hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Aug 17, 2016 11:25:09 GMT -5
I hope that the team plays with an increased tempo, but still maintains the principles of a disciplined offense in the halfcourt. The main thing I want to see is increased defensive pressure and frantic substitutions. Fingers crossed. Yes. Maybe not frantic substitutions, but lots of pressure from fresh players. Aggressively push it, look to shoot early in the clock, but run our stuff when we settle into the half court.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Aug 17, 2016 11:43:09 GMT -5
If so, why was his scholarship renewed for a fifth year? I think he'll be much more active in the lineup than some seem to think, much more of an Ed Spriggs than a Ben Gillery (for some of our veteran readers). Thanks DFW! Young fans may not remember big man Spriggs at all. Not-quite-as-young fans may remember Ed Spriggs from his long tenure as a GU assistant coach. Prior to that, he was one of the most unusual -- and oldest -- recruits ever signed by GU or probably anyone else. JT "recruited" him from the DC playgrounds. Long before the days of Karl Malone, Spriggs was the original " Mailman". He was actually working for the Post Office at the time. He may also have spent some time in the Army? Had never attended college so he still had 4 years of eligibility. Anyway, he was a valuable member of our 1980 Elite Eight team with seniors Shelton and Duren, and sophomore Sleepy Floyd - best backcourt ever fielded by GU. Spriggs was about 6'9 I believe, and a man... literally. He was about 24 as a freshman, and his build reflected his maturity. He was pretty effective - Boards, points and D. Not an elite athlete, but an experienced big who knew how to use his elbows, his body and play a very effective inside game - on O and D. Perhaps his most valuable and memorable contributions were in his senior year when he mentored and backed-up freshman phenom Patrick Ewing. As a frosh, Ewing was skinny and Hyper-athletic. Older opponents would sometimes take advantage of his youth, inexperience, enthusiasm and high school body. But The Mailman really was a man.... about 27 or 28 as a senior. When JT wanted to give Pat a breather, or sit him due to foul problems, Spriggs would come in and "deliver" a much different set of abilities and challenges... tough, strong, smart, experienced from the streets and playgrounds of DC playing against some serious street dudes, and - by his senior year, seeped in the intricacies of College Ball as well. He had Patrick's back. That was quite an impressive center duo, with Patrick carrying by far the bulk of the load, but Ed contributing in significant ways in limited minutes. Good guy. Valuable team-oriented Hoya Big. Thanks for the reminder DFW.
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 17, 2016 12:47:48 GMT -5
If so, why was his scholarship renewed for a fifth year? I think he'll be much more active in the lineup than some seem to think, much more of an Ed Spriggs than a Ben Gillery (for some of our veteran readers). Thanks DFW! Young fans may not remember big man Spriggs at all. Not-quite-as-young fans may remember Ed Spriggs from his long tenure as a GU assistant coach. Prior to that, he was one of the most unusual -- and oldest -- recruits ever signed by GU or probably anyone else. JT "recruited" him from the DC playgrounds. Long before the days of Karl Malone, Spriggs was the original " Mailman". He was actually working for the Post Office at the time. He may also have spent some time in the Army? Spriggs was one of my favorites. He lit up Syracuse off the bench his senior year, 14 & 7 (I had to look it up). He had no Army time. I think you may be thinking of Ronnie Highsmith, another of one of my favorites, who also did a job on Syracuse. Good read in the NY Times about the "likeable" 1987 team with Highsmith featured: All conversation ceases. Players pull on their suit jackets and knot their ties. Ronnie Highsmith, the selfless four-year Army veteran, the epitome of a Georgetown player, says softly and politely, ''Time to go.'' Highsmith joined the Army out of high school in Robersonville, N.C., partially to help support his family, and had not given any thought to going to college. He was a good service basketball player, winding up at Fort Lee, Va., near the end of his four-year hitch. www.nytimes.com/1987/03/09/sports/sports-of-the-times-a-team-of-good-soldiers.html
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Aug 17, 2016 13:09:24 GMT -5
If so, why was his scholarship renewed for a fifth year? I think he'll be much more active in the lineup than some seem to think, much more of an Ed Spriggs than a Ben Gillery (for some of our veteran readers). Thanks DFW! Young fans may not remember big man Spriggs at all. Not-quite-as-young fans may remember Ed Spriggs from his long tenure as a GU assistant coach. Prior to that, he was one of the most unusual -- and oldest -- recruits ever signed by GU or probably anyone else. JT "recruited" him from the DC playgrounds. Long before the days of Karl Malone, Spriggs was the original " Mailman". He was actually working for the Post Office at the time. He may also have spent some time in the Army? Had never attended college so he still had 4 years of eligibility. Anyway, he was a valuable member of our 1980 Elite Eight team with seniors Shelton and Duren, and sophomore Sleepy Floyd - best backcourt ever fielded by GU. Spriggs was about 6'9 I believe, and a man... literally. He was about 24 as a freshman, and his build reflected his maturity. He was pretty effective - Boards, points and D. Not an elite athlete, but an experienced big who knew how to use his elbows, his body and play a very effective inside game - on O and D. Perhaps his most valuable and memorable contributions were in his senior year when he mentored and backed-up freshman phenom Patrick Ewing. As a frosh, Ewing was skinny and Hyper-athletic. Older opponents would sometimes take advantage of his youth, inexperience, enthusiasm and high school body. But The Mailman really was a man.... about 27 or 28 as a senior. When JT wanted to give Pat a breather, or sit him due to foul problems, Spriggs would come in and "deliver" a much different set of abilities and challenges... tough, strong, smart, experienced from the streets and playgrounds of DC playing against some serious street dudes, and - by his senior year, seeped in the intricacies of College Ball as well. He had Patrick's back. That was quite an impressive center duo, with Patrick carrying by far the bulk of the load, but Ed contributing in significant ways in limited minutes. Good guy. Valuable team-oriented Hoya Big. Thanks for the reminder DFW. Yep, I remember the Mailman well. Loved that tough, physical, take no prisoners game of his when we had to sit Patrick.
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Post by wnyhoya on Aug 17, 2016 20:12:30 GMT -5
The guy I think will get squeezed out of minutes if Agau recovers is Hayes. We are going to play Govan - he is too talented, and will only get better with experience. Plus he is a good enough athlete to be the post player in a high tempo offense. Hayes is just too limited athletically, and if we really want to be a running team, we would have to play a healthy Agau ahead of Hayes. If so, why was his scholarship renewed for a fifth year? I think he'll be much more active in the lineup than some seem to think, much more of an Ed Spriggs than a Ben Gillery (for some of our veteran readers). I agree DFW. As much as I would like to see Hayes play less giving way to Govan and Derrickson at the five, people have to realize he's going to play and play a good amount. III really respects him and looks at him as one of the leaders of this team. He's shown in the past that he rolls with these type of guys and I don't expect this year to be different
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Post by s4hoyas on Aug 17, 2016 21:32:09 GMT -5
Thanks DFW! Young fans may not remember big man Spriggs at all. Not-quite-as-young fans may remember Ed Spriggs from his long tenure as a GU assistant coach. Prior to that, he was one of the most unusual -- and oldest -- recruits ever signed by GU or probably anyone else. JT "recruited" him from the DC playgrounds. Long before the days of Karl Malone, Spriggs was the original " Mailman". He was actually working for the Post Office at the time. He may also have spent some time in the Army? Had never attended college so he still had 4 years of eligibility. Anyway, he was a valuable member of our 1980 Elite Eight team with seniors Shelton and Duren, and sophomore Sleepy Floyd - best backcourt ever fielded by GU. Spriggs was about 6'9 I believe, and a man... literally. He was about 24 as a freshman, and his build reflected his maturity. He was pretty effective - Boards, points and D. Not an elite athlete, but an experienced big who knew how to use his elbows, his body and play a very effective inside game - on O and D. Perhaps his most valuable and memorable contributions were in his senior year when he mentored and backed-up freshman phenom Patrick Ewing. As a frosh, Ewing was skinny and Hyper-athletic. Older opponents would sometimes take advantage of his youth, inexperience, enthusiasm and high school body. But The Mailman really was a man.... about 27 or 28 as a senior. When JT wanted to give Pat a breather, or sit him due to foul problems, Spriggs would come in and "deliver" a much different set of abilities and challenges... tough, strong, smart, experienced from the streets and playgrounds of DC playing against some serious street dudes, and - by his senior year, seeped in the intricacies of College Ball as well. He had Patrick's back. That was quite an impressive center duo, with Patrick carrying by far the bulk of the load, but Ed contributing in significant ways in limited minutes. Good guy. Valuable team-oriented Hoya Big. Thanks for the reminder DFW. Yep, I remember the Mailman well. Loved that tough, physical, take no prisoners game of his when we had to sit Patrick.
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s4hoyas
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Post by s4hoyas on Aug 17, 2016 21:33:39 GMT -5
Ed...EEE, Ed...EEE, Ed...EEE...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 17, 2016 22:35:49 GMT -5
If so, why was his scholarship renewed for a fifth year? I think he'll be much more active in the lineup than some seem to think, much more of an Ed Spriggs than a Ben Gillery (for some of our veteran readers). I agree DFW. As much as I would like to see Hayes play less giving way to Govan and Derrickson at the five, people have to realize he's going to play and play a good amount. III really respects him and looks at him as one of the leaders of this team. He's shown in the past that he rolls with these type of guys and I don't expect this year to be different The important thing to recall is that both Hayes and Govan fouled so much that both of them had trouble staying on the floor for sustained minutes on that basis alone. If they don't clean up the fouling, neither will play big minutes.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 17, 2016 22:50:00 GMT -5
I agree DFW. As much as I would like to see Hayes play less giving way to Govan and Derrickson at the five, people have to realize he's going to play and play a good amount. III really respects him and looks at him as one of the leaders of this team. He's shown in the past that he rolls with these type of guys and I don't expect this year to be different The important thing to recall is that both Hayes and Govan fouled so much that both of them had trouble staying on the floor for sustained minutes on that basis alone. If they don't clean up the fouling, neither will play big minutes. You have to add MD in there too then he fouled at the same rate Hayes did last year..
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Post by bicentennial on Aug 17, 2016 23:02:08 GMT -5
Ok,
So it appears we should have up to 25 fouls to give from the Center position assuming no one fouls while playing power forward. Do we have a 6'5" walk on to play the Caprio Center role for the remaining 5 minutes per game at the center position or is that why we have Gheorge as a Walkon?
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Post by bicentennial on Aug 17, 2016 23:07:08 GMT -5
I remember a game during the Ewing Years when he goaltended 2 of the first 3 shots taken by the opposing team and blocked the other shot. Perhaps this is a new generations opportunity to exhibit fierce interior defense by just fouling the HE!! out of any guard who turns the corner and tries to make one of our Hoya guards look bad. The key would be making sure they have no chance of actually making the shot so we are not faced with the and one.
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 18, 2016 0:13:41 GMT -5
One thing that is apparent is that Copeland may very well be squeezed for minutes. Unless he steps up and takes his game to the next level, his minutes will likely be compromised.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 18, 2016 8:46:28 GMT -5
One thing that is apparent is that Copeland may very well be squeezed for minutes. Unless he steps up and takes his game to the next level, his minutes will likely be compromised. Yes, he needs to perform on both ends of the court. He played last year more out of necessity than anything else (he was also one of the few players we had who didn't foul a lot). This year, especially if JT3 is willing to go with smaller lineups, there's more competition for those minutes.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 18, 2016 11:24:56 GMT -5
One thing that is apparent is that Copeland may very well be squeezed for minutes. Unless he steps up and takes his game to the next level, his minutes will likely be compromised. Yes, he needs to perform on both ends of the court. He played last year more out of necessity than anything else (he was also one of the few players we had who didn't foul a lot). This year, especially if JT3 is willing to go with smaller lineups, there's more competition for those minutes. Agreed. There wasn't the depth/personnel available to pull him as there will be this year if Isaac settles for 3's and decides not to get after it on defense and the boards.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 18, 2016 11:28:47 GMT -5
I guess more minutes at the 3 and 4 are available now.
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Post by HometownHoya on Aug 18, 2016 17:19:37 GMT -5
One thing that is apparent is that Copeland may very well be squeezed for minutes. Unless he steps up and takes his game to the next level, his minutes will likely be compromised. Looks like Cope got a new lease on minutes. I still hope he steps up and takes his game to the next level, if not he should not be surpassing his minutes from last year, even with the loss of PW.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 19, 2016 14:55:27 GMT -5
I guess more minutes at the 3 and 4 are available now. True but if White wasn't going to be healthy this might have little impact. I think the bigger impact isn't this season but future ones.
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Post by trillesthoya on Aug 20, 2016 9:00:22 GMT -5
I guess more minutes at the 3 and 4 are available now. True but if White wasn't going to be healthy this might have little impact. I think the bigger impact isn't this season but future ones. Yeah, quite a few people didn't even have Paul cracking the rotation this year due to his injury. I didn't necessarily agree with that but this doesn't really change anything for us this year. The question now is what happens for 2017-2018 and onwards. We're looking at the definite departure of three guys (Hayes, Cameron, Pryor) and the possible departure of Peak, Copeland, Govan, or Derrickson. This seems to suggest that we'll have anywhere from 3-5 scholarships available next year, and even more the year after that with very few legitimate options left in the recruiting class of 2017. We could be looking at a St. Johnsesque rebuild, though that's absolute worst case scenario of course.
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 22, 2016 19:56:00 GMT -5
I remember a game during the Ewing Years when he goaltended 2 of the first 3 shots taken by the opposing team and blocked the other shot. Perhaps this is a new generations opportunity to exhibit fierce interior defense by just fouling the HE!! out of any guard who turns the corner and tries to make one of our Hoya guards look bad. The key would be making sure they have no chance of actually making the shot so we are not faced with the and one. Methinks you are recalling the NCAA Championship game.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 22, 2016 22:58:56 GMT -5
Actually the first FOUR baskets for UNC were all on goaltends by Patrick, as well as a fifth later in the half. Sent a powerful message that came oh so close to bringing us the title.
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