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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2016 8:40:34 GMT -5
Im playing a coach this morning lol. I think I figured this monster out. Tell me what you think. I'd like to stay with this starting line up to build some team chemistry. Subs will be Derrickson (maybe start sometimes for Agau?), Hayes, (needs to show some fierceness in his game.) Campbell, Mosely, Johnson, Cameron (true vet, good decision maker & passer), & Mourning. Until we get some consistency and chemistry from the point guard/guard positions it will always be hard for the Hoyas to win. There will always be inconsistencies starting from that position to other positions. Everything else breaks down. Hoyas rebounding. Sad. Out rebounded by Elon 36-32 (suspect). Why won't Campbell attack the basket. He's been playing the same way since he was a freshman. Mulmore attacks the basket. He needs to finish more, but doesn't play a lot of minutes. This comes with playing more. I see flashes. I see more confidence in Mulmore each time he steps on the court. Hoays only turned the ball over 10 times, but sometimes in crucial situations. Be careful guys. Take better care of the ball. I'm waiting on ya'll take on this. Peace
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Post by lancasterhoyafan on Dec 5, 2016 8:45:30 GMT -5
It could definitely work. My issue with Mulmore is he loses his man alot on defense, whereas, Moseley doesn't. He can get to the rack and as you stated he needs to finish better. This week of practice and no games is big for the team.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 5, 2016 9:14:15 GMT -5
I can agree if we see the Jessie we saw yesterday - and as long as the opponent does not have a scoring big man. His defense still needs a lot of work, although he did seem to be moving his feet better yesterday.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 5, 2016 9:19:33 GMT -5
The only stat Mulmore registered yesterday in 10 minutes was a missed FT, every other category was a zero..
Why would he get the nod over Tre who looks to be on a nice 3 game roll?
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Post by bostonfan on Dec 5, 2016 9:30:06 GMT -5
I think the PG position is going to come down to who is playing well each night. Tre played pretty well yesterday and deserved the minutes. Next game it might be Jon or Jagan. I think they all work hard when in the game and match ups and who seems to have a hot hand is going to dictate how that position goes the balance of the year. All three have skills that can help the team, but it does seem that Tre is the best shooter of the three. It would be great to have one guy take control of that position but it seems like this will need to be done by committee
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Dec 5, 2016 9:32:35 GMT -5
I'm not sure mulmore is good enough to play at this level, much less be a starter. Tre has been far and away the best point guard of the bunch up to this point.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 5, 2016 9:40:21 GMT -5
Each guard has skills that the other doesn't have....Mulmore can draw FTs and keep the pressure on the defense much easier than the other two. It's not always about the tangible effect. Every defender knows Tre won't try to dribble past them, so they play up and he still can't make them pay. Their strengths and weaknesses are different, and as such they have different packages that affect the ceiling/floor of this team.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 5, 2016 10:00:11 GMT -5
Mulmore looks overwhelmed. Jessie, despite the nice stat line, needs to improve his D. Against like sized opponents he is going to get chewed up. He needs to get in a lower defending position in the post. His positioning is lazy which gets him pushed out on boards. These things are easy to correct so I have a lot more faith in his improvement hen Mulmore's.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2016 10:14:29 GMT -5
It could definitely work. My issue with Mulmore is he loses his man alot on defense, whereas, Moseley doesn't. He can get to the rack and as you stated he needs to finish better. This week of practice and no games is big for the team. Other way around I think. lol |
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 5, 2016 10:14:44 GMT -5
Each guard has skills that the other doesn't have....Mulmore can draw FTs and keep the pressure on the defense much easier than the other two. It's not always about the tangible effect. Every defender knows Tre won't try to dribble past them, so they play up and he still can't make them pay. Their strengths and weaknesses are different, and as such they have different packages that affect the ceiling/floor of this team. Tre getting a defender to play him close is a good thing because it helps with spacing, which helps to create more scoring chances for the team.. |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2016 10:15:08 GMT -5
Each guard has skills that the other doesn't have....Mulmore can draw FTs and keep the pressure on the defense much easier than the other two. It's not always about the tangible effect. Every defender knows Tre won't try to dribble past them, so they play up and he still can't make them pay. Their strengths and weaknesses are different, and as such they have different packages that affect the ceiling/floor of this team. RIGHT ON POINT!!! |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2016 10:15:57 GMT -5
Each guard has skills that the other doesn't have....Mulmore can draw FTs and keep the pressure on the defense much easier than the other two. It's not always about the tangible effect. Every defender knows Tre won't try to dribble past them, so they play up and he still can't make them pay. Their strengths and weaknesses are different, and as such they have different packages that affect the ceiling/floor of this team. Tre getting a defender to play him close is a good thing because it helps with spacing, which helps to create more scoring chances for the team.. Tre won't go pass anyone. He's afraid to. |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2016 10:18:00 GMT -5
Mulmore looks overwhelmed. Jessie, despite the nice stat line, needs to improve his D. Against like sized opponents he is going to get chewed up. He needs to get in a lower defending position in the post. His positioning is lazy which gets him pushed out on boards. These things are easy to correct so I have a lot more faith in his improvement hen Mulmore's. I don't think Mulmore looks overwhelmed. The kid told me he would've beaten Maryland. He was wide open when Pryor had the ball and passed it off to the freshman Mosely? smh Jessie, yes. Start with your point guard and center and work it from there. |
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 5, 2016 10:20:41 GMT -5
Tre getting a defender to play him close is a good thing because it helps with spacing, which helps to create more scoring chances for the team.. Tre won't go pass anyone. He's afraid to. He had 4 assists yesterday, how many did Mulmore have? |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2016 10:52:36 GMT -5
Tre won't go pass anyone. He's afraid to. He had 4 assists yesterday, how many did Mulmore have? In 10 minutes none, but did go to the free throw line from attacking the basket. Just think if he had Tre's 26 minutes? hmmm. How many times did Tre go to the free throw line? NONE. smh ... |
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 5, 2016 10:57:47 GMT -5
Tre is find as our starting PG. If he's in lineups with Pryor and Peak, they will take care of the slashing for him. He just needs to be able to knock down some early shots off of ball movement to make the opponents overplay him. Then the easy driving lane will open up and he can take it into the paint for a layup or dump-off.
Mosely is a great back-up, has tons of potential and is a good floor leader for the second team.
Mulmore is probably our best downhill guard but can't finish. I think he'll get better for us as the year goes on and especially next year.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 5, 2016 11:07:25 GMT -5
He had 4 assists yesterday, how many did Mulmore have? In 10 minutes none, but did go to the free throw line from attacking the basket. Just think if he had Tre's 26 minutes? hmmm. How many times did Tre go to the free throw line? NONE. smh ... Maybe the fact that he played 7 or 8 minutes without doing anything is why Tre played much more.. I'm glad he got to the line late in the game but to me that doesn't beat the stat line Campbell put up.. No matter how much you want Mulmore to play you can't ignore the fact that Tre is out playing him right now.. |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2016 11:07:59 GMT -5
Tre is find as our starting PG. If he's in lineups with Pryor and Peak, they will take care of the slashing for him. He just needs to be able to knock down some early shots off of ball movement to make the opponents overplay him. Then the easy driving lane will open up and he can take it into the paint for a layup or dump-off. Mosely is a great back-up, has tons of potential and is a good floor leader for the second team. Mulmore is probably our best downhill guard but can't finish. I think he'll get better for us as the year goes on and especially next year. No, I do not agree with Tre being our starting PG. He doesn't attack the basket. Even in transition he's slowing down instead of speeding up. He's too hesistant. When Tre doesn't attack as he should the Hoyas turn the ball over or a shot clock violation occurs. Yes, Mosely is a decent back up, not great. Guards have been abusing the freshman in attacking him at will. See Wisconsin pg!!! Thanks for responding though. I respect your opinion. |
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 5, 2016 11:09:36 GMT -5
As far as the rest of the line-up goes, I agree. Hayes can come of the bench, especially if we face an opponent with an effective center. Agau should be starting alongside Govan but if we have Hayes in there I think Derrickson is the better pair for him.
These would be my two primary lineups:
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Tre
LJ
Rodney
Akoy
Jessie
2nd team-
Jagan
LJ or Rodney (whoever is playing better to start)
Kaleb/Reggie (or LJ/Rodney if they're having 40min types of days)
Marcus
Bradley
If Copeland heals and returns to form, he can take Kaleb's minutes at the 3.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 5, 2016 11:14:56 GMT -5
Prefer Tre over Mulmore to start for now. Tre has noticeably improved. Agree on Govan, Pryor and Peak. Govan clearly has the higher ceiling and has also shown some defensive improvement and offensive confidence. I prefer Derrickson over Agau as again I think that he brings more offense to the team and Agau may be needed to play the post against quicker teams. My disagreement is leaving Copeland off the rotation. He has not played well this year but I just do not believe that this kid should be tossed aside. There is too much talent there and what is needed is consistency. I have watched every game this year and while I see his defensive shortcomings at time, they do not stand out more to me than what I have seen from many other players on the team. Also love the inclusion of Cameron in the rotation though I expect you will be blasted for it. His worst year shooting 3s, was better than what we are getting from many other players on this team and hustle has never been his problem.
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