bamahoya11
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Post by bamahoya11 on Dec 29, 2016 18:48:39 GMT -5
I am not sure quoting Esherick win totals without a caveat regarding the OOC schedule in those years is fair. But you know that. What was the win total in BE games? I think that I clearly acknowledged that JT III has produced better records than Esherick. But I was not attempting to glorify the Esherick years or equate JT III with Esherick. My opinion remains that the national status of the program today is lower than at any time since the Esherick years. I am not certain anyone, including the current coaching staff, would disagree with that comment. Students chanting for the firing of the coach on national television certainly does not help. National sports commentators openly questioning the effort of the players does not help. I know that JT III often takes an unfair hit whenever lists are put together of coaches on the hot seat, but he is on every list. Little mention is given to the other factors, including injuries, suspensions and transfers, that might have impacted his results in recent years. This is about where the program is and not why it is there. Most damning, I recall attending games against the St. Leo's of the world that had more enthusiasm and active crowds, than the dead and empty arena that is there now. I got very good tickets for Saturday's game against a nationally ranked team two days ago! That in itself would not have been possible just a few years ago. All this was an attempt to say that it is important that this team turn it around now, starting this weekend. It is important to the future of the program. Others can debate the future of the coach--that is not my agenda. In that vein, did you see the crowd in Milwaukee last night to see Marquette play? Looked good to me on tv, and that was for a team that has been out of the picture for several years and is having a good but unspectacular year this year. The Verizon Center hasn't sounded anywhere close to this season, and I've been to every game except Howard. Yesterday I pulled up the Washington Post in the afternoon and couldn't even find the Georgetown preview on the web page. Other than game write ups, we are almost never in the Post, the Express, or any other paper. There have been at least 2-3 features on Maryland in the Express over the last few weeks. All of this is to say, I am totally agreed that the atmosphere around the program is just bad. Everyone's expectations are so low. There's a whole lot of reasons for that, but what scares me more is I don't see a clear path to improvement. I had hoped that if we kept it going, folks might start caring to watch Peak and Pryor. When they're on, they're special. But the truth is our team is just unspectacular. Our talent is good but not great, our coaching is ok, and our fan support is in the doldrums. Hopefully it'll improve. The marketing team seems smart. Though all the discounts make me feel like a bit of a fool for buying season tickets.
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Post by SDHoya on Dec 29, 2016 19:08:04 GMT -5
I think that I clearly acknowledged that JT III has produced better records than Esherick. But I was not attempting to glorify the Esherick years or equate JT III with Esherick. My opinion remains that the national status of the program today is lower than at any time since the Esherick years. I am not certain anyone, including the current coaching staff, would disagree with that comment. Students chanting for the firing of the coach on national television certainly does not help. National sports commentators openly questioning the effort of the players does not help. I know that JT III often takes an unfair hit whenever lists are put together of coaches on the hot seat, but he is on every list. Little mention is given to the other factors, including injuries, suspensions and transfers, that might have impacted his results in recent years. This is about where the program is and not why it is there. Most damning, I recall attending games against the St. Leo's of the world that had more enthusiasm and active crowds, than the dead and empty arena that is there now. I got very good tickets for Saturday's game against a nationally ranked team two days ago! That in itself would not have been possible just a few years ago. All this was an attempt to say that it is important that this team turn it around now, starting this weekend. It is important to the future of the program. Others can debate the future of the coach--that is not my agenda. In that vein, did you see the crowd in Milwaukee last night to see Marquette play? Looked good to me on tv, and that was for a team that has been out of the picture for several years and is having a good but unspectacular year this year. The Verizon Center hasn't sounded anywhere close to this season, and I've been to every game except Howard. Yesterday I pulled up the Washington Post in the afternoon and couldn't even find the Georgetown preview on the web page. Other than game write ups, we are almost never in the Post, the Express, or any other paper. There have been at least 2-3 features on Maryland in the Express over the last few weeks. All of this is to say, I am totally agreed that the atmosphere around the program is just bad. Everyone's expectations are so low. There's a whole lot of reasons for that, but what scares me more is I don't see a clear path to improvement. I had hoped that if we kept it going, folks might start caring to watch Peak and Pryor. When they're on, they're special. But the truth is our team is just unspectacular. Our talent is good but not great, our coaching is ok, and our fan support is in the doldrums. Hopefully it'll improve. The marketing team seems smart. Though all the discounts make me feel like a bit of a fool for buying season tickets. Two things on the Marquette attendance. First, Wojo is still on the tail end of his honeymoon phase, so there is going to be a bit more excitement to that program than to one where the coach is dangerously close to wearing out any welcome he has left. Second, DC has a zillion things to do better than to watch mediocre basketball, and also is a region where most people are not actually from DC, and so did not necessarily grow up with the Hoyas. Milwaukee...is Milwaukee. There is only one way to get people back in the seats at Verizon.
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bamahoya11
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Post by bamahoya11 on Dec 29, 2016 19:17:38 GMT -5
In that vein, did you see the crowd in Milwaukee last night to see Marquette play? Looked good to me on tv, and that was for a team that has been out of the picture for several years and is having a good but unspectacular year this year. The Verizon Center hasn't sounded anywhere close to this season, and I've been to every game except Howard. Yesterday I pulled up the Washington Post in the afternoon and couldn't even find the Georgetown preview on the web page. Other than game write ups, we are almost never in the Post, the Express, or any other paper. There have been at least 2-3 features on Maryland in the Express over the last few weeks. All of this is to say, I am totally agreed that the atmosphere around the program is just bad. Everyone's expectations are so low. There's a whole lot of reasons for that, but what scares me more is I don't see a clear path to improvement. I had hoped that if we kept it going, folks might start caring to watch Peak and Pryor. When they're on, they're special. But the truth is our team is just unspectacular. Our talent is good but not great, our coaching is ok, and our fan support is in the doldrums. Hopefully it'll improve. The marketing team seems smart. Though all the discounts make me feel like a bit of a fool for buying season tickets. Two things on the Marquette attendance. First, Wojo is still on the tail end of his honeymoon phase, so there is going to be a bit more excitement to that program than to one where the coach is dangerously close to wearing out any welcome he has left. Second, DC has a zillion things to do better than to watch mediocre basketball, and also is a region where most people are not actually from DC, and so did not necessarily grow up with the Hoyas. Milwaukee...is Milwaukee. There is only one way to get people back in the seats at Verizon. Totally agree that Georgetown has all kinds of challenges bringing fans in to watch games in DC that a smaller market doesn't. And yeah, I think it takes winning to get people back, winning consistently and against good competition. It'd be nice to beat a ranked team at home Saturday. It feels like forever since we've beaten a ranked team at home.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Dec 29, 2016 20:45:12 GMT -5
Two things on the Marquette attendance. First, Wojo is still on the tail end of his honeymoon phase, so there is going to be a bit more excitement to that program than to one where the coach is dangerously close to wearing out any welcome he has left. Second, DC has a zillion things to do better than to watch mediocre basketball, and also is a region where most people are not actually from DC, and so did not necessarily grow up with the Hoyas. Milwaukee...is Milwaukee. There is only one way to get people back in the seats at Verizon. Totally agree that Georgetown has all kinds of challenges bringing fans in to watch games in DC that a smaller market doesn't. And yeah, I think it takes winning to get people back, winning consistently and against good competition. It'd be nice to beat a ranked team at home Saturday. It feels like forever since we've beaten a ranked team at home.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Dec 29, 2016 20:46:17 GMT -5
Beat Syracuse at Verizon last December
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Post by calhoya on Dec 30, 2016 8:22:04 GMT -5
On annual pilgrimage to see Hoyas play this week and hoping for a belated Christmas present. With Peak possibly limited I would really like to see Cameron given a shot in this game. Xavier is not uptempo, does not shoot the 3 particularly well (famous last words) and Hoyas will need another outside shooter. Just don't see Pryor being left open much, no reason to believe that MD can play the 3 and do not want to rely on Tre having another career game. If Tre plays hoping he can stay under control and limit shots to inside of 27 feet. Not a lot of other options here. The thought of Mosley, Mulmore and a closely guarded Pryor on the outside won't scare anyone. Have to open up the middle for the bigs.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Dec 30, 2016 9:17:57 GMT -5
This is a likely loss, but obviously a win here erases Marquette and then some. Defensive intensity would be nice to see for a change. Offensively, I understand the frustrations but I don't know if JTIII can do much different to improve the situation. We got 3 players who can put the ball in the basket with regularity: Peak, Pryor and Govan (sometimes). That's it. Peak and Pryor are most effective creating their own shots or coming off high ball screens. That's basically what they are doing. We're only going to win games against teams like Xavier by hitting outside shots and getting to the line and that's the personnel and approach we have that can do that the best.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 30, 2016 9:41:20 GMT -5
X is very beatable. Gotta lock up Blueitt. I would see if we can get Hayes going inside on the hooker and hope that Peak is healthy.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 30, 2016 12:36:27 GMT -5
Hard to be optimistic about LJ for tomorrow. If his groin was bad enough to take him out Wednesday, can't see him being close to 100% in only 3 days, and we can't have the problem being aggravated even more.
We may need a bunch of guys stepping up their production. Hopefully the home court helps, no matter how limited the numbers.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 30, 2016 16:52:00 GMT -5
LJ says he's fine, that's definitely good news for tomorrow..
I'd be surprised if his minutes aren't limited somewhat but good to hear he'll play..
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 30, 2016 17:31:39 GMT -5
hope he IS fine but go hoyas NEED TO BE MEAN especially bradley MEANARYWAYUP PLEASE defend the three AND the paint rebound pressemup OG HOYAS MUST WIN cant go 0-2 in the big east then BUTLER NEXT AWAY MUST WIN>
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Post by bamahoya11 on Dec 30, 2016 18:01:43 GMT -5
LJ says he's fine, that's definitely good news for tomorrow.. I'd be surprised if his minutes aren't limited somewhat but good to hear he'll play.. JTIII was a bit circumspect and did suggest that his minutes might be limited based on how he plays. We certainly need to be cautious if he's not fully ready to go. But this was great news. Made my afternoon seeing this video and knowing that we will (hopefully) be seeing him on the floor tomorrow. With Peak in the game and playing the way he can, we could definitely find a way to win this game.
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 30, 2016 18:41:27 GMT -5
I love everything about LJ but either he is lying in the video about being fine or the groin was never really that bad. You don't just come back from a groin injury in 2 days and feel fine. I had enough of them when I was playing to know that. I hope he is 100% but I think it is more that he wants to make Xavier to have to prepare for him.
Also for those that care we are 2.5 point underdogs. So youre saying we got a chance!!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 30, 2016 19:15:39 GMT -5
He can't be 100%, but he may be able to give us some minutes, although probably more of an outside game.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 30, 2016 19:18:44 GMT -5
I love everything about LJ but either he is lying in the video about being fine or the groin was never really that bad. You don't just come back from a groin injury in 2 days and feel fine. I had enough of them when I was playing to know that. I hope he is 100% but I think it is more that he wants to make Xavier to have to prepare for him. Also for those that care we are 2.5 point underdogs. So youre saying we got a chance!! Groin injuries can have varying severity.
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Post by eagle54 on Dec 30, 2016 23:27:32 GMT -5
It will be deflating, and extremely telling, if this squad does not come out with fire in their eyes on defense from the opening tip. Oh, and we need a volunteer to work on LJ's groin from now until Saturday. eagle, this is your chance to make a difference my friend! I think Rock sounds like the right guy for that as he seems to know about the varying degrees of groin injuries. But, I'm sure you would actually enjoy the job so go for it.
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Post by pghhoya on Dec 31, 2016 5:59:28 GMT -5
Totally agree that Georgetown has all kinds of challenges bringing fans in to watch games in DC that a smaller market doesn't. And yeah, I think it takes winning to get people back, winning consistently and against good competition. It'd be nice to beat a ranked team at home Saturday. It feels like forever since we've beaten a ranked team at home. Attendance is down across college ball this year. And being, well, not very good right now doesn't help. But that's every city. The Rams were playing to an empty stadium in LA because they were not successful. Here in Pittsburgh a not very good Pitt team is making deals on ACC games that would make the Georgetown marketing team blush. And their barn used to be a raucous graveyard for the dreams of BE teams not named Georgetown or Louisville. Go on a 5 game run, attendance will improve. All that said: the Verizon Center is an awful place. Even as big, impersonal areas go, it seems truly without life whether it is the Hoyas or the Wizards on the court. Even when we were winning with good crowds, it was not a nice place. Now, before the board jumps all over me, I know we need to play the hand we've been dealt. I am not making a pie in the sky argument for some new facility. I'm just stating what I perceive to be a fact.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 31, 2016 7:24:10 GMT -5
It will be deflating, and extremely telling, if this squad does not come out with fire in their eyes on defense from the opening tip. Oh, and we need a volunteer to work on LJ's groin from now until Saturday. eagle, this is your chance to make a difference my friend! I think Rock sounds like the right guy for that as he seems to know about the varying degrees of groin injuries. But, I'm sure you would actually enjoy the job so go for it. Nah, you are the one who likes to poke and prod, this would be right up your alley. It could be your big chance to show your critics that you are all in for the Hoyas!
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Post by prhoya on Dec 31, 2016 7:37:59 GMT -5
JT3 quote:
“As much as our defense was poor, as much as our help and support of each other wasn’t where it was has been, our offensive execution in key points in the game has to be better. We ended up with too many islands. Everyone was just thinking about my man, my matchup, and not supporting as much as this group has to do.”
Confusing quote by JT3 with some of his usual jumble of words... He jumps from offense to defense. I just hope this doesn't mean that we'll end up overhelping and Xavier perimeter players wide open.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 31, 2016 9:52:16 GMT -5
Let's get this guys, time to man up on defense, value the ball on offense, pound the boards. Hoya New Year!
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