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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 16, 2016 11:11:48 GMT -5
This issue must be front and center on the main Hoyatalk board. Yes, times were different, social mores.... But these were Catholic, Jesuit Priests who did the selling of human beings. 272 human beings. GU has to recognize, acknowledge and take full responsibility. The new Center for Racial Justice is an excellent step. www.georgetown.edu/JJD-racial-injustice-speechIt is enough? From today's NY Times ExcerptWASHINGTON — The human cargo was loaded on ships at a bustling wharf in the nation’s capital, destined for the plantations of the Deep South. Some slaves pleaded for rosaries as they were rounded up, praying for deliverance.
But on this day, in the fall of 1838, no one was spared: not the 2-month-old baby and her mother, not the field hands, not the shoemaker and not Cornelius Hawkins, who was about 13 years old when he was forced onboard.
Their panic and desperation would be mostly forgotten for more than a century. But this was no ordinary slave sale. The enslaved African-Americans had belonged to the nation’s most prominent Jesuit priests. And they were sold, along with scores of others, to help secure the future of the premier Catholic institution of higher learning at the time, known today as Georgetown University.....
“The university itself owes its existence to this history,” said Adam Rothman, a historian at Georgetown and a member of a university working group that is studying ways for the institution to acknowledge and try to make amends for its tangled roots in slavery.
Although the working group was established in August, it was student demonstrations at Georgetown in the fall that helped to galvanize alumni and gave new urgency to the administration’s efforts. -- GOOD for the Students! www.nytimes.com/2016/04/17/us/georgetown-university-search-for-slave-descendants.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0 |
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 16, 2016 11:51:46 GMT -5
We must let our future be defined by our past. That's all I am going to say about that!
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 16, 2016 11:57:19 GMT -5
All in the name of God....
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Post by kchoya on Apr 16, 2016 12:53:53 GMT -5
This issue must be front and center on the main Hoyatalk board. Yes, times were different, social mores.... But these were Catholic, Jesuit Priests who did the selling of human beings. 272 human beings. GU has to recognize, acknowledge and take full responsibility. The new Center for Racial Justice is an excellent step. www.georgetown.edu/JJD-racial-injustice-speechIt is enough? From today's NY Times ExcerptWASHINGTON — The human cargo was loaded on ships at a bustling wharf in the nation’s capital, destined for the plantations of the Deep South. Some slaves pleaded for rosaries as they were rounded up, praying for deliverance.
But on this day, in the fall of 1838, no one was spared: not the 2-month-old baby and her mother, not the field hands, not the shoemaker and not Cornelius Hawkins, who was about 13 years old when he was forced onboard.
Their panic and desperation would be mostly forgotten for more than a century. But this was no ordinary slave sale. The enslaved African-Americans had belonged to the nation’s most prominent Jesuit priests. And they were sold, along with scores of others, to help secure the future of the premier Catholic institution of higher learning at the time, known today as Georgetown University.....
“The university itself owes its existence to this history,” said Adam Rothman, a historian at Georgetown and a member of a university working group that is studying ways for the institution to acknowledge and try to make amends for its tangled roots in slavery.
Although the working group was established in August, it was student demonstrations at Georgetown in the fall that helped to galvanize alumni and gave new urgency to the administration’s efforts. -- GOOD for the Students! www.nytimes.com/2016/04/17/us/georgetown-university-search-for-slave-descendants.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0You realize there's a long thread over on the 37th & O board on this topic? Here's a link in case you have trouble using your mouse: Click here SirSaxa |
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 16, 2016 21:51:38 GMT -5
This issue must be front and center on the main Hoyatalk board. Yes, times were different, social mores.... But these were Catholic, Jesuit Priests who did the selling of human beings. 272 human beings. GU has to recognize, acknowledge and take full responsibility. The new Center for Racial Justice is an excellent step. www.georgetown.edu/JJD-racial-injustice-speechIt is enough? From today's NY Times ExcerptWASHINGTON — The human cargo was loaded on ships at a bustling wharf in the nation’s capital, destined for the plantations of the Deep South. Some slaves pleaded for rosaries as they were rounded up, praying for deliverance.
But on this day, in the fall of 1838, no one was spared: not the 2-month-old baby and her mother, not the field hands, not the shoemaker and not Cornelius Hawkins, who was about 13 years old when he was forced onboard.
Their panic and desperation would be mostly forgotten for more than a century. But this was no ordinary slave sale. The enslaved African-Americans had belonged to the nation’s most prominent Jesuit priests. And they were sold, along with scores of others, to help secure the future of the premier Catholic institution of higher learning at the time, known today as Georgetown University.....
“The university itself owes its existence to this history,” said Adam Rothman, a historian at Georgetown and a member of a university working group that is studying ways for the institution to acknowledge and try to make amends for its tangled roots in slavery.
Although the working group was established in August, it was student demonstrations at Georgetown in the fall that helped to galvanize alumni and gave new urgency to the administration’s efforts. -- GOOD for the Students! www.nytimes.com/2016/04/17/us/georgetown-university-search-for-slave-descendants.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0You realize there's a long thread over on the 37th & O board on this topic? Here's a link in case you have trouble using your mouse: Click here SirSaxaI think I agree with KC on this one and that's not usual for me. Seems like a much deeper issue for the Catholic Church, Jesuit community and University administration to consider and not a basketball thread. |
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Post by HoyaChris on Apr 17, 2016 1:21:12 GMT -5
This issue must be front and center on the main Hoyatalk board. Yes, times were different, social mores.... But these were Catholic, Jesuit Priests who did the selling of human beings. 272 human beings. GU has to recognize, acknowledge and take full responsibility. The new Center for Racial Justice is an excellent step. www.georgetown.edu/JJD-racial-injustice-speechIt is enough? From today's NY Times ExcerptWASHINGTON — The human cargo was loaded on ships at a bustling wharf in the nation’s capital, destined for the plantations of the Deep South. Some slaves pleaded for rosaries as they were rounded up, praying for deliverance.
But on this day, in the fall of 1838, no one was spared: not the 2-month-old baby and her mother, not the field hands, not the shoemaker and not Cornelius Hawkins, who was about 13 years old when he was forced onboard.
Their panic and desperation would be mostly forgotten for more than a century. But this was no ordinary slave sale. The enslaved African-Americans had belonged to the nation’s most prominent Jesuit priests. And they were sold, along with scores of others, to help secure the future of the premier Catholic institution of higher learning at the time, known today as Georgetown University.....
“The university itself owes its existence to this history,” said Adam Rothman, a historian at Georgetown and a member of a university working group that is studying ways for the institution to acknowledge and try to make amends for its tangled roots in slavery.
Although the working group was established in August, it was student demonstrations at Georgetown in the fall that helped to galvanize alumni and gave new urgency to the administration’s efforts. -- GOOD for the Students! www.nytimes.com/2016/04/17/us/georgetown-university-search-for-slave-descendants.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0You realize there's a long thread over on the 37th & O board on this topic? Here's a link in case you have trouble using your mouse: Click here SirSaxaI don't normally visit the 37th and O board and was unaware of this information. Thanks Sir Saxa. |
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 17, 2016 7:25:41 GMT -5
The language regarding this discussion being elsewhere is...interesting.
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 17, 2016 9:41:10 GMT -5
The implications of this news could be far reaching and it's conceivable that it would have some sort of impact on athletics and our basketball program in particular. I think it's fine having a thread here as it relates to basketball and our players. I know this news is hard for me to digest, must be that much harder for the team to wrap their arms around.
The university still doesn't know exactly how they will come out from this...
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Apr 17, 2016 11:22:45 GMT -5
I have a bit of an insider's view of this. It is obvious that the university is only taking the first steps towards a long overdue reconciliation process. I believe that the faculty -- and at the very least Jack DeGoia -- knows that this will be a long process. It SHOULD be a transformative one as well that engages the entire Georgetown community, descendants of those enslaved and sold from the plantations (even beyond those sold by Mulledy), and the residents of Washington. I add that last group because the city has not dealt with its own legacy, and Georgetown is in a unique position to educate and press for a broad reconciliation.
First though, it must deal with the raw feelings that this history will create as it becomes better known. And, yes, it is unclear how this will unfold.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 17, 2016 11:30:30 GMT -5
The language regarding this discussion being elsewhere is...interesting. Why don't you say what you really feel instead of being so cryptic? |
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 17, 2016 13:55:28 GMT -5
The language regarding this discussion being elsewhere is...interesting. Why don't you say what you really feel instead of being so cryptic? why don't you say what YOU really feel and not make assumptions about OTHER peoples comments. |
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 17, 2016 14:14:07 GMT -5
I have a bit of an insider's view of this. It is obvious that the university is only taking the first steps towards a long overdue reconciliation process. I believe that the faculty -- and at the very least Jack DeGoia -- knows that this will be a long process. It SHOULD be a transformative one as well that engages the entire Georgetown community, descendants of those enslaved and sold from the plantations (even beyond those sold by Mulledy), and the residents of Washington. I add that last group because the city has not dealt with its own legacy, and Georgetown is in a unique position to educate and press for a broad reconciliation. First though, it must deal with the raw feelings that this history will create as it becomes better known. And, yes, it is unclear how this will unfold. You can expand that beyond the city of Washington to include the entire United States of America. There are very, very few American institutions - and certainly none that date their history to 1865 or before - that were not impacted by slavery in some way. You can find the Peculiar Institution's fingerprints on just about everything, much as with certain other defining institutions (Christianity, Manifest Destiny, anti-monarchialism and other democratic concepts, etc.). Georgetown is in a prime position to lead this process of examination and reckoning in a nuanced, productive, and fair-minded way. That is a good thing, and we should be encouraged that the University is once again in a position of leadership within the American academy on a topic of great importance. |
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Post by kchoya on Apr 17, 2016 15:59:14 GMT -5
Why don't you say what you really feel instead of being so cryptic? why don't you say what YOU really feel and not make assumptions about OTHER peoples comments. I'm not the one being coy, you are. Are you that dumb? |
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Post by WhatRocks on Apr 17, 2016 18:21:15 GMT -5
I have a bit of an insider's view of this. It is obvious that the university is only taking the first steps towards a long overdue reconciliation process. I believe that the faculty -- and at the very least Jack DeGoia -- knows that this will be a long process. It SHOULD be a transformative one as well that engages the entire Georgetown community, descendants of those enslaved and sold from the plantations (even beyond those sold by Mulledy), and the residents of Washington. I add that last group because the city has not dealt with its own legacy, and Georgetown is in a unique position to educate and press for a broad reconciliation. First though, it must deal with the raw feelings that this history will create as it becomes better known. And, yes, it is unclear how this will unfold. You can expand that beyond the city of Washington to include the entire United States of America. There are very, very few American institutions - and certainly none that date their history to 1865 or before - that were not impacted by slavery in some way. You can find the Peculiar Institution's fingerprints on just about everything, much as with certain other defining institutions (Christianity, Manifest Destiny, anti-monarchialism and other democratic concepts, etc.). Georgetown is in a prime position to lead this process of examination and reckoning in a nuanced, productive, and fair-minded way. That is a good thing, and we should be encouraged that the University is once again in a position of leadership within the American academy on a topic of great importance. Slavery was never confined to the US. Slavery was practiced for many hundreds of years before white men ever set foot on this continent, and it was practiced by people of all races and multiple religions on 6 continents. The very word "slavery" exists because so many Slavic citizens were captured and sold into slavery in Africa. Approximately 94% of West Africans sold into slavery were sent to countries other than the US. Yes, Catholicism tolerated slavery. GU was peripherally impacted by slavery. We should regret this legacy, but we should realize that neither this university nor this country were uniquely guilty. |
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 17, 2016 19:02:03 GMT -5
why don't you say what YOU really feel and not make assumptions about OTHER peoples comments. I'm not the one being coy, you are. Are you that dumb? If you're trying to debate the issue, I haven't formulated an opinion on it. There's no "coy" there. You're reading way to much into somebody's else thoughts. Worry about your words, not someone else. Still have a problem with my post, come see me. |
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 17, 2016 21:48:20 GMT -5
You can expand that beyond the city of Washington to include the entire United States of America. There are very, very few American institutions - and certainly none that date their history to 1865 or before - that were not impacted by slavery in some way. You can find the Peculiar Institution's fingerprints on just about everything, much as with certain other defining institutions (Christianity, Manifest Destiny, anti-monarchialism and other democratic concepts, etc.). Georgetown is in a prime position to lead this process of examination and reckoning in a nuanced, productive, and fair-minded way. That is a good thing, and we should be encouraged that the University is once again in a position of leadership within the American academy on a topic of great importance. Slavery was never confined to the US. Slavery was practiced for many hundreds of years before white men ever set foot on this continent, and it was practiced by people of all races and multiple religions on 6 continents. The very word "slavery" exists because so many Slavic citizens were captured and sold into slavery in Africa. Approximately 94% of West Africans sold into slavery were sent to countries other than the US. Yes, Catholicism tolerated slavery. GU was peripherally impacted by slavery. We should regret this legacy, but we should realize that neither this university nor this country were uniquely guilty. Is anyone arguing that slavery was unique to the US, to whites, or to Christians? And being a Slav myself (note the username), I'm well aware of that particular history. The Catholic Church did far more than "tolerate" slavery - in Brazil and the French West Indians, in particular, Catholic (and often Jesuit) clergymen were prime instigators of slavery's expansion. Similarly, Georgetown was much more than "peripherally impacted by slavery" - it is entirely likely that the school would have petered out if not for the income provided by the Maryland Jesuit plantations and the ultimate sale of the slaves. For that matter, given the heavily Southern profile of Georgetown's pre-Civil War student body, it's quite likely that the school wouldn't have gotten very far to begin with. The point here is not mere "regret" - it is about understanding how the institution has shaped our present and continues to influence our future, agreeing on what are the right ways to commemorate both the impacts of the practice and the contributions of the enslaved, and arriving at a form of recompense that is adequate and appropriate in 2016 (when it is much too late for 40 acres and a mule). |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Apr 18, 2016 6:53:31 GMT -5
This issue must be front and center on the main Hoyatalk board. Yes, times were different, social mores.... But these were Catholic, Jesuit Priests who did the selling of human beings. 272 human beings. GU has to recognize, acknowledge and take full responsibility. The new Center for Racial Justice is an excellent step. www.georgetown.edu/JJD-racial-injustice-speechIt is enough? I like the moves being made right now! Of course, now it's not enough. Now way. It's almost like they thought this was a great move, and it wasn't. There were some opposed to what these priests did. From today's NY Times ExcerptWASHINGTON — The human cargo was loaded on ships at a bustling wharf in the nation’s capital, destined for the plantations of the Deep South. Some slaves pleaded for rosaries as they were rounded up, praying for deliverance.
But on this day, in the fall of 1838, no one was spared: not the 2-month-old baby and her mother, not the field hands, not the shoemaker and not Cornelius Hawkins, who was about 13 years old when he was forced onboard.
Their panic and desperation would be mostly forgotten for more than a century. But this was no ordinary slave sale. The enslaved African-Americans had belonged to the nation’s most prominent Jesuit priests. And they were sold, along with scores of others, to help secure the future of the premier Catholic institution of higher learning at the time, known today as Georgetown University.....
“The university itself owes its existence to this history,” said Adam Rothman, a historian at Georgetown and a member of a university working group that is studying ways for the institution to acknowledge and try to make amends for its tangled roots in slavery.
Although the working group was established in August, it was student demonstrations at Georgetown in the fall that helped to galvanize alumni and gave new urgency to the administration’s efforts. -- GOOD for the Students! www.nytimes.com/2016/04/17/us/georgetown-university-search-for-slave-descendants.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0 |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Apr 18, 2016 6:54:41 GMT -5
Students on our college campuses all around this country are changing America for the betterment of their own future families!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Apr 18, 2016 6:55:59 GMT -5
We must let our future be defined by our past. That's all I am going to say about that! Preach! |
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Apr 18, 2016 6:59:30 GMT -5
Sad to say, if it weren't for those slaves there'd be no Georgetown University and everything else! Then have the nerve to put their names on school buildings. EVIL!
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