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Post by hoya88tx on Oct 8, 2016 10:47:51 GMT -5
The student athletes have every right to protest the national anthem,
Georgetown university has every right to support and condone this protest,
I have every right never to support my school or team again.
If they exercise their rights, I will certainly do the same.
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Post by drquigley on Oct 8, 2016 19:14:47 GMT -5
I just started reading this thread and expected just more of the same comments I've seen on other social media sites. But thanks to glidehoyas link to the Intercept article I actually did learn something about the anthem that 4 years of my GU education never taught me. I wonder how many of my fellow '68 alums and Hoyatalk bloggers knew about the third stanza? Or that The Brits actually created a regiment of freed slaves to fight with them? While I was, at first, uncomfortable with the Kapernick protest I think now that I (we) owe him thanks for making us aware of this part of our history.
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Post by royski on Oct 8, 2016 19:38:23 GMT -5
The student athletes have every right to protest the national anthem, Georgetown university has every right to support and condone this protest, I have every right never to support my school or team again. If they exercise their rights, I will certainly do the same. Whether they have the RIGHT to protest is not in dispute at all, in any way, in any shape, in any form. Of course they have the right to peacefully protest. This is America. Any other stance on that issue is undemocratic. What the thread asks is if people will support the team if they do so. Personally, I would.
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Post by hoya88tx on Oct 8, 2016 20:34:01 GMT -5
Personally I would not.
Btw, let's be clear about this. This started with Kapernick as a protest of how minorities are treated in this country TODAY. When the assumption is made that it is the third verse (which is never used) of the national anthem, we are simply trying to find another reason for this protest. Let's not misdirect what these athletes are saying simply because it's easier to for the rest of us. If you are going to support this team or any other in this protest, don't kid yourself. It is America "as is" not the anthem...
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Post by zxhoya on Oct 8, 2016 21:47:29 GMT -5
Absolutely not... respect the flag, the anthem and those who sacrificed to preserve them...express your differences elsewhere in a civil manner. This screams of "have your protest just don't bother me with it". That mentality is why you will see more of it. The most hurtful part for this African American is when issues like these arise, there's a large portion of the public who think these issues are made up, false, or not warranted.. I would read up on the the lyrics of the 3rd verse of the National Anthem as well , not exactly words every black person can get behind. You can respect our Military, love our flag, and still protest for more equality in our society. I don't see how one is contradictory to the other.. Amen Yaboy!
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Post by hoya88tx on Oct 9, 2016 12:00:59 GMT -5
The student athletes have every right to protest the national anthem, Georgetown university has every right to support and condone this protest, I have every right never to support my school or team again. If they exercise their rights, I will certainly do the same. Whether they have the RIGHT to protest is not in dispute at all, in any way, in any shape, in any form. Of course they have the right to peacefully protest. This is America. Any other stance on that issue is undemocratic. What the thread asks is if people will support the team if they do so. Personally, I would.
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Post by hoya88tx on Oct 9, 2016 12:04:41 GMT -5
what part of my last sentence did you not understand ?
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Post by nathanhm on Oct 10, 2016 6:15:18 GMT -5
Personally I would not. Btw, let's be clear about this. This started with Kapernick as a protest of how minorities are treated in this country TODAY. When the assumption is made that it is the third verse (which is never used) of the national anthem, we are simply trying to find another reason for this protest. Let's not misdirect what these athletes are saying simply because it's easier to for the rest of us. If you are going to support this team or any other in this protest, don't kid yourself. It is America "as is" not the anthem... If you don't see how our country's past thoughts beliefs and actions against minorities directly links to how we are treated TODAY then what do you think is the root cause of racism?
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Post by lancasterhoyafan on Oct 10, 2016 8:20:24 GMT -5
I will personally stand for the Anthem. Always have and will continue to do so. That being said, if the team makes a decision to kneel and protest I'm fine with it.
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Post by SaxaCD on Oct 10, 2016 9:24:05 GMT -5
I will personally stand for the Anthem. Always have and will continue to do so. That being said, if the team makes a decision to kneel and protest I'm fine with it. Yeah. I'd roll my eyes at the gesture, but I'd still cheer for the team to win.
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Post by deacon on Oct 10, 2016 9:44:15 GMT -5
I just started reading this thread and expected just more of the same comments I've seen on other social media sites. But thanks to glidehoyas link to the Intercept article I actually did learn something about the anthem that 4 years of my GU education never taught me. I wonder how many of my fellow '68 alums and Hoyatalk bloggers knew about the third stanza? Or that The Brits actually created a regiment of freed slaves to fight with them? While I was, at first, uncomfortable with the Kapernick protest I think now that I (we) owe him thanks for making us aware of this part of our history. A group of students at Morgan State University did a documentary this past summer about the history of the anthem and its third stanza. Well done and very informative.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Oct 11, 2016 9:54:03 GMT -5
I just started reading this thread and expected just more of the same comments I've seen on other social media sites. But thanks to glidehoyas link to the Intercept article I actually did learn something about the anthem that 4 years of my GU education never taught me. I wonder how many of my fellow '68 alums and Hoyatalk bloggers knew about the third stanza? Or that The Brits actually created a regiment of freed slaves to fight with them? While I was, at first, uncomfortable with the Kapernick protest I think now that I (we) owe him thanks for making us aware of this part of our history. Much respect to you!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Oct 11, 2016 10:01:39 GMT -5
The student athletes have every right to protest the national anthem, Georgetown university has every right to support and condone this protest, I have every right never to support my school or team again. If they exercise their rights, I will certainly do the same. Whether they have the RIGHT to protest is not in dispute at all, in any way, in any shape, in any form. Of course they have the right to peacefully protest. This is America. Any other stance on that issue is undemocratic. What the thread asks is if people will support the team if they do so. Personally, I would. I thought a PROTEST was always done peacefully. Now if it turns into a RIOT blame the police. They love provoking riots. When they're peaceful protest cops get Editeded because it makes them look bad because according to America's demonization of africans in america we're suppose to be acting like fools. This is why you don't see the cameras (mainstream media) until the protests turn into riots. I'm hip man I'm hip. They have it all planned out and I know the whole game plan and it ain't pretty. Has been in effect after the civil war.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Oct 11, 2016 10:02:53 GMT -5
I just started reading this thread and expected just more of the same comments I've seen on other social media sites. But thanks to glidehoyas link to the Intercept article I actually did learn something about the anthem that 4 years of my GU education never taught me. I wonder how many of my fellow '68 alums and Hoyatalk bloggers knew about the third stanza? Or that The Brits actually created a regiment of freed slaves to fight with them? While I was, at first, uncomfortable with the Kapernick protest I think now that I (we) owe him thanks for making us aware of this part of our history. A group of students at Morgan State University did a documentary this past summer about the history of the anthem and its third stanza. Well done and very informative. Thanks. Much appreciated.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Oct 11, 2016 10:15:50 GMT -5
To me, the anthem and the flag represent ideals that we strive for, and clearly have not always attained. And yes, it also honors sacrifices that have been made along the way. It does not validate every action America has ever taken. I understand the point being made, but I wish people would look forward, not backward. And yes, I know that simplifies a very complicated issue. Why do you think a protest is looking backwards? True. Why do people think a protest is looking backwards. You have to respect the past to move forward. You want to remember everything else except for africans in america?
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Oct 11, 2016 10:18:04 GMT -5
Personally I would not. Btw, let's be clear about this. This started with Kapernick as a protest of how minorities are treated in this country TODAY. When the assumption is made that it is the third verse (which is never used) of the national anthem, we are simply trying to find another reason for this protest. Let's not misdirect what these athletes are saying simply because it's easier to for the rest of us. If you are going to support this team or any other in this protest, don't kid yourself. It is America "as is" not the anthem... Minorities??? You mean africans in america? BACKWARDS??? HMMM
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Oct 11, 2016 10:19:33 GMT -5
I will personally stand for the Anthem. Always have and will continue to do so. That being said, if the team makes a decision to kneel and protest I'm fine with it. Yeah. I'd roll my eyes at the gesture, but I'd still cheer for the team to win. But you wouldn't support the team's actions. You don't care about their feelings just how high they can jump and how fast they can run? EDUCATE YOURSELF!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 10:46:58 GMT -5
Personally I would not. Btw, let's be clear about this. This started with Kapernick as a protest of how minorities are treated in this country TODAY. When the assumption is made that it is the third verse (which is never used) of the national anthem, we are simply trying to find another reason for this protest. Let's not misdirect what these athletes are saying simply because it's easier to for the rest of us. If you are going to support this team or any other in this protest, don't kid yourself. It is America "as is" not the anthem... The part about the Anthem was a response to a poster saying "We need to respect the Anthem"... It wasn't a comment about what or why he is protesting. The 3rd verse, and ones interpretation of it, is a reason not to respect the Anthem and a fair one. People seem to be forgetting that in that verse most Blacks would identify more with the slave fighting for his freedom than the man singing the song. Historical context does matter. Again though, just to be clear, we all know the protests are not about the National Anthem...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 11, 2016 11:29:18 GMT -5
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 11, 2016 14:19:26 GMT -5
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