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Post by johnnysnowplow on Nov 23, 2016 20:32:32 GMT -5
It's getting increasingly difficult to give a crap about watching these games. My father said it best after last game: "It's gonna be a chore to watch this team this year."
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Nov 23, 2016 21:12:45 GMT -5
This is currently my favorite thread.
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Post by nenasdad on Nov 23, 2016 21:17:15 GMT -5
Call me a fair weather fan, call me bandwagon, whatever you will. Sure, I was a season ticket holder for ten years before I moved out of the DC area, and have continued to watch every game on TV, but who cares. I'm done. I will still watch Hoyas games when I have nothing else going on, I will still generally pull for my team. But I will do so with no emotional investment. I won't yell at the screen when we get embarrassed by some mid major or blow a sure thing in the last minute. But nor will I whoop and holler when things go our way. I'll watch a Hoyas game for the same reason I'd watch a Gonzaga game, or a Duke game, or a Southern Illinois game--because its on. We keep saying that the team has hit rock bottom, but then the team just seems to find a new way to dig deeper. Nothing was learned from last year, or the year before, etc. But its clear everyone else has this team's (and coach's) number. And I can't keep putting myself out there just to find myself in the same spot, emotionally spent following the progressively accelerating train crash that is this team in the years since 2007. My sanity is more important than this. I can be persuaded to come back on board. But it would seem to be increasingly unlikely that JTIII has the ability to turn this ship around.
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Post by nenasdad on Nov 23, 2016 21:18:15 GMT -5
Call me a fair weather fan, call me bandwagon, whatever you will. Sure, I was a season ticket holder for ten years before I moved out of the DC area, and have continued to watch every game on TV, but who cares. I'm done. I will still watch Hoyas games when I have nothing else going on, I will still generally pull for my team. But I will do so with no emotional investment. I won't yell at the screen when we get embarrassed by some mid major or blow a sure thing in the last minute. But nor will I whoop and holler when things go our way. I'll watch a Hoyas game for the same reason I'd watch a Gonzaga game, or a Duke game, or a Southern Illinois game--because its on. We keep saying that the team has hit rock bottom, but then the team just seems to find a new way to dig deeper. Nothing was learned from last year, or the year before, etc. But its clear everyone else has this team's (and coach's) number. And I can't keep putting myself out there just to find myself in the same spot, emotionally spent following the progressively accelerating train crash that is this team in the years since 2007. My sanity is more important than this. I can be persuaded to come back on board. But it would seem to be increasingly unlikely that JTIII has the ability to turn this ship around. To be honest I also have been struggling with this. I first became a hoya fan when Zo came to the hilltop and loved that tough attitude, in your face style of play. Living in CT it was clearly an unpopular choice as CT was just starting to get some big wins and everyone was becoming a husky fan. I stayed a loyal fan into high school thru the exciting Iverson/Page years and into college with the Braswell teams. Even though we look down on those teams I have fond memories of hard fought games and some exciting NIT run's. I clearly had no problem bringing in a Thompson and hoped for that fire and paranoia to return. Returning to the final four was amazing and I get JT3 his credit. That final four team and the year after that was probably the last hoya team(s) I really enjoyed watching. The Wallace, Hibbert, Green and later without Green were must watch and capable of great things. Clearly we ran into one of the best players in the world in Curry against Davidson and we lost, so be it. Since then for whatever reason Ive disliked the subsequent teams. The Freeman teams, chris wrights teams, henry sims and lubicks of the world have been bitter disappointments. There has been a lack of consistency and fire and IMO a lack of leadership. Maybe its because I'm in a different stage in my life, 39 years old, married with a wild 3 year old? Maybe I don't have the time to dedicate as I once did? I find this with Baseball. I used to watch 150 plus yankee games through college, now I find that impossible. I am relegated to watching a few innings per game and reading a box score..... Thank God for football is all I can say. One game a week and only 16 game season plus playoffs.. Back to hoops- Maybe its just me but I watch the games this year and I don't even get mad. I expect crushing defeats and JT3 to not make many adjustments. I thought this year would be different with the new talent that was brought in here. All this being said, my finger is pointed squarely at JT3 's chest. I think we should try to go in a different direction. When losses like this are expected to teams like that its time to go. Maybe 3 needs a change of venue with less pressure where he can be his own man and not look at a statue everytime he walks into his practice facility. just my 2 cents
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Post by nenasdad on Nov 23, 2016 21:20:17 GMT -5
There is only one solution and everyone knows what it is except the inept Georgetown administration!
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Post by lurkerhoya on Nov 23, 2016 21:21:09 GMT -5
I just got back from Buy Buy Baby. It was a lovely little friday night...
What did I miss?
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Post by strummer8526 on Nov 23, 2016 21:23:43 GMT -5
We're going to lose by 30 points to a good but not great OKSt team, and I see no indication that our coach cares. Why should I?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 23, 2016 22:08:47 GMT -5
You should have stayed at Buy Buy Baby. I can only describe the game as a full Diaper Genie.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 24, 2016 0:09:38 GMT -5
We're going to lose by 30 points to a good but not great OKSt team, and I see no indication that our coach cares. Why should I? Listen, I think it's fair to criticize JT3, but to say he doesn't care is idiotic. Clearly, looking at him on the sidelines and in his comments, he cares. Don't you think he realizes this year is important for him too? Like I said, there are plenty of fair criticisms - but saying he doesn't care is disingenuous because you have absolutely no basis for that assertion.
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Post by thor50 on Nov 26, 2016 12:01:26 GMT -5
I am a long time Hoya Fan going back to JTII's early years - Merlin Wilson, D. Jackson , etc. I, like others on this thread , have simply stopped caring about the team. I understand that JTIII is a fine man, a good representative of the University but the simple fact is that he can't coach. His teams throughout the years have been unprepared and disorganized. If they are not up by at least 10 with 2 minutes to go, they will likely lose the game. I get the sense that he panics at game's end and his players reflect this lack of composure.
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 26, 2016 12:47:27 GMT -5
I will still root for the team to win any and every basketball game they are in. I still root for the players to be positive representatives of the university. I still root for the coach to improve his trade and spread the Hoya way in a sport where other coaches and teams cut corners.
As far as when the team loses, that is never enough for me to turn by back on my support. This is still just a game even if it is hopefully played a high level. No one is perfect, so flaws can always be found...I prefer to not dwell on the flaws outside of seeing them as areas of improvement. Even the teams that everyone loves to 'member (84/85, 07, etc) had flaws.
Do I watch the games with a perspective grounded in reality more then blind passion? As losses pile up, yes. Going into Maui, I was expecting a 1-2 week based on our first 3 games. The fact that that 1 win was a top 25 team is icing on the cake. The fact that we lost to 2 teams is irrelevant to me.
Loses are just as part of any game as wins. If it's too difficult for people to get over loses, maybe emotional disinvestment is the right course of action. For example, my father (another Hoya alumni, currently has season tickets) pretty much stopped watching most Hoya games during the Esh era because he couldn't watch the games without a high level of emotion. For him, this current performance isn't as bad as those years but maybe he's learned in his old age that not everything requires 100% emotion.
All that said, people need to keep in mind that this is a game, the players are kids, the opponents want to win just as badly as we do, and no one (or team) is perfect. You can root for the team to win and not be an emotional wreck at the end if they lose. Save that for life events like losing a job unexpectedly or family passing away.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 27, 2016 10:38:28 GMT -5
I watch the games for enjoyment. Right now they are not that enjoyable to watch. Thus, I watch less.
Win or lose, the sun comes up tomorrow and life goes on.
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Post by michaelgrahamfan on Nov 27, 2016 19:00:51 GMT -5
Please note that all players in Div I college may be characterized as kids. There is nothing wrong to holding your team to a high standard especially based upon or history, recruiting success and the assets which the university has allocated to this program (which they expect to recoup handsomely from alumni if the term is successful). All coaches have the responsibility to organize, instruct and motivate their players. I have seen little if any of those areas of responsibility over the past two seasons. When it becomes apparent that a coach has lost his team, there is a responsibility to recognize same and move on. JT III has been treated very well by this university. Let's hope that this good and decent man does not let his pride rule the day.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 27, 2016 19:40:17 GMT -5
Please note that all players in Div I college may be characterized as kids. There is nothing wrong to holding your team to a high standard especially based upon or history, recruiting success and the assets which the university has allocated to this program (which they expect to recoup handsomely from alumni if the term is successful). All coaches have the responsibility to organize, instruct and motivate their players. I have seen little if any of those areas of responsibility over the past two seasons. When it becomes apparent that a coach has lost his team, there is a responsibility to recognize same and move on. JT III has been treated very well by this university. Let's hope that this good and decent man does not let his pride rule the day. There is no evidence that he has "lost his team", but that is a tepid attempt to advance your narrative. There are glaring problems that need to be fixed. A huge difference.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 27, 2016 20:06:40 GMT -5
Please note that all players in Div I college may be characterized as kids. There is nothing wrong to holding your team to a high standard especially based upon or history, recruiting success and the assets which the university has allocated to this program (which they expect to recoup handsomely from alumni if the term is successful). All coaches have the responsibility to organize, instruct and motivate their players. I have seen little if any of those areas of responsibility over the past two seasons. When it becomes apparent that a coach has lost his team, there is a responsibility to recognize same and move on. JT III has been treated very well by this university. Let's hope that this good and decent man does not let his pride rule the day. There is no evidence that he had "lost his team", but that is a tepid attempt to advance your narrative. There are glaring problems that need to be fixed. A huge difference. With that attendance, he might have lost the fans. Lets see how many students show up for 0-7 Coppin State this week.
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Post by drquigley on Nov 27, 2016 21:54:47 GMT -5
Like all of you I am upset at what I see on the court. But unlike many of you I don't put the blame on Jt3's in game coaching or his "attitude". I simply look at the players he has recruited and ask myself, "who thought these kids could play at this level?" Since Otto we have recruited only one player (LJ Peak) who has any hope of playing in the NBA. For the past 5 years we have desperately been looking for a true point guard. After last year we got so desperate we had to look at a JC transfer. And yet, we still have no one who can run the offense, who can take over a game, and who we can go to in the last 3 minutes of a game. Now it looks like we have a real problem at center. For the first time in the JT2 and JT3 era we have no big man who can protect the paint. In short, despite his best efforts, JT3 has failed to find the players needed to make the program competitive.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 27, 2016 22:02:12 GMT -5
There is no evidence that he had "lost his team", but that is a tepid attempt to advance your narrative. There are glaring problems that need to be fixed. A huge difference. With that attendance, he might have lost the fans. Lets see how many students show up for 0-7 Coppin State this week. The team has been playing poorly but it's also a game during a break against Howard. Not exactly must see TV, much less in person, for a, largely, fair weather fanbase.
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 27, 2016 23:44:22 GMT -5
With that attendance, he might have lost the fans. Lets see how many students show up for 0-7 Coppin State this week. The team has been playing poorly but it's also a game during a break against Howard. Not exactly must see TV, much less in person, for a, largely, fair weather fanbase. I get it's a break but who's going to show up for this. Call it fair weather but it's been a team that hasn't really competed for anything meaningful in many seasons.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 27, 2016 23:55:30 GMT -5
The team has been playing poorly but it's also a game during a break against Howard. Not exactly must see TV, much less in person, for a, largely, fair weather fanbase. I get it's a break but who's going to show up for this. Call it fair weather but it's been a team that hasn't really competed for anything meaningful in many seasons. Fans that aren't fair-weather. I thought that was clear. For perspective, see Knicks fans.
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 28, 2016 0:00:44 GMT -5
I get it's a break but who's going to show up for this. Call it fair weather but it's been a team that hasn't really competed for anything meaningful in many seasons. Fans that aren't fair-weather. I thought that was clear. For perspective, see Knicks fans. That's apples and oranges. Professional sports bases in many cities won't give up season tickets so it doesn't matter the performance. Also, college fan bases without much choice in much else tend to support their team. The big difference in both of the above is they would continue to make changes if they under performed to at least give the illusion of caring about winning.
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