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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 3, 2016 17:02:02 GMT -5
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Post by eagle54 on Sept 3, 2016 23:04:36 GMT -5
Nova would be a bloodbath. That is not an opener you want for new students and potential fans. Not as much as you think and with that mentality you'll stay where you are. Step up and play and see where you stand. Your schedule also influences who you can recruit. Think bigger Problem of God as hard as that can be for you to do.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 4, 2016 0:57:49 GMT -5
It's straightforward why Villanova would play these schools: 1) location (a bus trip is less expensive), 2) alumni awareness of the opponent (no one wants to see Villanova play Abilene Christian), and 3) they fit into what a number of other coaches use as a strategy for non-conference opponents, what I would call the 1-1-1 approach: one "reach" game (one it doesn't figure to win but provides visibility and maybe an upset now and then, one which is a competitive game they will still be favored in, and one where they are a significant favorite. In Nova's case, Pitt is the reach game, Lehigh is the toss-up, and Lafayette is the most likely win. In Richmond's case, that's Virginia (upset!), Colgate, and Norfolk State.
Could Georgetown aspire to be that, well, Lafayette-type opponent for Villanova? Someone above called a Georgetown-Villanova matchup a "bloodbath", because a lot of people sell Georgetown so short in football that just showing up on the field is some of moral victory. FWIW, Lafayette is a comparable team to Georgetown in recent years, where Georgetown has won four of the last six. Let's see how Lafayete will fare before passing judgment that Georgetown is institutionally unable to play comparably sized institutions.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 4, 2016 11:38:18 GMT -5
It's straightforward why Villanova would play these schools: 1) location (a bus trip is less expensive), 2) alumni awareness of the opponent (no one wants to see Villanova play Abilene Christian), and 3) they fit into what a number of other coaches use as a strategy for non-conference opponents, what I would call the 1-1-1 approach: one "reach" game (one it doesn't figure to win but provides visibility and maybe an upset now and then, one which is a competitive game they will still be favored in, and one where they are a significant favorite. In Nova's case, Pitt is the reach game, Lehigh is the toss-up, and Lafayette is the most likely win. In Richmond's case, that's Virginia (upset!), Colgate, and Norfolk State. Could Georgetown aspire to be that, well, Lafayette-type opponent for Villanova? Someone above called a Georgetown-Villanova matchup a "bloodbath", because a lot of people sell Georgetown so short in football that just showing up on the field is some of moral victory. FWIW, Lafayette is a comparable team to Georgetown in recent years, where Georgetown has won four of the last six. Let's see how Lafayete will fare before passing judgment that Georgetown is institutionally unable to play comparably sized institutions. Did you not see what happened in our series against Richmond? Particularly when we played at Richmond? That wasn't a boost for the program in any way, just a waste of time.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 4, 2016 12:07:50 GMT -5
We made the big time. In our local paper on the college football page, here under the heading of "Stars" with bullets for Georgia, Ohio State, and Texas A&M is the bullet: Tim Barnes, Georgetown, three four TD passes to help the Hoyas handle Davidson 38-14. I thought I was imagining things.
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Post by bgsmitty43 on Sept 4, 2016 13:46:48 GMT -5
I saw the game on TV, thankful for campusinsiders that televised the game. Game went as I expected, more D than O. Kudos to Tim Barnes for settling down and having a good game. He has two outstanding receivers in Hill and Williams, they are definitely threats to score at any time. OL pitched a shutout giving up no sacks. Loughery is a beast at MLB, he covered the field well. Run defense was solid, Davidson not much of a running game. The Hoyas have a week to fix the following: (1). Pass defense was soft giving much cushion to open receivers. They gave up a long pass, not played well at all. Marist will throw the ball a lot, (2.) they need a better "push" on pass rush. Davidson had too much time to set and throw. I can't remember whether they got a sack or not, (3.) a running game has got to be developed. I don't know whether it is lack of OL blocking or lack of talent in the backfield. This has to be a priority for success.
I'm looking forward to the Marist challenge this Saturday. Bucknell seemed to handle them ok intercepting Marist 4 times. My vote for players of the game this past week are Leo Loughery (defense) and Tim Barnes (offense), Justin Hill close behind. Hoping for steady improvement this week. Go Hoyas!
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Post by puppydog100 on Sept 4, 2016 15:38:07 GMT -5
Paid attendance Villanova v. Pitt, 50,149.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 4, 2016 16:47:24 GMT -5
Paid attendance Villanova v. Pitt, 50,149. So, 180 more people than showed up in last year's opener versus Youngstown State. Congrats?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 4, 2016 18:07:00 GMT -5
Let's take this for what it was, a program struggling to right the ship, playing a lesser team as a home opener. If we become a stronger program, 'Nova et al. should be our goal. For this year, not such a big deal. Enjoy a victory and move on.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 5, 2016 8:34:39 GMT -5
Did you not see what happened in our series against Richmond? Particularly when we played at Richmond? That wasn't a boost for the program in any way, just a waste of time. I remember it well--that came during Richmond's national championship season, which was likely scheduled six years in advance. Bad timing in that Mike London's program was ascendant and Kevin Kelly's...wasn't. I hope you're not suggesting, but would welcome your argument if you are, that we should only schedule non-scholarship programs. A generation ago, there were 30 such programs on the Eastern Seaboard to choose among--excepting the Ivy League, there are just two: Davidson and Marist. So why are we aspiring to play from the bottom of the subdivision? Davidson has not defeated a Division I opponent in the non-conference in 11 years, and since 2009 has only one non-conference win of any kind, to a club team representing a fictitious college. While not the worst team by record (Savannah State is 5-63 since 2010, but regularly plays I-A guarantee games), Davidson is the weakest, opening the season ranked 253rd of 253 teams in the Sagarin ratings. How does a team improve? By smarter recruiting and playing better teams.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Sept 5, 2016 8:56:29 GMT -5
Did you not see what happened in our series against Richmond? Particularly when we played at Richmond? That wasn't a boost for the program in any way, just a waste of time. I remember it well--that came during Richmond's national championship season, which was likely scheduled six years in advance. Bad timing in that Mike London's program was ascendant and Kevin Kelly's...wasn't. I hope you're not suggesting, but would welcome your argument if you are, that we should only schedule non-scholarship programs. A generation ago, there were 30 such programs on the Eastern Seaboard to choose among--excepting the Ivy League, there are just two: Davidson and Marist. So why are we aspiring to play from the bottom of the subdivision? Davidson has not defeated a Division I opponent in the non-conference in 11 years, and since 2009 has only one non-conference win of any kind, to a club team representing a fictitious college. While not the worst team by record (Savannah State is 5-63 since 2010, but regularly plays I-A guarantee games), Davidson is the weakest, opening the season ranked 253rd of 253 teams in the Sagarin ratings. How does a team improve? By smarter recruiting and playing better teams. Ideally, you want a mix of opponents, such that you've got a few games against weaker opponents, a couple against similar ones, and a few reaches. It's hard to get that mix right, especially how far in advance football scheduling happens, and the limited number of OOC games. We are playing Harvard. They may not be NoDakSt but they're one of the better FCS teams (scholarships or not). And we obviously have to play the top teams in our league. It doesn't do the team any good to get mauled in every OOC game either. There's a balance.
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Post by bgsmitty43 on Sept 5, 2016 12:16:27 GMT -5
Aleutianhoya, I agree about the scheduling. Right now they have one FCS Top 25 team, Harvard, on their OOC schedule. If Sgarlata can get this program on the upswing, it would be nice to see two OOC teams from the top 25. Colgate and Fordham are Top 25, but already in PL. Richmond is too much of a stretch right now, I like the idea of Villanova. Good goal is 5 wins this season. If they can do that with this young team, beef up the schedule.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 5, 2016 15:30:07 GMT -5
Did you not see what happened in our series against Richmond? Particularly when we played at Richmond? That wasn't a boost for the program in any way, just a waste of time. I remember it well--that came during Richmond's national championship season, which was likely scheduled six years in advance. Bad timing in that Mike London's program was ascendant and Kevin Kelly's...wasn't. I hope you're not suggesting, but would welcome your argument if you are, that we should only schedule non-scholarship programs. A generation ago, there were 30 such programs on the Eastern Seaboard to choose among--excepting the Ivy League, there are just two: Davidson and Marist. So why are we aspiring to play from the bottom of the subdivision? Davidson has not defeated a Division I opponent in the non-conference in 11 years, and since 2009 has only one non-conference win of any kind, to a club team representing a fictitious college. While not the worst team by record (Savannah State is 5-63 since 2010, but regularly plays I-A guarantee games), Davidson is the weakest, opening the season ranked 253rd of 253 teams in the Sagarin ratings. How does a team improve? By smarter recruiting and playing better teams. Scheduling Villanova is not how a team improves. This isn't high school. The gap in talent between us and a team like Richmond, who just smoked Virginia, is dangerous for our guys. And give us your input on how to be so much "smarter" in recruiting when you're getting your doors blown off by full scholarship programs, and thereby dissuading recruits from looking at Georgetown.
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Post by bgsmitty43 on Sept 5, 2016 21:35:57 GMT -5
DFW HOYA - I enjoy your blog. You seem to have knowledge of both football and Georgetown University. Can we get you on the stadium building committee? Please keep us informed. Thanks.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 6, 2016 12:26:58 GMT -5
Scheduling Villanova is not how a team improves. This isn't high school. The gap in talent between us and a team like Richmond, who just smoked Virginia, is dangerous for our guys. And give us your input on how to be so much "smarter" in recruiting when you're getting your doors blown off by full scholarship programs, and thereby dissuading recruits from looking at Georgetown. Two thoughts: First, sunken logs are not steeping stones. Learning from from the likes of Davidson only gets you so far. The idea that it's "dangerous" for Georgetown to play scholarship opponents is a bit disingenuous, given that we will play six such programs this season. Are we at danger playing Bucknell and Lafayette, too? The average weight of Villanova's d-line in its two deep is 270 vs. 266 for Georgetown, a four pound per man difference. On the offensive line, scholarships help--the average weight of Villanova's o-line in its two deep is 292 vs. just 277 for Georgetown. Neither compare to Alabama, with an average o-line of 311 and an average d-line of 296. But Georgetown isn't looking to play Alabama anyway. Since 2001, Georgetown's record against scholarship programs is 10-21. Against full-scholarship teams, or those who claimed to be, it's 3-7--two of those wins were vs. Howard. Don't get me wrong--Georgetown stands to take some beatings this year with the PL now at full scholarship or substantially close to it. But excepting Richmond and Old Dominion, Georgetown wasn't stomped on by the other teams, any more or less than they have been by Harvard. My thoughts on smarter recruiting, like my thoughts on fact-finding committees, aren't institutionally popular. Georgetown can be non-scholarship and succeed, or it can maintain an artificial admissions index and succeed, but not both together if it is to compete in the Patriot League. Conversely, if Georgetown's place in the football world is to be little more than schedule filler for the Ivy League and be noncompetitive for the last six weeks every season, then it's full steam ahead.
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Post by thebin on Sept 6, 2016 14:24:45 GMT -5
Wait....Howard is full scholarship??? How on earth are they still so bad? Don't get me wrong I liked that series with them but they have been pretty bad for a while- had no idea they had any schollies. DC Cup done for good?
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Post by aleutianhoya on Sept 6, 2016 18:44:38 GMT -5
Scheduling Villanova is not how a team improves. This isn't high school. The gap in talent between us and a team like Richmond, who just smoked Virginia, is dangerous for our guys. And give us your input on how to be so much "smarter" in recruiting when you're getting your doors blown off by full scholarship programs, and thereby dissuading recruits from looking at Georgetown. Two thoughts: First, sunken logs are not steeping stones. Learning from from the likes of Davidson only gets you so far. The idea that it's "dangerous" for Georgetown to play scholarship opponents is a bit disingenuous, given that we will play six such programs this season. Are we at danger playing Bucknell and Lafayette, too? The average weight of Villanova's d-line in its two deep is 270 vs. 266 for Georgetown, a four pound per man difference. On the offensive line, scholarships help--the average weight of Villanova's o-line in its two deep is 292 vs. just 277 for Georgetown. Neither compare to Alabama, with an average o-line of 311 and an average d-line of 296. But Georgetown isn't looking to play Alabama anyway. Since 2001, Georgetown's record against scholarship programs is 10-21. Against full-scholarship teams, or those who claimed to be, it's 3-7--two of those wins were vs. Howard. Don't get me wrong--Georgetown stands to take some beatings this year with the PL now at full scholarship or substantially close to it. But excepting Richmond and Old Dominion, Georgetown wasn't stomped on by the other teams, any more or less than they have been by Harvard. My thoughts on smarter recruiting, like my thoughts on fact-finding committees, aren't institutionally popular. Georgetown can be non-scholarship and succeed, or it can maintain an artificial admissions index and succeed, but not both together if it is to compete in the Patriot League. Conversely, if Georgetown's place in the football world is to be little more than schedule filler for the Ivy League and be noncompetitive for the last six weeks every season, then it's full steam ahead. I completely agree with your larger analysis of the admissions index amd non-scholarship situation. But I don't think that's relevant to scheduling. If we were to make one or both changes, then a change in scheduling philosophy would be indicated. But given that we haven't...
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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 7, 2016 22:30:31 GMT -5
Scheduling Villanova is not how a team improves. This isn't high school. The gap in talent between us and a team like Richmond, who just smoked Virginia, is dangerous for our guys. And give us your input on how to be so much "smarter" in recruiting when you're getting your doors blown off by full scholarship programs, and thereby dissuading recruits from looking at Georgetown. Two thoughts: First, sunken logs are not steeping stones. Learning from from the likes of Davidson only gets you so far. The idea that it's "dangerous" for Georgetown to play scholarship opponents is a bit disingenuous, given that we will play six such programs this season. Are we at danger playing Bucknell and Lafayette, too? The average weight of Villanova's d-line in its two deep is 270 vs. 266 for Georgetown, a four pound per man difference. On the offensive line, scholarships help--the average weight of Villanova's o-line in its two deep is 292 vs. just 277 for Georgetown. Neither compare to Alabama, with an average o-line of 311 and an average d-line of 296. But Georgetown isn't looking to play Alabama anyway. Since 2001, Georgetown's record against scholarship programs is 10-21. Against full-scholarship teams, or those who claimed to be, it's 3-7--two of those wins were vs. Howard. Don't get me wrong--Georgetown stands to take some beatings this year with the PL now at full scholarship or substantially close to it. But excepting Richmond and Old Dominion, Georgetown wasn't stomped on by the other teams, any more or less than they have been by Harvard. My thoughts on smarter recruiting, like my thoughts on fact-finding committees, aren't institutionally popular. Georgetown can be non-scholarship and succeed, or it can maintain an artificial admissions index and succeed, but not both together if it is to compete in the Patriot League. Conversely, if Georgetown's place in the football world is to be little more than schedule filler for the Ivy League and be noncompetitive for the last six weeks every season, then it's full steam ahead. The last time we played Richmond, the game was so bad that the coaches skipped watching film with the boys and only had them do a light jog for practice in order to have more time to recover. Why would we play Villanova, besides to fulfill some odd fantasy of football legitimacy? Would you suggest we also play UVA? Temple?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 8, 2016 8:41:32 GMT -5
The last time we played Richmond, the game was so bad that the coaches skipped watching film with the boys and only had them do a light jog for practice in order to have more time to recover. Why would we play Villanova, besides to fulfill some odd fantasy of football legitimacy? Would you suggest we also play UVA? Temple? I don't know why you keep bringing up Richmond. I was referencing Villanova, Georgetown's closest peer school in this current era of athletics. But whom would you like to schedule? If comparably sized schools are too dangerous, should we revert to scheduling Catholic and Gallaudet?
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Post by puppydog100 on Sept 8, 2016 12:36:01 GMT -5
Villanova would never consider scheduling a game against the Hoyas, next topic please.
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