the_way
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Post by the_way on Nov 18, 2016 15:41:15 GMT -5
Yeah....casual fans never pay attention, but they pay the big bucks if it is the "cool thing".
Die-hards are with the team, good, bad, and ugly. Like this guy:
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 18, 2016 20:10:43 GMT -5
Been a Browns fan for 51 years, since 65 - the year AFTER their last title. I feel his pain. Every Sunday for 51 years.
This Hoya bump in the road?? Small potatoes my friends.
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Nov 19, 2016 15:36:43 GMT -5
Call me a fair weather fan, call me bandwagon, whatever you will. Sure, I was a season ticket holder for ten years before I moved out of the DC area, and have continued to watch every game on TV, but who cares. I'm done. I will still watch Hoyas games when I have nothing else going on, I will still generally pull for my team. But I will do so with no emotional investment. I won't yell at the screen when we get embarrassed by some mid major or blow a sure thing in the last minute. But nor will I whoop and holler when things go our way. I'll watch a Hoyas game for the same reason I'd watch a Gonzaga game, or a Duke game, or a Southern Illinois game--because its on. We keep saying that the team has hit rock bottom, but then the team just seems to find a new way to dig deeper. Nothing was learned from last year, or the year before, etc. But its clear everyone else has this team's (and coach's) number. And I can't keep putting myself out there just to find myself in the same spot, emotionally spent following the progressively accelerating train crash that is this team in the years since 2007. My sanity is more important than this. I can be persuaded to come back on board. But it would seem to be increasingly unlikely that JTIII has the ability to turn this ship around. To be honest I also have been struggling with this. I first became a hoya fan when Zo came to the hilltop and loved that tough attitude, in your face style of play. Living in CT it was clearly an unpopular choice as CT was just starting to get some big wins and everyone was becoming a husky fan. I stayed a loyal fan into high school thru the exciting Iverson/Page years and into college with the Braswell teams. Even though we look down on those teams I have fond memories of hard fought games and some exciting NIT run's. I clearly had no problem bringing in a Thompson and hoped for that fire and paranoia to return. Returning to the final four was amazing and I get JT3 his credit. That final four team and the year after that was probably the last hoya team(s) I really enjoyed watching. The Wallace, Hibbert, Green and later without Green were must watch and capable of great things. Clearly we ran into one of the best players in the world in Curry against Davidson and we lost, so be it. Since then for whatever reason Ive disliked the subsequent teams. The Freeman teams, chris wrights teams, henry sims and lubicks of the world have been bitter disappointments. There has been a lack of consistency and fire and IMO a lack of leadership. Maybe its because I'm in a different stage in my life, 39 years old, married with a wild 3 year old? Maybe I don't have the time to dedicate as I once did? I find this with Baseball. I used to watch 150 plus yankee games through college, now I find that impossible. I am relegated to watching a few innings per game and reading a box score..... Thank God for football is all I can say. One game a week and only 16 game season plus playoffs.. Back to hoops- Maybe its just me but I watch the games this year and I don't even get mad. I expect crushing defeats and JT3 to not make many adjustments. I thought this year would be different with the new talent that was brought in here. All this being said, my finger is pointed squarely at JT3 's chest. I think we should try to go in a different direction. When losses like this are expected to teams like that its time to go. Maybe 3 needs a change of venue with less pressure where he can be his own man and not look at a statue everytime he walks into his practice facility. just my 2 cents
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Nov 19, 2016 21:16:12 GMT -5
You have to give JT3 some slack. If Freeman stays healthy his last two years he could have led his team to a BE championship and a deep NCAA run. Also Chris Wright doesn't get hurt last game of season we could have made some post season noise. And I really think JT3 was blindsided by Otto leaving early. I feel your pain but I think that like Nova, if we get lucky with some not highly recruited guys who bloom late and hang around (Ochefu, Jenkins, Hart) I think JT3 will turn this ship around.
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Nov 19, 2016 22:15:48 GMT -5
You have to give JT3 some slack. If Freeman stays healthy his last two years he could have led his team to a BE championship and a deep NCAA run. Also Chris Wright doesn't get hurt last game of season we could have made some post season noise. And I really think JT3 was blindsided by Otto leaving early. I feel your pain but I think that like Nova, if we get lucky with some not highly recruited guys who bloom late and hang around (Ochefu, Jenkins, Hart) I think JT3 will turn this ship around. yikes. So the plan is to get some poorly-ranked recruits and hope they turn into national POY candidates? We still wouldn't have a chance because we're the worst in-game coached team in the country.
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Post by bicentennial on Nov 19, 2016 23:06:00 GMT -5
I think we should all be questioning what is going on with the team. The last game raised so many questions. Are a number of players unhealthy? Is Thompson sitting players other than Copeland who don't give their all on D? Is Cameron done? Not that his 5 points and poor three point shooting can't be replaced but why is our only senior leaving the team. And why have all the players we brought in as three point shooters failed to develop into decent three point shooters over tha last 5 years? Why do guards on mid and low major opposing teams drive at will into the lane and score layups surrounded by our players and our guards our all experts at charging?
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 20, 2016 10:31:19 GMT -5
I think we should all be questioning what is going on with the team. The last game raised so many questions. Are a number of players unhealthy? At least 2 are unhealthy plus 1 suspended Is Thompson sitting players other than Copeland who don't give their all on D? Yes, Tre was sat the entire 2nd half Is Cameron done? Who knows but he wouldn't have PT this year Not that his 5 points and poor three point shooting can't be replaced but why is our only senior leaving the team. Hayes and Pryor are also seniors And why have all the players we brought in as three point shooters failed to develop into decent three point shooters over tha last 5 years? Shooting is a large dose confidence and the switch from HS to College is hard mentally, no excuse those, good mechanics are good mechanics Why do guards on mid and low major opposing teams drive at will into the lane and score layups surrounded by our players and our guards our all experts at charging? The rules of the current game HIGHLY favor quick, speedy guards on offense...very few teams can defend that See answers in bold. They may not be the right answers or the answers that you are looking for but we likely wont have a clearer picture until we're further then 3 games into the season.
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Post by bicentennial on Nov 20, 2016 12:49:02 GMT -5
I think we should all be questioning what is going on with the team. The last game raised so many questions. Are a number of players unhealthy? At least 2 are unhealthy plus 1 suspended Is Thompson sitting players other than Copeland who don't give their all on D? Yes, Tre was sat the entire 2nd half Is Cameron done? Who knows but he wouldn't have PT this year Not that his 5 points and poor three point shooting can't be replaced but why is our only senior leaving the team. Hayes and Pryor are also seniors And why have all the players we brought in as three point shooters failed to develop into decent three point shooters over tha last 5 years? Shooting is a large dose confidence and the switch from HS to College is hard mentally, no excuse those, good mechanics are good mechanics Why do guards on mid and low major opposing teams drive at will into the lane and score layups surrounded by our players and our guards our all experts at charging? The rules of the current game HIGHLY favor quick, speedy guards on offense...very few teams can defend that See answers in bold. They may not be the right answers or the answers that you are looking for but we likely wont have a clearer picture until we're further then 3 games into the season. 5th years are not seniors, they're grad students! But I agree with most of your answers except the last one which is that speedy guards are favored by the new rules. Other teams manage either to funnel the quick guards into a wall of guards/forwards or into a center the guard can't shoot over. When that happened last year to our team, inevitably our centers seemed to get called for fouls? This year we seem to step out of the way for an uncontested layup! So, do our players not know what verticality means or don't the refs? And I grew up in the 80s. I remember players like Broadnax and Graham! If we're going to get called for a foul why doesn't the guard on the opposing team have a sore arm that hurts not only for the rest of the game but also for the next week? I am not advocating playing dirty or hurting other players but if you're going to foul shouldn't it at least alter the trajectory of their shot?
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 20, 2016 17:36:55 GMT -5
See answers in bold. They may not be the right answers or the answers that you are looking for but we likely wont have a clearer picture until we're further then 3 games into the season. 5th years are not seniors, they're grad students! But I agree with most of your answers except the last one which is that speedy guards are favored by the new rules. Other teams manage either to funnel the quick guards into a wall of guards/forwards or into a center the guard can't shoot over. When that happened last year to our team, inevitably our centers seemed to get called for fouls? This year we seem to step out of the way for an uncontested layup! So, do our players not know what verticality means or don't the refs? And I grew up in the 80s. I remember players like Broadnax and Graham! If we're going to get called for a foul why doesn't the guard on the opposing team have a sore arm that hurts not only for the rest of the game but also for the next week? I am not advocating playing dirty or hurting other players but if you're going to foul shouldn't it at least alter the trajectory of their shot? Academically they're grad students by per NCAA they're called 5th year seniors. I do agree with your response to my last answer. When I said difficult to defend, I meant 1on1. As you mentioned, teams know how to scheme for those sort of players, we just somehow screw it up. I think verticality doesn't truly exist anymore. It used to be that body contact was ok but contact with your hands/arms was a foul...that's not true any more. Any sort of impeidement of any type (either on the dribble or shot) is considered a foul.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Nov 20, 2016 19:16:35 GMT -5
You have to give JT3 some slack. If Freeman stays healthy his last two years he could have led his team to a BE championship and a deep NCAA run. Also Chris Wright doesn't get hurt last game of season we could have made some post season noise. And I really think JT3 was blindsided by Otto leaving early. I feel your pain but I think that like Nova, if we get lucky with some not highly recruited guys who bloom late and hang around (Ochefu, Jenkins, Hart) I think JT3 will turn this ship around. yikes. So the plan is to get some poorly-ranked recruits and hope they turn into national POY candidates? We still wouldn't have a chance because we're the worst in-game coached team in the country. No, the answer is to get some top recruits who live up to their hype and hopefully some recruits who exceed expectations. This is exactly what happened 10 years ago. Jeff Green was a top recruit, Roy Hibbert was a joke. But Jeff lived up to the hype and Hibbert grew into an NBA first rounder. And we went to the final four.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 20, 2016 19:50:21 GMT -5
yikes. So the plan is to get some poorly-ranked recruits and hope they turn into national POY candidates? We still wouldn't have a chance because we're the worst in-game coached team in the country. No, the answer is to get some top recruits who live up to their hype and hopefully some recruits who exceed expectations. This is exactly what happened 10 years ago. Jeff Green was a top recruit, Roy Hibbert was a joke. But Jeff lived up to the hype and Hibbert grew into an NBA first rounder. And we went to the final four. That's not a plan, that's divine intervention. Need a more systematic approach for this program. I don't think this staff knows what they are looking for in fitting the pieces together. Their only really success came primarily from players they weren't responsible for recruiting.
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Post by bicentennial on Nov 20, 2016 19:52:39 GMT -5
yikes. So the plan is to get some poorly-ranked recruits and hope they turn into national POY candidates? We still wouldn't have a chance because we're the worst in-game coached team in the country. No, the answer is to get some top recruits who live up to their hype and hopefully some recruits who exceed expectations. This is exactly what happened 10 years ago. Jeff Green was a top recruit, Roy Hibbert was a joke. But Jeff lived up to the hype and Hibbert grew into an NBA first rounder. And we went to the final four. Hibbert exceeded expectations but no one over 7 foot is a joke when it comes to basketball. You can't teach height. We need to find someone over 6'9" with open growth plates or over 7' with closed ones to join us next year!
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Nov 21, 2016 8:21:23 GMT -5
yikes. So the plan is to get some poorly-ranked recruits and hope they turn into national POY candidates? We still wouldn't have a chance because we're the worst in-game coached team in the country. No, the answer is to get some top recruits who live up to their hype and hopefully some recruits who exceed expectations. This is exactly what happened 10 years ago. Jeff Green was a top recruit, Roy Hibbert was a joke. But Jeff lived up to the hype and Hibbert grew into an NBA first rounder. And we went to the final four. It would be nice, I agree. I just don't see any track record of this, or any reason to expect that JT3 is better suited to make it happen than any other coach. We've not only whiffed on a huge percentage of recruits, but we've also had some of those ~75-200 ranked recruits that have gone on to be quite successful...at other schools.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Nov 21, 2016 10:57:08 GMT -5
LET'S GO HOYAS! BEAT OREGON!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 11:19:17 GMT -5
LET'S GO HOYAS! BEAT OREGON!!! Amen, Glide. That's really the only thing left to be said until the final whistle tonight.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Nov 21, 2016 11:27:39 GMT -5
LET'S GO HOYAS! BEAT OREGON!!! Amen, Glide. That's really the only thing left to be said until the final whistle tonight. HOYA SAXA! STAY FOCUSED!
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lichoya68
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OK YOUNGINS ARE HERE AND ARE VERY VERY GOOD cant wait GO HOYAS
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 21, 2016 11:34:20 GMT -5
gotta believe was a mets fan in the 60's then jets vs baltimore colts |MUST WIN TWO IN Hawaii yup thats it GO HOYAS bleed blue and gray. one point or OT we will see
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Post by MassHoya on Nov 21, 2016 14:56:17 GMT -5
I can't/won't give up rooting for the Hoyas. It's part of who I am. I go back to Jack Magee days and NIT days v Pistol Pete. College basketball is a lot different than when Patrick suited up and Pops coached him but loyalty to your school has not. Do I see flaws in III's coaching? Of course I do, and acknowledge there may be changes if there is not improvement this year. Also, there may be no changes. Regardless, when the Hoyas come out on the court each and every time, I will be rooting for them. No changing now. Too many great memories, too much pride in the fine men Georgetown has turned out, too much enjoyment to to walk away from.
GO HOYAS!!! BEAT THE DUCKS!!!
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Nov 21, 2016 20:52:37 GMT -5
No, the answer is to get some top recruits who live up to their hype and hopefully some recruits who exceed expectations. This is exactly what happened 10 years ago. Jeff Green was a top recruit, Roy Hibbert was a joke. But Jeff lived up to the hype and Hibbert grew into an NBA first rounder. And we went to the final four. Hibbert exceeded expectations but no one over 7 foot is a joke when it comes to basketball. You can't teach height. We need to find someone over 6'9" with open growth plates or over 7' with closed ones to join us next year! Did you ever see Hibbert his freshman year? JT2 actually laughed at him. He could barely run up and down the court without tripping. No way anyone imagined he would ever be more than a defensive role player. No way they thought he would be an NBA first rounder. I stand by my statement. We will never be able to recruit 2-3 McDonald all americans. So we need to get the most out of the studs we do catch and hope some not heavily recruited players are late bloomers.
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Post by DownTownJoeyBrown on Nov 23, 2016 20:11:51 GMT -5
Call me a fair weather fan, call me bandwagon, whatever you will. Sure, I was a season ticket holder for ten years before I moved out of the DC area, and have continued to watch every game on TV, but who cares. I'm done. I will still watch Hoyas games when I have nothing else going on, I will still generally pull for my team. But I will do so with no emotional investment. I won't yell at the screen when we get embarrassed by some mid major or blow a sure thing in the last minute. But nor will I whoop and holler when things go our way. I'll watch a Hoyas game for the same reason I'd watch a Gonzaga game, or a Duke game, or a Southern Illinois game--because its on. We keep saying that the team has hit rock bottom, but then the team just seems to find a new way to dig deeper. Nothing was learned from last year, or the year before, etc. But its clear everyone else has this team's (and coach's) number. And I can't keep putting myself out there just to find myself in the same spot, emotionally spent following the progressively accelerating train crash that is this team in the years since 2007. My sanity is more important than this. I can be persuaded to come back on board. But it would seem to be increasingly unlikely that JTIII has the ability to turn this ship around. This is really well said. I have been going to games since I was a toddler,over 30 years now, and have been diehard fan and season ticket holder. At the end of that Maryland game something inside me broke and any chance of a repair was was washed away with Arkansas State. I am so tired of defending III and of history repeating itself over and over again. It's time for change. I just don't care anymore. Really sad when your most loyal fans can't take it anymore.
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