SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Nov 16, 2016 0:32:04 GMT -5
I literally threw up right after the game. True story.... I think it was the Panda Express though and not the Hoyas. I like the way we competed. if we stay committed to this style of play think we'll be fine even though it hurts right now... It is a radical change, and it's gonna take a little time. Guys have to buy in and keep working at it, but I think you are right. I sure hope so, anyway.
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Nov 16, 2016 0:34:21 GMT -5
I also wanted to note that Turgeon nearly torpedoed the game with his stupid technical. So for those talking about his intensity don't forget he almost single handedly lost the game for his team and he wasn't even on the court. Except for the fact that the refs proceeded to call 4 (I think) fouls on us in the next two minutes to start to even things up. That tech worked like a charm. Yeah, and at least 2 of them were real head-scratchers. Always the sign of a bad crew when they feel the need to make up for something they've done (as opposed to things players have done) on the court.
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 16, 2016 0:41:50 GMT -5
Very telling as I watch SC with SVP and the big production they did last year after the GTOWN - Maryland game. Hasn't been one mention that Maryland and Georgetown even played tonight. I know that's killing him.
Still going to impact the casual audience as our games get not attention.
BE needs to raise the profile.
Save the ESPN argument as this is where most get their sports news as FOX hasn't penetrated the casual fan enough.
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 16, 2016 0:46:49 GMT -5
You must've missed it...I saw it mentioned at least twice, although one of the times may have been during the Duke-Kansas post-game.
Agree with the rest though.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 16, 2016 1:16:13 GMT -5
Plus, last year's game was on ESPN, so for that reason alone it probably got more coverage. Maryland was also a top 10 team last year, which also merited more coverage.
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Post by deacon on Nov 16, 2016 2:30:40 GMT -5
The Maryland-Georgetown game led off his show right after the Duke-Kansas game.
Led off as in it was the FIRST thing in the show. A full highlight.
Y'all need to stop.
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Post by guru on Nov 16, 2016 4:42:52 GMT -5
Very telling as I watch SC with SVP and the big production they did last year after the GTOWN - Maryland game. Hasn't been one mention that Maryland and Georgetown even played tonight. I know that's killing him. Still going to impact the casual audience as our games get not attention. BE needs to raise the profile. Save the ESPN argument as this is where most get their sports news as FOX hasn't penetrated the casual fan enough. It was the very first thing on the show, i.e. the game deemed the biggest/best of the night. This is a ridiculously wrong post even for yooj.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 16, 2016 6:15:52 GMT -5
I hope that's the last we've seen of those white uniforms this year...
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Post by richfame on Nov 16, 2016 6:50:20 GMT -5
I hope that's the last we've seen of those white uniforms this year... Totally agree! We should go back to Zo era uni's !
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 16, 2016 7:09:11 GMT -5
I think we can also shelve the "Hayes is an unnecessary part for this year's team" theory.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Nov 16, 2016 7:09:47 GMT -5
I haven't had the chance to read through everything, so I apologize for repetition. At the outset, let me say this: There are no moral victories at this level. That's especially true given the makeup of our roster. And it's particularly true given what happened last year. But that doesn't mean there can't be positives to take away from a loss (just as there would be negatives to take away if Rodney had pulled up and buried a three at the buzzer there).
Let's start with the obvious: the end-game was horrific. Literally nauseating. Some of it was some bad luck (a slip or two), but that simply can't happen. It'd be one thing if we missed some free throws or they made a bunch of threes. But the combination of idiotic turnovers and moronic fouls is no bueno. I'm not really sure what else you do in those situations -- except not stink and make stupid decisions. We had ball handlers on the court, and guys that can make free throws, so I'm not sure there's much in the way of personnel changing I'd do. One suggestion: Maybe in those end-game situations, it might make sense to have Jesse be the guy you inbound to. He's one of our best FT shooters. And he's got the height to deal with the trap. Maybe he's not strong enough with the ball, I don't know, and I get that it would be very unconventional. Just a thought. Obviously avoiding inbounding the ball toward the corner would be nice.
Rodney: Well, I wanted to see what would happen when his shots weren't all falling. And we saw. Four of twelve from the field. Five turnovers. No assists. With the exception of the wide open threes that he shot, really every outside shot he took wasn't a particularly good shot. I'm sure this will be discussed with him because it's obvious (and I did see III once motion to him to slow down): he has to make better decisions with the ball, and that means looking to give it up. If he makes a couple better decisions earlier in the game, we win. Easily. That said: We're going to have to live with some questionable shots if we're going to encourage picking up the pace. The two go hand in hand.
LJ: And if LJ avoids the touch fouls and stays on the court, we probably win easily! To me, he's the key to the season. He's capable of defending very effectively, but he has to stay on the floor. He's a good outside shooter and he takes good shots from out there. And he's really the only guy that can consistently finish (at least right now) around the rim on hard drives. He played an excellent offensive game.
Ike: Oh boy. I'll start with the positive. I loved the post game thinking. His up and under moves were great, and hopefully that pays dividends. But he was 3-14 from the field! A lot of them were from point blank range, and there were at least two wide open threes too. I just don't get giving him 37 minutes under those conditions.
The offense overall: This is what people were asking for, no? It was a bit disjointed at the beginning of the game, and we were missing a lot of interior shots. But the point is that we were taking the ball off the bounce hard to the basket repeatedly. (Rodney was the only one jacking up outside shots at that stage.) We're going to have to get better at the "kick" part of "drive and kick" though. We only shot fifteen threes (which isn't a ton in this era), and very few of those were off of penetration kicks. Instead of looking for the three, we tried to make the difficult interior pass too often. It would sure help if our bigs could finish (or hold onto the ball) a bit more. This all takes practice, timing, and the ability to finish in traffic. I don't know whether it will come or not! Maybe people were upset that it still featured Princeton principles. But if you're upset about that, you're just an unhappy person. If you watch carefully, I don't believe we ever went more than one pass without a PNR coming. And at least half the time we ran sets with no Princeton components at all that featured quick-hitting down screens to get a penetrator (often Ike) the ball. And we drew a ton of fouls. Sure, some of them were BS, but those are the sort of BS calls that we've had against us the past couple of years. That's the era we're in, and it'll be good to take advantage of it.
Half-court defense: It is definitely better than last year. I know we couldn't keep Melo out of the lane, but no one can. I would have liked to have seen us back off him a bit, but you do that, and you're leaving him open for threes. Our bigs still don't help as well as they could. And I just think Ike is a bad overall defender; that's not going to change.
The press / coaching: I also said at the outset that I thought it would be interesting to see how Coach handled a team that seemed able to break the press at times. I thought he failed there. We too infrequently changed defenses. It wasn't like we tried the 1-2-1-1 press and they carved it up three times in a row for layups. They broke the run and jump with ease, so why not try something else? I thought Ike played too much and Marcus not enough. I would have liked to have seen Kaleb in there taking a bit more of Tre or Mulmore's time. But that's a quibble. One coaching positive and a rejoinder to those who continually say "he never makes adjustments": This was the first time in a long time that I thought our team really tried to exploit matchups. It didn't always work! But we were really trying to identify where the offensive advantage was and quickly get that guy the ball. I thought that was a positive.
I hate Maryland. With a passion. More than I hate Syracuse. So, this one really, really, really stung. But all is not nearly lost. I do think we're better than last year. We have a lot more options.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 16, 2016 7:10:55 GMT -5
I think we can also shelve the "Hayes is an unnecessary part for this year's team" theory. Agree but he wouldnt have been on the floor for that last minute regardless...
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Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 16, 2016 7:11:51 GMT -5
Also thank god they play Thursday. They need to get last night out of their heads as quickly as possible.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 16, 2016 7:14:04 GMT -5
I think we can also shelve the "Hayes is an unnecessary part for this year's team" theory. Agree but he wouldnt have been on the floor for that last minute regardless... Why?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 16, 2016 7:17:13 GMT -5
I think we can also shelve the "Hayes is an unnecessary part for this year's team" theory. Agree but he wouldnt have been on the floor for that last minute regardless... Probably true - I was thinking more about the fact that Jessie and Akoy are still defensive liabilities, and also have limited post games. Not saying B. is a future NBA draft choice or anything - but we still need what he can give us at times.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 16, 2016 7:18:04 GMT -5
Agree but he wouldnt have been on the floor for that last minute regardless... Why? Im not saying right or wrong. I'm assuming JT3 plays Govan because of FT shooting, he clearly showed last night that is his thought process in a close game. If not why is Kaleb and Mosely not in there if the intent was stopping them from scoring. He clearly hoped we would win at the FT line. I guess either way Govan wasnt the ultimate reason we loss last night and nor would have Hayes.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 16, 2016 7:19:30 GMT -5
Did we have a time-out remaining before that last play? I was watching the game at a bar and could not hear the game.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 16, 2016 7:21:56 GMT -5
Did we have a time-out remaining before that last play? I was watching the game at a bar and could not hear the game. I believe we did. Assume not taken to prevent MD from setting its defense.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 16, 2016 7:27:46 GMT -5
As in many of JT3's years at GU, we need an inbound play for end-game situations with full-court pressure. No longer do we have the "give it to DSR" one. JT3 has good FT shooters. We need a new strategy that works.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 16, 2016 7:36:50 GMT -5
As in many of JT3's years at GU, we need an inbound play for end-game situations with full-court pressure. No longer do we have the "give it to DSR" one. JT3 has good FT shooters. We need a new strategy that works. Totally agree here. You know the trap is coming, it feels we are either shocked every time or show no composure. MD ran a really good press break on us earlier by almost immediately passing back to the inbounder. It worked extremely well.
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