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Post by eagle54 on Oct 20, 2016 23:37:29 GMT -5
AI was before your time? When were you born as he's not been gone that long. I'd say other than Patrick Ewing he is the most important player this program has had in its history and beyond Georgetown will be the biggest player this program has had. Greatest player I watched in person. Yo... Eagle. Cool your jets man. DFW was referring to the recruit beenaround mentioned.... "Al", not AI.... Al, as in Al Dutch, also known as Al Dutch Treat! Thanks for clarifying. Didn't know we had an Al and AI. Apologies for that. What the hell are you people even talking about though, I guess Al Dutch.
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 20, 2016 23:44:34 GMT -5
Just to stir memories from the older crowd..how about comparable to signing as Al Dutch?? Dutch was an important signing, but the situation was different. JT signed Merlin Wilson and Jonathan Smith (and 3-4 other top DC kids) his first season at GU. Their talent level far surpassed anyone who had played at GU before them - at least in then recent years. Subsequently, Derrick Jackson came in - 2 years later. GU was a program on the rise with increasing talent on the team and better play on the court. Getting Dutch enhanced an already rising program. Our current situation is much different. A faltering program, very disappointing 2015/16 season, no top PG recruits for some time, the shine off the BE, disappointing offense, atrocious defense... ok, we all know the story. Yet, somehow, JT3 managed to persuade a really top level PG recruit to pass on KU, UK, IU, UConn & Duke, and choose GU. PG was definitely our weak link. Now we have two bridge players signed in the spring, and the first top flight PG recruit in years opting for our Hoyas. And he could put GU over the top in getting a couple of additional recruits. We have the opportunity to have a big "bounce back" season on the court, added to a brand new state-of-the-art facility for the first time ever, and a solid roster from 2-5, a couple of new additions to the staff - including former Hoya final Four PG Jon Wallace, and a head coach who says he wants to change the offense, and more speed and pacing. Very exciting times -- if you look at the upside and choose to "believe". Gosh I am hoping for a rebound for coach and team. Starting next month! Knowing Waters will be here the following year? Makes it a lot easier to believe the team is back on its feet.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Oct 21, 2016 7:20:15 GMT -5
Hard to quantify this one at the moment other than "huge."
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 21, 2016 12:46:56 GMT -5
FWIW, this was the first notification of any recruit we have gotten since I've had that type of app for the past couple of years so I viewed it as a big deal. My caution was it said this is the highest ranked recruit they have had since Isaac Copeland. i like Ike but he hasn't moved us forward but that may not be the player. Raises the age old question as I think he's been held back. What do you all think? On Copeland, I agree he hasn't lived up to his ranking, but I think that happens more than one would think (similarly, lower ranked players often perform above their ranking). I don't think he's moved us forward either; he certainly has not been a dominant player, and his defense is weak. With Copeland, I do think part of the issue is that upon coming into Georgetown people just assumed he'd be Otto Porter 2.0, and that has not happened. I think Copeland does have talent, and I don't think he's reached the height of that talent so far, so I think there's significant room for improvement. As far as being held back? I don't think so. I mean, he's played a ton, logging the most minutes of anyone other than DSR (which was aided by the fact that he doesn't foul much, and White's injury last year). I think he's had plenty of chances to shine, it just hasn't happened. Don't get me wrong - I think he's a player that could be very valuable for us. But he hasn't lived up to being a 5 star top 30ish recruit either.
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Post by 2ndRyan on Oct 21, 2016 13:46:45 GMT -5
Re the signing of Al Dutch, I was tempted to suggest Merlin Wilson who was the top-ranked player in DC in '72 and who still holds rebounding records. In retrospect, however, I agree, Al Dutch had more national notoriety.
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 21, 2016 20:39:37 GMT -5
Ben Bentil last year did what I had hoped that Copeland would do. Copeland's game seemed to stagnate, however, and he never approached that level. Hopefully this year....
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 22, 2016 5:57:19 GMT -5
Since I've been following this program here are my rankings of recruit commitments in order:
1) Mourning. His selection of the Hoyas was such big news in the local media that I decided to start paying attention to Georgetown despite not knowing much of anything about college hoops.
2)Iverson. It was surreal when I learned that this guy had picked the Hoyas. It seemed to come out of nowhere. If anything the buzz was that the local team that had a chance at him was George Washington because of Mike Jarvis' very public campaign in reaching out to Iverson.
3)Othella. People may have forgotten how huge this pickup was for JT and Gtown. It showed that Thompson still had it by getting the guy some saw as the #1 prospect in his class. And the Hoyas beat out nearly every SEC team in the process by getting O.
4)Greg Monroe. None of the gurus had him picking the Hoyas going into his senior season. For III to get a guy who was to many the top prospect of his class and to beat out Duke in the process spoke volumes and excited every member of the Hoya fanbase.
5)Austin Freeman. One of the most highly decorated players to come out of the DC area. His commitment suggested III and Gtown were the new kings and that Gary Williams and the Terp program were continuing their decline.
6)Anthony Perry. Big John's last high profile commitment. This guy was supposed to be the second coming of Gary Payton. A top 20 recruit and McDAA who could have gone anywhere.
7)Jeff Green. Esherick was on him early but as the relatively unknown Green kept blowing up there was concern that Maryland would swoop in and get him. And we were all elated and pumped when he picked the Hoyas.
8)Vernon Macklin. III's first McDAA. Seems silly now but at one time he was being hyped as the next in a long line of bigs from is part of Virginia which include Zo, JR Reid, Joe Smith, etc. A huge victory for III when he picked Georgetown.
9)Otto Porter. Gtown got in on him late and not many here thought he would pick the Hoyas especially as he kept rising in the rankings as his senior year progressed. His commitment meant a lot as III's program was beginning to falter and needed recruiting buzz.
10)Chris Wright. Even more decorated than Freeman in terms of how many years he was on a national and local radar. Adding him to the mix along with Freeman had us all imagining bigger things for the program.
Remains to be seen what impact Water's recruitment ends up having but in terms of generating excitement at least he doesn't quite match these.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Oct 24, 2016 8:43:46 GMT -5
Nice list, MCI. I might throw in a guy from McKinley Tech by way of Maine Central Institute who was a former WaPo All-Met Player of the Year. I think he was a bigger recruit than Wright, for instance. But that is just my $0.02. Still a great list.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Oct 24, 2016 17:05:30 GMT -5
Since I've been following this program here are my rankings of recruit commitments in order: 1) Mourning. His selection of the Hoyas was such big news in the local media that I decided to start paying attention to Georgetown despite not knowing much of anything about college hoops. 2)Iverson. It was surreal when I learned that this guy had picked the Hoyas. It seemed to come out of nowhere. If anything the buzz was that the local team that had a chance at him was George Washington because of Mike Jarvis' very public campaign in reaching out to Iverson. 3)Othella. People may have forgotten how huge this pickup was for JT and Gtown. It showed that Thompson still had it by getting the guy some saw as the #1 prospect in his class. And the Hoyas beat out nearly every SEC team in the process by getting O. 4)Greg Monroe. None of the gurus had him picking the Hoyas going into his senior season. For III to get a guy who was to many the top prospect of his class and to beat out Duke in the process spoke volumes and excited every member of the Hoya fanbase. 5)Austin Freeman. One of the most highly decorated players to come out of the DC area. His commitment suggested III and Gtown were the new kings and that Gary Williams and the Terp program were continuing their decline. 6)Anthony Perry. Big John's last high profile commitment. This guy was supposed to be the second coming of Gary Payton. A top 20 recruit and McDAA who could have gone anywhere. 7)Jeff Green. Esherick was on him early but as the relatively unknown Green kept blowing up there was concern that Maryland would swoop in and get him. And we were all elated and pumped when he picked the Hoyas. 8)Vernon Macklin. III's first McDAA. Seems silly now but at one time he was being hyped as the next in a long line of bigs from is part of Virginia which include Zo, JR Reid, Joe Smith, etc. A huge victory for III when he picked Georgetown. 9)Otto Porter. Gtown got in on him late and not many here thought he would pick the Hoyas especially as he kept rising in the rankings as his senior year progressed. His commitment meant a lot as III's program was beginning to falter and needed recruiting buzz. 10)Chris Wright. Even more decorated than Freeman in terms of how many years he was on a national and local radar. Adding him to the mix along with Freeman had us all imagining bigger things for the program. Remains to be seen what impact Water's recruitment ends up having but in terms of generating excitement at least he doesn't quite match these. Anthony Perry was a huge deal - too bad he never matched his hype.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Oct 24, 2016 17:42:09 GMT -5
Spot on list MCI. And agree with you on Othella being #3. He was a huge commitment, the next Corliss Williamson. I remember watching one of the major all star games and watching Othella and Hoya commit Duane Spencer play well.
And Hoyalove4ever, Anthony Tucker. Wish he would have worked out for the Hoyas because he had a solid career at Wake. Definitely could have had him in the top 10.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Oct 24, 2016 17:49:44 GMT -5
Actually hoyalove4ever, i got the wrong guy. Just noticed the by way of Maine Central Institute. Victor Page. Good call. Both Mckinley Tech guys could be in the top 10.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 25, 2016 12:06:56 GMT -5
Since I've been following this program here are my rankings of recruit commitments in order: 1) Mourning. His selection of the Hoyas was such big news in the local media that I decided to start paying attention to Georgetown despite not knowing much of anything about college hoops. 2)Iverson. It was surreal when I learned that this guy had picked the Hoyas. It seemed to come out of nowhere. If anything the buzz was that the local team that had a chance at him was George Washington because of Mike Jarvis' very public campaign in reaching out to Iverson. 3)Othella. People may have forgotten how huge this pickup was for JT and Gtown. It showed that Thompson still had it by getting the guy some saw as the #1 prospect in his class. And the Hoyas beat out nearly every SEC team in the process by getting O. 4)Greg Monroe. None of the gurus had him picking the Hoyas going into his senior season. For III to get a guy who was to many the top prospect of his class and to beat out Duke in the process spoke volumes and excited every member of the Hoya fanbase. 5)Austin Freeman. One of the most highly decorated players to come out of the DC area. His commitment suggested III and Gtown were the new kings and that Gary Williams and the Terp program were continuing their decline. 6)Anthony Perry. Big John's last high profile commitment. This guy was supposed to be the second coming of Gary Payton. A top 20 recruit and McDAA who could have gone anywhere. 7)Jeff Green. Esherick was on him early but as the relatively unknown Green kept blowing up there was concern that Maryland would swoop in and get him. And we were all elated and pumped when he picked the Hoyas. 8)Vernon Macklin. III's first McDAA. Seems silly now but at one time he was being hyped as the next in a long line of bigs from is part of Virginia which include Zo, JR Reid, Joe Smith, etc. A huge victory for III when he picked Georgetown. 9)Otto Porter. Gtown got in on him late and not many here thought he would pick the Hoyas especially as he kept rising in the rankings as his senior year progressed. His commitment meant a lot as III's program was beginning to falter and needed recruiting buzz. 10)Chris Wright. Even more decorated than Freeman in terms of how many years he was on a national and local radar. Adding him to the mix along with Freeman had us all imagining bigger things for the program. Remains to be seen what impact Water's recruitment ends up having but in terms of generating excitement at least he doesn't quite match these. Anthony Perry was a huge deal - too bad he never matched his hype. Blame the clearinghouse
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Oct 25, 2016 12:26:51 GMT -5
I do not think that one year was what hurt Perry...he just was not the same talent as projected.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Oct 25, 2016 12:53:23 GMT -5
I do not think that one year was what hurt Perry...he just was not the same talent as projected. Well, clearly that was his college coaches fault. (ducks)
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Post by BigmanU on Oct 25, 2016 12:56:23 GMT -5
Didn't AP have an injury (during his clearinghouse year)that limited his explosiveness?
He wasn't right when he suited up.
Please correct me, my memory is fuzzy.
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Post by Elvado on Oct 25, 2016 14:16:29 GMT -5
As I recall, both Milton Bell and Michael Tate-Venson were huge recruits nationally and flopped historically at GU.
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Post by s4hoyas on Oct 25, 2016 14:38:59 GMT -5
Didn't AP have an injury (during his clearinghouse year)that limited his explosiveness? He wasn't right when he suited up. Please correct me, my memory is fuzzy.
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Post by s4hoyas on Oct 25, 2016 14:44:38 GMT -5
You are correct...Anthony had a very bad ankle injury early in the season against Temple I believe (preseason NIT?) and was never the same thereafter in terms of his explosiveness and athleticism...very unfortunate as he was an outstanding player coming out of St. Anthony's and I remember being very impressed with him at the Capital Classic prior to his freshman year...he gutted it out but was clearly limited due to that injury.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 25, 2016 17:04:10 GMT -5
I do not think that one year was what hurt Perry...he just was not the same talent as projected. Stevie Franchise would disagree.
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Post by blueandgray on Oct 25, 2016 19:20:30 GMT -5
May already be seeing the Waters-effect with Walker's commitment. Staff continues to pursue Brown in a big way. We have as good as shot as anyone.
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