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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Oct 11, 2016 14:50:25 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 11, 2016 15:55:01 GMT -5
Coach Thompson is entitled to his opinion, and it's simply that. But he doesn't speak for the University on the matter.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 11, 2016 16:09:13 GMT -5
Can we get a quote? link takes me to a page saying I need to subscribe.
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Post by trillesthoya on Oct 11, 2016 16:30:59 GMT -5
We need to stop thinking of our basketball team as just a group of young black men with good size that entertain us. They're human beings.
If the guys have experienced anything the average African American male experiences regularly, chances are they or someone they know has suffered at the hands of state institutions. Georgetown has been at the forefront of protesting injustice across the globe over the last century, and I hope that this continues.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 16:32:02 GMT -5
Coach Thompson is entitled to his opinion, and it's simply that. But he doesn't speak for the University on the matter. That's kind of dismissive... How do you know he hasn't consulted the University on this? How do you know this is simply "his opinion?"
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 11, 2016 16:47:20 GMT -5
Can we get a quote? link takes me to a page saying I need to subscribe. Weird. I had the same problem when I just clicked on the link, but not when I clicked on the link in Nicole Auerbach's twitter account. Here's a link to the tweet
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 11, 2016 19:21:53 GMT -5
Coach Thompson is entitled to his opinion, and it's simply that. But he doesn't speak for the University on the matter. Translation: "When the highest-paid administrator at the University expresses an opinion different from mine to the press, he doesn't speak for the University." Or is there something else about the University's most prominent official that you find unworthy of serving as a formal representative?
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Post by tashoya on Oct 11, 2016 19:41:44 GMT -5
Someone earlier in the thread, I believe it was Frazier, pointed out that our guys are, above all, Georgetown students. I'd welcome their thoughts, opinions and perspectives and, if they feel a need to make a statement of protest, I'm all for that as well.
Taking the sports part out of it, I feel very lucky that we have the Thompsons available as teachers. JT3 grew up very differently than did his father and, because of that and because of the age of each, they have a wealth of experience and varied perspectives that they can draw upon to share with the guys. Between the two Johns, that's a pretty solid sounding board when discussing why, if, when or how to protest if one of or many of the guys desire to do so.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 11, 2016 20:26:17 GMT -5
Translation: "When the highest-paid administrator at the University expresses an opinion different from mine to the press, he doesn't speak for the University." Or is there something else about the University's most prominent official that you find unworthy of serving as a formal representative? Huh? Coaches have opinions but I do not see them as speaking "for" the University, nor did they have to be vetted for doing so. John Thompson was not asking Adele Wells or Gary Krull for permission to have an opinion during the Tim Healy years, nor should he have. Big Tim was smart enough to let John be John, and vice versa. But John wasn't speaking for the administration. Good strategy, and still applies today. Not sure about your nomination of JT III as the University's most prominent official. Last I checked, Jack DeGioia still holds that title.
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Post by SaxaCD on Oct 11, 2016 21:44:08 GMT -5
Yeah. I'd roll my eyes at the gesture, but I'd still cheer for the team to win. But you wouldn't support the team's actions. You don't care about their feelings just how high they can jump and how fast they can run? EDUCATE YOURSELF! No, that's quite a leap. Just because I disagree with something doesn't mean I don't care about someone else's feelings. There are many people who I love dearly whose positions on one thing or another I don't agree with. I know today it's fashionable to avoid those who have different opinions and retreat to the safe spaces of hanging with people who think exactly alike, but I've always thought that was silly. I agree with plenty of things you post, and disagree with plenty of others. I have met you at Hoya games, and found you to be a nice, enthusiastic, friendly guy -- any disagreements on individual issues of the day wouldn't negate that. Differences of opinion are part of recognizing other human beings for what they are -- real people and not echo chambers.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Oct 11, 2016 21:51:15 GMT -5
Translation: "When the highest-paid administrator at the University expresses an opinion different from mine to the press, he doesn't speak for the University." Or is there something else about the University's most prominent official that you find unworthy of serving as a formal representative? Huh? Coaches have opinions but I do not see them as speaking "for" the University, nor did they have to be vetted for doing so. John Thompson was not asking Adele Wells or Gary Krull for permission to have an opinion during the Tim Healy years, nor should he have. Big Tim was smart enough to let John be John, and vice versa. But John wasn't speaking for the administration. Good strategy, and still applies today. Not sure about your nomination of JT III as the University's most prominent official. Last I checked, Jack DeGioia still holds that title. Has the administration come out with a differing viewpoint? I would be surprised if it did not share JTIII's view on this.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 11, 2016 23:07:23 GMT -5
Huh? Coaches have opinions but I do not see them as speaking "for" the University, nor did they have to be vetted for doing so. John Thompson was not asking Adele Wells or Gary Krull for permission to have an opinion during the Tim Healy years, nor should he have. Big Tim was smart enough to let John be John, and vice versa. But John wasn't speaking for the administration. Good strategy, and still applies today. Not sure about your nomination of JT III as the University's most prominent official. Last I checked, Jack DeGioia still holds that title. It's pretty simple: on matters related to the men's basketball program, the coach is one of the University's official spokespersons. His line is the company line, as it were. If he's asked about some purely personal matter, that's one thint, but when it comes to the program he leads, his viewpoint and that of the institution are the same unless explicitly stated otherwise. That's one of the reasons these folks get paid a lot of money and can be readily fired for cause: they are trusted to be the voice of the University, available to the media frequently and with no intermediary, and they had better performance their role at a high standard - or else. Prominence is not about rank, but about publicity. In terms of public name recognition, JTIII and his father (assuming the latter retains his titular position and not-so-titular annual compensation) are the two administrators who are best known by the public and with whom the University is most commonly associated. This, too, is a reason why the job comes with such a lofty salary and such exacting demands.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 12, 2016 8:31:15 GMT -5
Prominence is not about rank, but about publicity. In terms of public name recognition, JTIII and his father (assuming the latter retains his titular position and not-so-titular annual compensation) are the two administrators who are best known by the public and with whom the University is most commonly associated. This, too, is a reason why the job comes with such a lofty salary and such exacting demands. This is an academic argument, but I still disagree. The basketball job comes with a lofty salary because the contract was negotiated that way, not because of perceived prominence. If Craig Esherick had negotiated a $3.3 million/year deal, it would not have made him any more or less prominent. JT III's salary works because of the Fox Sports money but it is not guaranteed that Georgetown will always pay him or his successors a similar or even more lucrative compensation package in the future. The same would apply to a new medical VP or MSB dean--it's what the market will bear. FWIW, John Thompson is not listed on the University's Form 990 for highly compensated employees. While he may receive some compensation, he's no longer on that list.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Oct 12, 2016 8:39:13 GMT -5
Coach Thompson is entitled to his opinion, and it's simply that. But he doesn't speak for the University on the matter. Your point? So you have an issue with this I take. Why don't you ask US why we feel the way we do. Maybe you'll understand more I don't know.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Oct 12, 2016 8:43:03 GMT -5
But you wouldn't support the team's actions. You don't care about their feelings just how high they can jump and how fast they can run? EDUCATE YOURSELF! No, that's quite a leap. Just because I disagree with something doesn't mean I don't care about someone else's feelings. There are many people who I love dearly whose positions on one thing or another I don't agree with. I know today it's fashionable to avoid those who have different opinions and retreat to the safe spaces of hanging with people who think exactly alike, but I've always thought that was silly. I agree with plenty of things you post, and disagree with plenty of others. I have met you at Hoya games, and found you to be a nice, enthusiastic, friendly guy -- any disagreements on individual issues of the day wouldn't negate that. Differences of opinion are part of recognizing other human beings for what they are -- real people and not echo chambers. We just want people to understand and know how we feel and for them to acknowledge, respect and to move on. There weren't a lot of great things going on in this country for hundreds of years for Africans in America. Thanks for the compliments too.
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Post by tashoya on Oct 12, 2016 9:29:49 GMT -5
But you wouldn't support the team's actions. You don't care about their feelings just how high they can jump and how fast they can run? EDUCATE YOURSELF! I know today it's fashionable to avoid those who have different opinions and retreat to the safe spaces of hanging with people who think exactly alike, but I've always thought that was silly. I think this is an important point and, because there is a lot of that in our society, it tends to exacerbate problems. We seem to write off concerns and problems that don't, necessarily, affect each of us to the same degree that it affects others and we seem to go so far as to either not discuss problems or, even worse, demonize those that try to shine a light on them. Seemingly, starting the conversation and allowing for the validity of differing opinions is more difficult than it should be.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 12, 2016 9:54:27 GMT -5
Coach Thompson is entitled to his opinion, and it's simply that. But he doesn't speak for the University on the matter. Your point? So you have an issue with this I take. Why don't you ask US why we feel the way we do. Maybe you'll understand more I don't know. The discussion was whether employees are spokesmen for the University vs. expressing their own opinions relative to their job. See the rest of the thread for further discussion.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Oct 12, 2016 14:24:03 GMT -5
Stand for the national anthem and then as a group take a knee after its over. That way you keep the spotlight on social injustice while showing respect for the flag and the military.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 12, 2016 19:56:07 GMT -5
This is an academic argument, but I still disagree. The basketball job comes with a lofty salary because the contract was negotiated that way, not because of perceived prominence. If Craig Esherick had negotiated a $3.3 million/year deal, it would not have made him any more or less prominent. Er, what? Yes, the prominence and high level of public scrutiny and standing of the position is a major reason why revenue sports coaches are in such high demand and command such high salaries. Esh may not have rated JTIII's salary, but he still earned more than a small number of University employees. And yes, he was much less prominent and much less well-known, both because his father was not a famous Hall of Fame coach and because he did not take a team to the Final Four. JT III's salary works because of the Fox Sports money but it is not guaranteed that Georgetown will always pay him or his successors a similar or even more lucrative compensation package in the future. The same would apply to a new medical VP or MSB dean--it's what the market will bear. Very few things in life are guaranteed. But yes, the market currently bears quite a high salary for top-tier Division I basketball coaches, in significant part because it is a very publicly prominent position that lands you on national TV and in front of national media multiple times a year. Not everyone can handle that to the level demanded by a very image and reputation-conscious institution (as most of them are), and coach the X's & O's, and recruit, and perform all the requisite management functions that leading a multi-million dollar enterprise entails. FWIW, John Thompson is not listed on the University's Form 990 for highly compensated employees. While he may receive some compensation, he's no longer on that list. Yep, guess he finally fell below $100k/year
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Post by tashoya on Oct 12, 2016 22:00:54 GMT -5
Not for nothing, I'd much rather hear Big John's statement about this than I would President DeGioia's. I hope the latter's view of things is, at a minimum, being informed by the views of the former.
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