imo.... What happens if he is not granted the waiver? I'm assuming you mean medical hardship in stead of waiver. Going to be very difficult for the NCAA to reject his medical hardship request if he did/does have back surgery and is sidelined for a significant period. Also if he's not enrolled as a full time student in any 4 year institution during this upcoming spring semester his NCAA clock will stop. My experience with NCAA compliance tells me this is almost a slam dunk he will be given the extra year. I believe Copeland knew he was transferring before the La Salle game and that he was going to request a red shirt for the year so he made sure not to play as he was close to crossing the threshold of games played that would eliminate his request. The only way I could see his request being rejected is if the NCAA contacts Georgetown's training staff which I can't see happening if has surgery or if Georgetown protested the request but no school's do that anymore. It's in poor taste and looks really bad like when a program tries to limit where a kid can go when they want to transfer.
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Post by dense on Jan 2, 2017 22:21:55 GMT -5
Kansas missed on a lot of their top targets this cycle... Wouldn't be all that surprising considering the Graham connection but he would only play half a season with him...If a Copeland commits to Kansas and is granted a medical redshirt for this year he wont play a minute with Graham. What everyone on here seems to not understand (NCAA Transfer Rules) is that the only way Copeland gets a redshirt for this year and have 2 years remaining (as reported) is if he doesn't start at his next school until the upcoming summer meaning he would be part of his new school's 2017-2018 incoming players and not actually see the court again until the 2018-2019 season similar to what Paul White has done in his transfer to Oregon. The NCAA has eliminated all the loop holes that so many transfers (Joshua Smith) used to become eligible immediately except for the graduate transfer, so if Copeland does get a medical redshirt, this will be his path back on to the college court at his next institution of higher learning. I think if Issac is choosing this course. It is a terrible plan. He is already old for his class. this would make him 24 in his senior year of eligibility.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 23:01:18 GMT -5
That's a big if imo.... What happens if he is not granted the waiver? I'm assuming you mean medical hardship in stead of waiver. Going to be very difficult for the NCAA to reject his medical hardship request if he did/does have back surgery and is sidelined for a significant period. Also if he's not enrolled as a full time student in any 4 year institution during this upcoming spring semester his NCAA clock will stop. My experience with NCAA compliance tells me this is almost a slam dunk he will be given the extra year. I believe Copeland knew he was transferring before the La Salle game and that he was going to request a red shirt for the year so he made sure not to play as he was close to crossing the threshold of games played that would eliminate his request. The only way I could see his request being rejected is if the NCAA contacts Georgetown's training staff which I can't see happening if has surgery or if Georgetown protested the request but no school's do that anymore. It's in poor taste and looks really bad like when a program tries to limit where a kid can go when they want to transfer. OK but what happens if it's not?..
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 2, 2017 23:48:11 GMT -5
It's really pretty simple. Copeland has used 3 seasons of eligibility. As a mid-season transfer, he cannot play on another team until after classes end in December 2017. So, without a medical redshirt/waiver, he can only play half a season. Or he can sit out next year and play in 2018-2019.
I think it's very likely he gets a medical redshirt if he really did have (or will have) back surgery, and likely would get the year of eligibility back, so he can play another 1.5 years. But without that, it's only a half year.
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