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Post by sleepy on Dec 26, 2016 20:10:23 GMT -5
For the point of tournament selection purposes, I think winning a combined 10 Big East games, including conference and tournament, is a must for all Big East teams.
If 6 teams manage to get to 10 wins, 6 would probably go.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 26, 2016 20:23:46 GMT -5
Since the start of the new BE only Xavier has made the tourney after finishing in 6th place & they were 23-14.. Another interesting note is that the 6th place team has always finished with a 9-9 record in the new BE.. I'm not sure 9-9 will be good enough for Gtown.. Thats out of 3 years and the league is stronger this year than any of those by the numbers. I wasn't saying Gtown would be the team to finish 6th but 9-9 and a couple wins in the tourney would probably put u right there this year To me a 9-9 record would probably only work for SH, Nova, Xavier, Creighton & Butler.. Gtown, Prov & Marquette all need to get to 10+ wins in conference play to truly lock in a bid imo.. I do agree that 9-9 plus 2 conference wins get Gtown in..
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 26, 2016 20:31:03 GMT -5
We should no doubt finish ahead of St. John's and DePaul. Right now, it appears that Villanova, Xavier, Creighton, and Butler are likely to finish ahead of us. That leaves Marquette, Seton Hall, Providence, and us fighting for the 5-8 spots. There are a lot of realistic possibilities at this point. That's why the games against Marquette, Seton Hall, and Providence are so important. Do well against them, and we likely make the tournament. Do poorly, and we're likely out.
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Post by bicentennial on Dec 27, 2016 1:09:24 GMT -5
I realize when it comes to GU I am a crazy optimist but somehow I think it all starts Wednesday at Marquette. I am buoyed by the fact that 10 players are getting significant minutes. That is a significant change from so many past years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 17:11:31 GMT -5
Thats out of 3 years and the league is stronger this year than any of those by the numbers. I wasn't saying Gtown would be the team to finish 6th but 9-9 and a couple wins in the tourney would probably put u right there this year To me a 9-9 record would probably only work for SH, Nova, Xavier, Creighton & Butler.. Gtown, Prov & Marquette all need to get to 10+ wins in conference play to truly lock in a bid imo.. I do agree that 9-9 plus 2 conference wins get Gtown in.. Providence's rpi is 30 they'd be right there also as long as they don't lose to Depaul or St Johns... tough league
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 21:10:46 GMT -5
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 28, 2016 9:42:13 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 7, 2017 17:30:42 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 8, 2017 18:47:06 GMT -5
Xavier added another piece to its incoming 2017 recruiting class on Sunday when JUCO big man Brady Ernst committed to the Musketeers. Ernst chose Xavier over offers from Seton Hall, Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech, and Minnesota.
He's currently averaging 12 points (65.4% FG), 8.8 rebounds, and 1.7 blocks in 22.2 minutes per game at Indian Hills Community College in Iowa.
Mack has a top 10 class that has a big man, yet he continues to recruit for 2017..
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 9, 2017 13:36:32 GMT -5
I thought he learned his lesson so I was definitely wrong and other posters were right..
Still sad to see imo..
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 10, 2017 9:31:13 GMT -5
Holtsman got his team together pretty quickly..
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 10, 2017 11:37:46 GMT -5
Holtsman got his team together pretty quickly.. Exactly! The excuse for "putting new pieces together" is BS. Look at what Calipari & K do every year. That is the extreme but with the grad transfer, normal transfers & freshman, the inexperience playing together argument is nonsense.
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 10, 2017 11:58:00 GMT -5
Holtsman got his team together pretty quickly.. Exactly! The excuse for "putting new pieces together" is BS. Look at what Calipari & K do every year. That is the extreme but with the grad transfer, normal transfers & freshman, the inexperience playing together argument is nonsense. Um, every situation and team is different. Why act like these are black and white situations? They're not.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 10, 2017 12:04:22 GMT -5
Exactly! The excuse for "putting new pieces together" is BS. Look at what Calipari & K do every year. That is the extreme but with the grad transfer, normal transfers & freshman, the inexperience playing together argument is nonsense. Um, every situation and team is different. Why act like these are black and white situations? They're not. Because while others are playing with new pieces and winning, we are playing with new pieces and losing. Pretty simple really. Creighton has a rack of transfers & freshman, so does Butler, Xavier started down their front line and senior point guard and is 15-2. We have been waiting for pieces to gel for four years.
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 10, 2017 15:00:52 GMT -5
Um, every situation and team is different. Why act like these are black and white situations? They're not. Because while others are playing with new pieces and winning, we are playing with new pieces and losing. Pretty simple really. Creighton has a rack of transfers & freshman, so does Butler, Xavier started down their front line and senior point guard and is 15-2. We have been waiting for pieces to gel for four years. Horrible argument - I'm sorry. You do realize there are plenty of programs who have had similar turnover and are not performing well either?
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 10, 2017 17:03:59 GMT -5
Because while others are playing with new pieces and winning, we are playing with new pieces and losing. Pretty simple really. Creighton has a rack of transfers & freshman, so does Butler, Xavier started down their front line and senior point guard and is 15-2. We have been waiting for pieces to gel for four years. Horrible argument - I'm sorry. You do realize there are plenty of programs who have had similar turnover and are not performing well either? I don't see how Columbia's point is horrible Rock, he's saying if Gtown's peers can make their transition fairly seamless, why can't Gtown?
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 10, 2017 17:08:55 GMT -5
Horrible argument - I'm sorry. You do realize there are plenty of programs who have had similar turnover and are not performing well either? I don't see how Columbia's point is horrible Rock, he's saying if Gtown's peers can make their transition fairly seamless, why can't Gtown? Maybe for the some reason some of their peers don't make the transition fairly seamless? He's picking and choosing a subset of the stats. There are 343 Div 1 teams...you can make the point that we could be further along by now without acting like every other program has had a more seamless transition than us. I would look up some examples, but my point stands either way
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 10, 2017 17:25:39 GMT -5
I don't see how Columbia's point is horrible Rock, he's saying if Gtown's peers can make their transition fairly seamless, why can't Gtown? Maybe for the some reason some of their peers don't make the transition fairly seamless? He's picking and choosing a subset of the stats. There are 343 Div 1 teams...you can make the point that we could be further along by now without acting like every other program has had a more seamless transition than us. I would look up some examples, but my point stands either way I think choosing to compare Gtown against programs in the BE is fair plus the only stats Columbia quoted was Xavier's record this season..
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 10, 2017 17:30:42 GMT -5
Maybe for the some reason some of their peers don't make the transition fairly seamless? He's picking and choosing a subset of the stats. There are 343 Div 1 teams...you can make the point that we could be further along by now without acting like every other program has had a more seamless transition than us. I would look up some examples, but my point stands either way I think choosing to compare Gtown against programs in the BE is fair plus the only stats Columbia quoted was Xavier's record this season.. I don't think it's an objective measure at all, in fact, it makes the argument weaker. This is reality not some vacuum. There are more variables involved than just what players you get and what conference you're in. For a board who complains about March performance so much you would think we would've learned to look outside our conference and expand our horizons/expectations. Anywho, to each his own. Using a four team sample and expecting a 100% transition success rate is the basis of a solid, solid argument - apparently.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 17:33:10 GMT -5
Stop talking around each other.
It's evidence it can be done, but it's also not sufficient proof that the "inexperience playing together argument is nonsense".
Fin.
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