Where does this rank??

[blueandgray]

I am awfully happy about the news of the day....moreso then I have been about other top tier Hoya recruits. Big time recruit, at a position we've struggled to attract top tier talent, at a time where we have been experiencing a dry spell. Gotta give it to JT3 for having a vision and sticking to it.

In terms of recruiting, where does Water's rank in importance to the program?

[tashoya]

Oct 19, 2016 20:56:58 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

I am awfully happy about the news of the day....moreso then I have been aboutbother top tier Hoya recruits. BIg time recruit, at a position we've struggled to attract top tier talent in, at a time where we have been experiencing a dry spell. Gotta give it to JT3 for having a vision and sticking to it.

In terms of recruiting, where does Water's rank in importance to the program?

Clearly, it's going to depend a lot on what Tremont is able to do on the floor and, similarly, the guys that are surrounding him. Prior to seeing any of that transpire, as far as the optics of landing young Mr. Waters, I think it's a huge get. Probably the most important recruit, because of both his ranking and his position, since Greg Monroe. Other guys want to play with a guy that can get them the ball in position to do damage and, hopefully, Tremont (and, hopefully, Jagan) can be that dude. Having a quality player like Tremont at the point should help recruiting other positions as well.

From what I've read and seen, Tremont is a score-first point but he's closer to a true point than we've had in a long while. While I don't believe that we necessarily need a true point every year, the only way you can get around having one is having really versatile, well rounded players at every other position. That second scenario happens rarely. Having that true point can cover up some of the weaknesses that we've had in terms of guys that have holes in their games and can facilitate when the offense is stagnating.

[804hoya]

Water's will be a game changer for Georgetown recruiting.

[FrazierFanatic]

He certainly could be - even more so if we succeed on the court this season.

[seaweed]

The potential is there for this to be a watershed moment. If it isn't, us optimist supporters of the coach and program will be the ones eating crow.

[lda05816]

I know JT3 has pulled in some highly ranked recruits in his time here but this feels different. The one and done Era has obviously changed a lot in recruiting as well as conference realignment. To see that the program still has the ability to pull in a player of his caliber with some big time schools after him is reassuring. I know the whole PG argument has been beat to death on this board but I'm looking forward to watching Tremont run this offense. Not sure how we'll look back on this but at the moment it seems like a game changer to me.

[iheartdurenbros]

I think this is bigger than the Greg Monroe commitment. It's not that I expect Waters to display more talent than Greg. But Greg was the ideal player to run the point forward/center position --the trademark of the Princeton offense.

Waters is a game changer. I suppose that we need to see how this plays out, but I suspect that this recruitment will have a ripple effect and enable us to attract talented complementary players.

Also the program needs this boost now more than when Greg first committed. This us an unexpected spark.

[krukster201]

This commitment is huge for Georgetown , the Staff and the future. We're a solid season away from being on that elite status again. The New facilities are a tremendous help. A.I being around the program and all the love he's shown to Georgetown is enormous help coming from a HALL OF FAMER (Alumni). I see a shift and it's finally positive. We're heading in the right direction and it's just the beginning. JTIII/Staff/Players have to show that hunger and dedication this season. Let's take back what was ours for so many years. Step by Step .. I'm super excited for the season and expect to surprise A LOT of people.

[SirSaxa]

Oct 19, 2016 20:56:58 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

I am awfully happy about the news of the day....moreso then I have been about other top tier Hoya recruits. Big time recruit, at a position we've struggled to attract top tier talent, at a time where we have been experiencing a dry spell. Gotta give it to JT3 for having a vision and sticking to it.

In terms of recruiting, where does Water's rank in importance to the program?

As I interpret your question, B&G, it's about where his recruitment ranks at this point in time... as a recruit and his impact "as a recruit" on the program. How he develops as a player and impacts the program over the next few years is a separate question. Clearly, his importance as a player will only be known once his GU career is over. But that is not what is being asked right now.

How does winning the recruiting battle for Tremont Waters, a top 40 recruit, a PG, who was pursued by UK, KU, IU, UCONN and Duke (at various rates of intensity) impact the GU basketball program?

I believe B&G telegraphs his view when he says "Big time recruit at a position at which we have struggled in recruiting, and a time when the Hoya recruiting has been in a drought."

Other players may end up having a bigger Hoya careers in terms of Ws and Ls... Jeff Green, Roy and more.
But as a recruit given the current circumstances and in comparison to other players at the time they committed?
He could be the more important recruit JT3 has reeled in at GU.
 
Greg Monroe, Freeman, Wright, Porter, and others... all great Hoyas. No one expected Porter to be the gigantic contributor he was at the time he was a recruit.

But the difference here is the depths to which the program has descended... in terms of Ws and Ls, the new Big East, our offense, our national profile and dismal results recruiting -- traditional HS recruiting -- over the two years 2016 & 2017.   Persuading a top level recruit - and a PG no less, to come to GU right now? Under those circumstances?  Very big. And if his arrival leads another top level kid or two to sign on?   Let's hope his commitment has a carry-on effect with additional recruits, this year and next.

A big congratulations to JT3 and staff! 

[vv83]

Getting waters is great. But if we don't play well this year, it is going to be a lot harder to take full advantage of getting a guy like Waters. I think the Pryor/Mulmore combo this season is going to be just as important as Waters. These two are the guys who have the potential to really thrive in the (hopefully) more uptempo, guard based offense. We need this year's team to show that we are playing differently, both in style and most importantly in results. Based on their play in Kenner league, Pryor and Mulmore look pretty likely to be up to the task (along with many of the returning guys like Derrickson and Peak), and our prospects for this year are good. But if for some reason things go bad again this year, we will be in a rough place even with Waters coming in for 2017-18.

[SaxaCD]

Oct 19, 2016 22:37:00 GMT -5 SirSaxa said:

Oct 19, 2016 20:56:58 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

I am awfully happy about the news of the day....moreso then I have been about other top tier Hoya recruits. Big time recruit, at a position we've struggled to attract top tier talent, at a time where we have been experiencing a dry spell. Gotta give it to JT3 for having a vision and sticking to it.

In terms of recruiting, where does Water's rank in importance to the program?

As I interpret your question, B&G, it's about where his recruitment ranks at this point in time... as a recruit and his impact "as a recruit" on the program. How he develops as a player and impacts the program over the next few years is a separate question. Clearly, his importance as a player will only be known once his GU career is over. But that is not what is being asked right now.

How does winning the recruiting battle for Tremont Waters, a top 40 recruit, a PG, who was pursued by UK, KU, IU, UCONN and Duke (at various rates of intensity) impact the GU basketball program?

I believe B&G telegraphs his view when he says "Big time recruit at a position at which we have struggled in recruiting, and a time when the Hoya recruiting has been in a drought."

Other players may end up having a bigger Hoya careers in terms of Ws and Ls... Jeff Green, Roy and more.
But as a recruit given the current circumstances and in comparison to other players at the time they committed?
He could be the more important recruit JT3 has reeled in at GU.
 
Greg Monroe, Freeman, Wright, Porter, and others... all great Hoyas. No one expected Porter to be the gigantic contributor he was at the time he was a recruit.

But the difference here is the depths to which the program has descended... in terms of Ws and Ls, the new Big East, our offense, our national profile and dismal results recruiting -- traditional HS recruiting -- over the two years 2016 & 2017.   Persuading a top level recruit - and a PG no less, to come to GU right now? Under those circumstances?  Very big. And if his arrival leads another top level kid or two to sign on?   Let's hope his commitment has a carry-on effect with additional recruits, this year and next.

A big congratulations to JT3 and staff! 

There has been a lot of turnover in asst coaches lately, or so it seems to me, and I think maybe this "get" could be the first of nice wave of recruitment for the guys currently in place. Momentum is a fickle thing, but I'm hoping this tips things in the Hoyas' favor for a little while. I ESPECIALLY like the kind of recruit Waters is -- an excellent player and student who values the education component highly. I've said it before, but those are the kinds of guys I think GU can be very competitive with, guys who in the past often circulated to Duke and a few other places. That doesn't mean it's the sole type of basketball recruit to pursue, but I think the school offers those kinds of guys something different from what a lot of the "big guns" can, and we should exploit that differentiation to the fullest.

Great job by the staff, which has now gotten 4 impact guys at the G position since last season. I'm hoping for more success now with NBA-bound bigs!

[SaxaCD]

Oct 19, 2016 22:46:44 GMT -5 vv83 said:

Getting waters is great. But if we don't play well this year, it is going to be a lot harder to take full advantage of getting a guy like Waters. I think the Pryor/Mulmore combo this season is going to be just as important as Waters. These two are the guys who have the potential to really thrive in the (hopefully) more uptempo, guard based offense. We need this year's team to show that we are playing differently, both in style and most importantly in results. Based on their play in Kenner league, Pryor and Mulmore look pretty likely to be up to the task (along with many of the returning guys like Derrickson and Peak), and our prospects for this year are good. But if for some reason things go bad again this year, we will be in a rough place even with Waters coming in for 2017-18.

I think the Mulmore/Pryor "bridge" could end up being recruiting gold. As you say, we need results THIS YEAR, and the staff went out and got a couple of guys who have proved things beyond the HS court already. I think the coaches have hit a home run here with Waters, but I think they put guys on base with their unconventional recruits, and it could lead to a lot of good momentum down the road.

[blueandgray]

So many insightful posts. From my perspective, I think Waters may be the single most important commitment (not to be confused with the best player) in terms of how he can change the trajectory of the program. Yes, Pryor and Mulmore are the bridge that will hopefully make us a top 20 team, but the prospect of having Waters arrive will certainly go a long way in keeping Copeland and Peak interested and hungry to compete and stay for their senior seasons. Same holds true for Govan and Derrickson who will have a PG who can create some easy opportunities for them.

Further, the fall commitment goes a long way in helping the staff be more selective as it relates to our remaining '17 recruits. I know some of us, including myself would have reached for far lower caliber player right about now, butbwith Waters in the fold we can afford to sit back and play it out a bit.

FInally, (and I have no inside information here other than what everyone else already knows), I have to think this could significantly help us in recruiting Keldon Johnson. All of a sudden, Keldon has the ideal backcourt mate for years to come which could make the duo one of the most dynamic backcourts in the country. Our chances of landing Keldon had to have just gone up.

[krukster201]

Thanks B&G , I agree 100% .. this was a huge victory. Things will only get better.

[wnyhoya]

Oct 19, 2016 22:34:57 GMT -5 krukster201 said:

This commitment is huge for Georgetown , the Staff and the future. We're a solid season away from being on that elite status again. The New facilities are a tremendous help. A.I being around the program and all the love he's shown to Georgetown is enormous help coming from a HALL OF FAMER (Alumni). I see a shift and it's finally positive. We're heading in the right direction and it's just the beginning. JTIII/Staff/Players have to show that hunger and dedication this season. Let's take back what was ours for so many years. Step by Step .. I'm super excited for the season and expect to surprise A LOT of people.

^^^this. With all of these factors contributing, I feel like this is the mark of a new era for Gerogetown basketball. Remember when Georgetown was the cool team to play for? I think that's what we're going to be seeing here. New facility, new assistants, new offense, an elite PG signed on, plus what looks to be a potentially great season just a few weeks away, this could be the point we look back on in five years and say "that's the time it all turned around." I think it will be. This is when we ascend back to our rightful place in college basketball. We may never be Kentucky or Duke and that's fine, but there's no reason with the changes we've made (and kudos to III for driving them) we can't get back to being the household name that we were

[beenaround]

Just to stir memories from the older crowd..how about comparable to signing as Al Dutch??

[eagle54]

FWIW, this was the first notification of any recruit we have gotten since I've had that type of app for the past couple of years so I viewed it as a big deal. My caution was it said this is the highest ranked recruit they have had since Isaac Copeland.  i like Ike but he hasn't moved us forward but that may not be the player.  Raises the age old question as I think he's been held back.  What do you all think?  

[DFW HOYA]

Oct 20, 2016 22:31:42 GMT -5 beenaround said:

Just to stir memories from the older crowd..how about comparable to signing as Al Dutch??

Al was a little before my time, but it was an important signing as it opened doors which weren't there for Georgetown.

Waters is from New Haven. In a different time, Jim Calhoun would have never let him out of the state; and traditionally, Georgetown has often had to go outside the Big East footprint for elite recruits.

Getting Northeast recruits to give Georgetown more serious consideration is a win-win for both recruit and recruiter.

[eagle54]

Oct 20, 2016 23:16:56 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Oct 20, 2016 22:31:42 GMT -5 beenaround said:

Just to stir memories from the older crowd..how about comparable to signing as Al Dutch??

Al was a little before my time, but it was an important signing as it opened doors which weren't there for Georgetown.

Waters is from New Haven. In a different time, Jim Calhoun would have never let him out of the state; and traditionally, Georgetown has often had to go outside the Big East footprint for elite recruits.

Getting Northeast recruits to give Georgetown more serious consideration is a win-win for both recruit and recruiter.

AI was before your time?  When were you born as he's not been gone that long.

I'd say other than Patrick Ewing he is the most important player this program has had in its history and beyond Georgetown will be the biggest player this program has had.  

Greatest player I watched in person.

[SirSaxa]

Oct 20, 2016 23:22:35 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

Oct 20, 2016 23:16:56 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Al was a little before my time, but it was an important signing as it opened doors which weren't there for Georgetown.

Waters is from New Haven. In a different time, Jim Calhoun would have never let him out of the state; and traditionally, Georgetown has often had to go outside the Big East footprint for elite recruits.

Getting Northeast recruits to give Georgetown more serious consideration is a win-win for both recruit and recruiter.

AI was before your time?  When were you born as he's not been gone that long.

I'd say other than Patrick Ewing he is the most important player this program has had in its history and beyond Georgetown will be the biggest player this program has had.  

Greatest player I watched in person.

Yo... Eagle. Cool your jets man. DFW was referring to the recruit beenaround mentioned.... "Al", not AI.... Al, as in Al Dutch, also known as Al Dutch Treat!