Hoyas - Coppin St 11/30/16 Discussion

[DanMcQ]

Keep working on the D and cutting down the turnovers.

[FrazierFanatic]

And pound the boards. A little better yesterday, but still not good enough given the size advantage.

[KHoyaNYC]

First, important game to get back to .500. Second, JTIII needs to keep tinkering with the various rotations and give guys like Mourning some minutes. Enough is enough, give the kid some run. Third, we have to figure out how to rebound the basketball. Finally, don't give up on Govan yet, too early in the season to give up on him.

[HometownHoya]

Rebound rebound rebound

Also figure out a scheme to defend guards. Clearly our guys can't do it 1 on 1 and even the bigs stepping up isn't stopping them. I'd suggest zone but we've proven to be just as bad at that.

[aleutianhoya]

One of the announcers yesterday made a good point: With all the traveling, we haven't had much practice time. That's surely correct. Just one day between the MD and Ark St. game. And then I assume we traveled the next day and practiced the 19th and 20th. Three days in three days, and then just two days of practice (at most) before Howard).

None of that is an excuse (many teams are in the same boat), but the reality is that we've had (at most) four or five practices since the Terps' game. Not a lot of time at all to work on stuff on the court.

So, I'm hoping we're working on some things today and tomorrow on the defensive end. Cleaning up our press; continuing to work on rebounding; etc.

Let's blow these next two teams out. We've got a lot of practice time available over the next two weeks to make some adjustments before the Cuse game.

[GUJook97]

But, you said it all. All teams play this kind of schedule, but many teams also dont have several upperclassmen, like we do. We should be a deep and balanced team, and once again, we look like a mess of an inconsistent squad. If the system is too complicated, call me crazy, but maybe the coach shouldnt employ it...I have to say, I respect the optimists here, but I have little faith for this season. It seems we will be exactly like last year. Some games we will look like a top 3 BE team, but most of the time we will play like the 6th-7th BE team, and that's pretty embarrassing.

[GUJook97]

I still think we should be playing more 2-3. Make teams beat us with jump shooting. You can say we don't have the personnel to do this successfully, but guess what, we stink at all the other defenses, too. With a 2-3, you can protect against fouling and you can do more to prevent guards from sprinting right past us to get to the basket.

[TBird41]

Nov 28, 2016 10:44:54 GMT -5 aleutianhoya said:

One of the announcers yesterday made a good point: With all the traveling, we haven't had much practice time. That's surely correct. Just one day between the MD and Ark St. game. And then I assume we traveled the next day and practiced the 19th and 20th. Three days in three days, and then just two days of practice (at most) before Howard).

None of that is an excuse (many teams are in the same boat), but the reality is that we've had (at most) four or five practices since the Terps' game. Not a lot of time at all to work on stuff on the court.

So, I'm hoping we're working on some things today and tomorrow on the defensive end. Cleaning up our press; continuing to work on rebounding; etc.

Let's blow these next two teams out. We've got a lot of practice time available over the next two weeks to make some adjustments before the Cuse game.

Hopefully, you're right in that some extra practice time will make a difference. A blowout against Coppin State would be nice, because while their performance level against Howard will be enough to beat Coppin State, it's probably not going to be enough against Elon or LaSalle. Elon has an eFG% of 58.1%, and they're making almost 60% of their two pointers (I haven't seen them play, but that would seem to indicate they're getting a lot of layups). They haven't put up these stats against high major talent, but I'm not going to pretend I'm not scared of Elon. Which says a lot about this season, I think.

Also, Coppin State is bad at pretty much everything, so there is no excuse not to blow them out. Defensively, they're average nationally at generating turnovers (150th overall). Offensively, they're above average at not turning it over (91st overall) and average at getting to the line (141st in free throw rate). They are horrible at everything else. There is no excuse not to dominate this game.

[hoyasaxa2003]

Nov 28, 2016 11:23:54 GMT -5 GUJook97 said:

I still think we should be playing more 2-3. Make teams beat us with jump shooting. You can say we don't have the personnel to do this successfully, but guess what, we stink at all the other defenses, too. With a 2-3, you can protect against fouling and you can do more to prevent guards from sprinting right past us to get to the basket.

I agree. The 2-3 zone was actually pretty good in Maui. The only problem is that our team seems incapable of rebounding out of the zone. So while the better defense is important, we give some of it back through rebounding. Still, it's probably better than our man defense.

[LCPolo18]

[hoyasaxa2003]

Coppin State is literally the worst Division 1 team in shooting in the country, and they are basically good at nothing (they are even below 60% from the line as a team). This is the type of team we should blow out.

[hoyainspirit]

Nov 28, 2016 11:34:36 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

The only problem is that our team seems incapable of rebounding out of the zone.

Unfortunately, to this point we seem incapable of rebounding out of any defense.

The good thing is that the season has many more games to be played. Hopefully, we improve.

[Nevada Hoya]

I think I have been in a time warp. What happened to Ike? One of the boxscores said that he DNP because of an injury.

[tashoya]

Nov 28, 2016 13:36:27 GMT -5 Nevada Hoya said:

I think I have been in a time warp. What happened to Ike? One of the boxscores said that he DNP because of an injury.

Apparently, a facial injury that occurred in the previous game.

[Nevada Hoya]

Thanks tas!

I think it has been a case of out of sight, out of mind. No chatter on the board about this; I guess everybody is good with his missing a few games.

[homeonthehilltop]

How does Trey go from getting 11 quality minutes against Duke last year to 0 minutes against Howard this year?

[bostonfan]

The biggest frustration so far that I have seen is that they don't seem able to put together a complete game. At times during pretty much every game, except maybe Oklahoma State, they look like they could be a really good team and then they have lapses where they look very mediocre. How they can go from dominating a team like Oregon for a half and outplaying Maryland for 3/4 of the game to playing so sloppy is mid boggling. They have enough talent to compete with just about anyone, but you can not have lapses in intensity, focus and effort in every game. Sometimes they get ahead and then seem to get too comfortable and forget to do what got them the original lead or they fall behind and then start free lancing and getting away from what they do well.

Give 40 minutes of consistent effort and intensity and they are going to win their share of games. Keep playing in spurts and it is going to be another lost season.

[njhoya78]

Nov 28, 2016 9:20:51 GMT -5 KHoyaNYC said:

First, important game to get back to .500. Second, JTIII needs to keep tinkering with the various rotations and give guys like Mourning some minutes. Enough is enough, give the kid some run. Third, we have to figure out how to rebound the basketball. Finally, don't give up on Govan yet, too early in the season to give up on him.

Not that I necessarily disagree with you, but if you are (a) giving Mourning more minutes and (b) giving Govan more time on the court, who sits down? Hayes? Agau? There are only so many minutes to go around.

[njhoya78]

Nov 28, 2016 14:27:25 GMT -5 homeonthehilltop said:

How does Trey go from getting 11 quality minutes against Duke last year to 0 minutes against Howard this year?

Agau, perhaps?

[hoyasaxa2003]

Nov 28, 2016 14:27:25 GMT -5 homeonthehilltop said:

How does Trey go from getting 11 quality minutes against Duke last year to 0 minutes against Howard this year?

I think it's a few factors:

(1) The front court is more crowded this year with Agau, Hayes, Govan, and Derrickson. I think it's safe to say all four are above Trey Mourning on the depth chart. This doesn't leave much time for him.

(2) At least yesterday, Agau was playing well, and JT3 clearly wanted to get Derrickson some solid minutes. Derrickson is way more important to this team than Mourning, and he should get those minutes.

(3) Our main rotations aren't playing well. You need them to improve and that I think, is what is keeping Mourning's time down. I also assume what's seen in practice affects his playing time. JT3 isn't intentionally suppressing somebody who can help us.