hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 21, 2016 9:34:12 GMT -5
Too many times last year, I felt DSR was unable to get off a shot, or at least a good shot. Really, everytime I pointed out the flaws of DSR you disagreed. Now you are coming clean? As per usual, you get it wrong again. I disagreed when you said we needed to move on from DSR during his senior year, severely cut his minutes. We were bad, but we truly would have had no shot. That thought was just dumb, IMO.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 21, 2016 11:06:14 GMT -5
particularly to the 3 pt range, when he elevates for his shot he often flattens the shot and eliminates his arc. These type of "line drive" balls leave him no margin for error if the shot is off a little. I have noticed his "flat" 3 pt shooting too. Seems like it should be easy to fix, with effective coaching and a player willing to listen. And yet it continues.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 21, 2016 11:48:09 GMT -5
Cope had a number of things to work on last year, including his handle, defensive positioning, rebounding - as well as his shot. I also truly believe that he was not ready last year for the expectation and burden of being one of our top 2 guys, coupled with his personality that led him to defer to DSR and not be assertive enough. So I hope with the extra year to prepare mentally, with DSR gone, and with so many other guys available to contribute, Ike can play looser and showcase his skills.
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Post by eagle54 on Jul 21, 2016 19:30:43 GMT -5
Really, everytime I pointed out the flaws of DSR you disagreed. Now you are coming clean? As per usual, you get it wrong again. I disagreed when you said we needed to move on from DSR during his senior year, severely cut his minutes. We were bad, but we truly would have had no shot. That thought was just dumb, IMO. We'd be in a better spot now though.
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Just Cos
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Post by Just Cos on Jul 21, 2016 23:00:17 GMT -5
Why can't this be Pryor's team? I really try to keep expectations in check with new players but we're not talking about a freshman.
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Post by SaxaCD on Jul 21, 2016 23:05:12 GMT -5
Why can't this be Pryor's team? I really try to keep expectations in check with new players but we're not talking about a freshman. I think one of our team's problems lately is that others have deferred to a guy (Otto, DSR) as if it were "xxx's team". I'm really hoping this year we have lots of substitutions and no one "go to" guy, no one guy who absolutely has to be out there for 35+ minutes a game, but instead more of a team with lots of weapons who are unafraid to step up and take the big shot, backed by other guys who trust more than one guy on the floor to get it done. I think that's the way the team breaks through this year.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 22, 2016 7:25:22 GMT -5
Right on. With (hopefully) 3-5 guys coming in and out every 2 minutes or so, it should be everyone's team.
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Post by smokeyjack on Jul 22, 2016 7:27:16 GMT -5
Why can't this be Pryor's team? I really try to keep expectations in check with new players but we're not talking about a freshman. Show me a team without an Alpha, and nine times out of 10, I'll show you a team that didn't maximize it's potential. Last year's Villanova team was the exception, not the rule. IMO, last year was on coaches and DSR. It was his team, and he couldn't handle it. And don't give me the line about it not being his personality; if you're the man, you want to be acknowledged as the man. If you're not (which he wasn't), then we bet on the wrong horse from day 1. But the second you see that chemistry not working (and it was evident very early it wasn't working), the coaches needed to step in and help that team find itself. It seemed like they did the exact opposite, adopted tough-love sink-or-swim approach, and we sank like a stone. Just an abominable performance across the board last season from players and coaches. And that happens, even to very good coaches once in a while. What disappointed me most was that JT3 didn't come out immediately after the season and scream mea culpa. I think a real winner would have come out after that season and said, "I apologize to all of our fans. That was on me. We were awful last season, and I take full responsibility. I promise you that next season is going to be very different." Few coaches ever say things like that, and I really don't understand why, because I believe it would buy them way more credibility, not undermine some nonexistent veneer of infallibility. The genius ship left port Steph Curry's junior year at Davidson, and it's been drifting further away with each successive postseason implosion. A little angst and desperate honesty would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by sleepy on Jul 22, 2016 12:04:38 GMT -5
Mea culpas have never resulted in a single victory and seldom have they ever saved someones job. Fans may feel better if a coach or GM recognize and admit to what those in the peanut gallery have been complaining about during a down period. It appears that III may have begun to recognize these issues and some of the steps taken over the last 3 to 4 months may result in positive changes with an actual result, not the feel better type result that a mea culpa would leave you with.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 22, 2016 14:18:26 GMT -5
As per usual, you get it wrong again. I disagreed when you said we needed to move on from DSR during his senior year, severely cut his minutes. We were bad, but we truly would have had no shot. That thought was just dumb, IMO. We'd be in a better spot now though. Not sure we would be in a better spot - but with the end result last season we certainly would not have been any worse off
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 22, 2016 19:25:18 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Jul 22, 2016 19:49:25 GMT -5
Right on. With (hopefully) 3-5 guys coming in and out every 2 minutes or so, it should be everyone's team. No, no, no. This isn't hockey.
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Jul 22, 2016 22:24:30 GMT -5
Show me a team without an Alpha, and nine times out of 10, I'll show you a team that didn't maximize it's potential. Last year's Villanova team was the exception, not the rule. IMO, last year was on coaches and DSR. It was his team, and he couldn't handle it. And don't give me the line about it not being his personality; if you're the man, you want to be acknowledged as the man. If you're not (which he wasn't), then we bet on the wrong horse from day 1. But the second you see that chemistry not working (and it was evident very early it wasn't working), the coaches needed to step in and help that team find itself. It seemed like they did the exact opposite, adopted tough-love sink-or-swim approach, and we sank like a stone. Just an abominable performance across the board last season from players and coaches. And that happens, even to very good coaches once in a while. What disappointed me most was that JT3 didn't come out immediately after the season and scream mea culpa. I think a real winner would have come out after that season and said, "I apologize to all of our fans. That was on me. We were awful last season, and I take full responsibility. I promise you that next season is going to be very different." Few coaches ever say things like that, and I really don't understand why, because I believe it would buy them way more credibility, not undermine some nonexistent veneer of infallibility. The genius ship left port Steph Curry's junior year at Davidson, and it's been drifting further away with each successive postseason implosion. A little angst and desperate honesty would be greatly appreciated. I think when you have a clear alpha, you ride it. But I don't see this year's team as thriving with that. I think this team WILL need "alpha" dogs in terms of leadership on the court and taking big shots, but I don't think it has to be as exaggerated as it has been over the past few years. I guess it's a matter of degree. Last year we had a weird situation and I'm not sure it was really chemistry -- we had a lot of guys deferring to DSR on court, but DSR trying to get his teammates involved early at the same time, which ended up meaning that often we'd be in a big hole early. I have no problems with a player or two stepping up and showing they can be "the man" in big situations, it's that the other players have to stop being so deferential to "the guy this year" and just go out and prove THEY can be "the guy" now or at some other point as well. I don't blame DSR at all for what happened -- I blame the guys who became spectators waiting for him to do something. If we don't have one clear "man" this year, I think it will help balance things a lot more, even if someone like Peak shows they are clearly the best guy on the court.
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 22, 2016 23:25:05 GMT -5
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 23, 2016 12:24:51 GMT -5
From last Saturday! Forgot to post it.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 23, 2016 12:52:51 GMT -5
Updates on action from last night (July 22)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 12:57:37 GMT -5
From GW site:
Roland started off well but struggled for the remainder of the game. Got beat defensively by GU juco transfer Mulmore and didn't run the point too well. He can consistently get open looks for his 10-12 ft pull up jumper/floaters but they weren't falling today. He was aggressive and was looking for his shot. Definately in contention still for the 2 guard spot for GW, despite his down output.
Smith got dominated by GU's Bradley Hayes. Smith does have some length and athleticism but isn't strong enough for down low and lacks the guard skills to play on the wing right now. Developmental player. ____
As for Colin Smith, he played by far the least of the 3 GWers that game. I like his game, but he looked like a high school kid playing against college players. Those baby hooks and power moves that I suspect he feasted on while playing against high schoolers were not dropping against the older players, and he was eaten up by Bradley Hayes on defense. Once he adjusts to the college game, I think he will be fine,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 16:22:39 GMT -5
Pryor with 41 today ....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 16:38:59 GMT -5
Official Kenner Page had him at 34
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Kenner coverage this year has been a pleasant surprise...
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Post by wnyhoya on Jul 23, 2016 17:24:45 GMT -5
Is Pryor going to be our best player? Gotta be him or LJ but he's making a strong case this summer albeit it's Kenner. However, everyone that has watched him play says this kid can go and just gets it done. Couldn't be more excited for the season after last year's utter disappointment. We could be one of, if not, the most improved team in the country
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